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Adobe is run by complete morons. Forcing users to rent the software that runs files they've already created is dumber than anything Tim Cook has ever done, and that's saying a lot. Anyone who's smart will just pirate CC anyway, or keep using CS6.

I switched to the cloud with CS6. Being that I already had the Master Collection CS5, they gave me CS6 CC for $20/mo for a year. Compare that to the annual upgrade price of say $600/year or more and that $20/mo was a steal. Now the cloud is $50/mo and it's the same price that the annual upgrade would be. Roughly. They had specials, so sometimes it was closer to $400 or $500 if you timed it right.

So even for someone that owned the Master Collection and wanted to upgrade every year (if you upgraded every other year it was more like $900) it still is a break even, IF that. PLUS you don't own your software. And for those that just need a small portion of the Adobe suite. Say PS and Premiere. Or PS and DW, it's a complete rip-off.

They've basically crunched some numbers and said only the pros are seriously paying for this stuff. And they NEED it. We don't have much choice. But we could get away with upgrading every year or two. But no longer. They did the math and now all these pros are paying the rate of those that bought the whole collection and updated every year. So likely, many are practically forced to pay 4x as much as they would, and they still don't own the software, so they're stuck paying in perpetuity.

Find a way out. I'm looking.
 
I've long thought that the Library module in particular would work brilliantly on an iPad. I'd love the ability to tag, rate and organise my photos on the go with a touch-based interface.

OK, $99 annually for part of a product. No thanks.
 
This is where the rumored 13 inch "iPad Pro" comes in. If it's a killer screen that allows hardware calibration (which it should if it's really "pro", right?),

Personally I doubt it. If they release a larger iPad I wouldn't expect anything different to current models other than the size and battery size. The iPad would still be targeted towards a large customer base and honestly I don't think screen calibration offers much to people outside of the graphics design field.
 
They might have to limit the level of undo's and/or layers (and maybe max image resolution) to keep it working within a 1GB limit, but the Airs at least would be able to chew through most of what Lightroom has to offer without any problems.

Lightroom hardly needs a Mac Pro level machine to do its thing, and the A7 is a pretty speedy little processor. I think it could be a good fit for the iPad.

Anyone willing to pay $100 for a photo editing/managing program is not going to be happy with a 10" (or 13") touch screen and no options for a mouse/pen and even a keyboard for shortcuts.
 
Mind you, I'm not sure about this. I'm just throwing this out there. But, what if we DID pay for a year. Then, cancel... and wait two more years. Yeah, sure, we don't get ALL of the latest and greatest for that time... but, THEN, we renew for a year and update all they have to offer. Then, live with THAT for another two or three years before renewing again. I'm just saying... I can make sense in my head and pocketbook with, say $200 a year... but not their obnoxious $600+ a year. Just throwing out this 'pricing model' for those of us who've had enough of Adobe's pretentious pricing structures.

See that was the beauty of the old system. You could weigh up each release—the benefits of improved features, the cost of upgrading—and then decide whether to upgrade straight away or perhaps skip a version, taking into account your current financial situation. But with Creative Cloud, you're locked in to subscribing each and every year. If you cancel, it's back to an old version you go, and the file incompatibility issues we've been discussing. And the problem is only going to get worse the longer Adobe holds out with this subscription-only model.

If you ALWAYS upgraded under the old system, and plan to keep doing so for the rest of your professional life, then Creative Cloud will save you money (last time I checked). But for most of us, I agree with the commenter that said this move is about helping Adobe, not the customer. If Adobe really cared about its customers, it would make BOTH options available, and we could choose the one that suits us best. There's absolutely no technical reason why they couldn't do this, because (as another commenter pointed out), it's not actually software hosted in the cloud. It's just desktop software with a remote kill switch that gets triggered if we don't keep paying our regular subscription fees.

IMO, if we're not happy with being forced down this path, we should realise that we have the power to influence change simply by NOT going along with it. If no one had subscribed to Creative Cloud, guess what… Adobe would have been forced to give us other options. But if enough people go along with it (and perhaps they have), Adobe will keep digging its heels in, and the losers are all the customers who no longer have a choice.

My prediction is that viable alternatives for all Adobe's apps will come. In fact, alternatives to most of their apps are already out there, but InDesign remains a problem for me (I don't want to go back to Quark XPress) and of course, there's no one company that is offering such a comprehensive suite of programs as Adobe. But if Adobe thinks it will remain that way forever, then they clearly haven't learnt the lessons from their own history, where they came from behind to knock the arrogant Quark off its perch all those years ago.
 
People, use your brains instead of just your emotions.

1. Doesn't everyone realize that you can't sell iPad apps on third-party websites?

2. The $99 price is probably for a syncing service so you can access your library from anywhere. For someone who takes thousands of photos a month, that price doesn't seem unreasonable.

3. Desktop Lightroom will not be CC-only any time soon.
 
I've long thought that the Library module in particular would work brilliantly on an iPad. I'd love the ability to tag, rate and organise my photos on the go with a touch-based interface.

Exactly. It's ridiculous that you still can't even flag photos on an ipad for syncing back to aperture/iphoto. I'm not a Lightroom user, but I could switch if this allows for a seamless workflow process. $99 is too much on top of CC, though, especially when I only want it for functionality that Apple should have added with the first ipad.
 
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Great because what I really want is another obligation, not an asset ... those idiots.
 
Personally I doubt it. If they release a larger iPad I wouldn't expect anything different to current models other than the size and battery size. The iPad would still be targeted towards a large customer base and honestly I don't think screen calibration offers much to people outside of the graphics design field.
Yeah well that's kind of the point. First of all, people in the "graphics design field" are Apple's oldest and most loyal customers (who also buy big ticket items like Mac Pros and Cinema Displays). Secondly, a 13" iPad (especially if it is in fact called "Pro") makes a good case for uses that require or benefit from calibration. I don't see why they can't make this available. People who don't need calibration aren't going to be going out buying the needed calibrators, and they need never see or have access to the capability. You can calibrate any Mac (in both software and hardware), even though the vast majority of users never do. It costs Apple, and consumers, little to nothing to add access to calibration, they just need to open up the API.
 
Nice, mounting motives to....

consider buying another iToy: an iPad.

Would be market-shattering a slimmed-down version of the Adobe Suite?.....:eek:


:):apple:
 
Way over priced

I have to admit Adobe does make some pretty nice software. I appreciate the idea of being able to work with my RAW files on the iPad without having them on my tablet. But lets face it, no matter how good their stuff is, their software is way over priced. This is the main reason why many people are not going to move to this new business model or worst resort to pirating their software. (The move to Creative Cloud is claimed to be for upgrade and version support which is BS considering they have implemented a propriety file format which will lock you out of your files when you stop your subscription).

My advice to adobe, lower your pricing and maybe more people will buy into your cloud based solution.

As for me, I'm happy enough with my older versions and do not want my files floating around on the cloud where it can and will be hacked or be tied to a subscription based propriety file format. I'll be moving on to alternative options rather than do this.
 
People, use your brains instead of just your emotions.

1. Doesn't everyone realize that you can't sell iPad apps on third-party websites?

What's your point? Most iPad apps cost under $10. A Creative Cloud subscription over a year or two costs serious money—money towards an app you'll never own.

2. The $99 price is probably for a syncing service so you can access your library from anywhere. For someone who takes thousands of photos a month, that price doesn't seem unreasonable.

Probably? That's speculation. In any case, iCloud is free.

3. Desktop Lightroom will not be CC-only any time soon.

More speculation. Unless you're the Adobe CEO posting under a pseudonym I'm not sure how you could know this.
 
Simple, don't buy their products and service until this crap is over with.

I'm still using CS3 and CS6, it's more than good enough.

Soon my CS4 & CS5 will be worth lot of money for resale.:D

Old versions actually sell? They won't run on as much new hardware. It's also against their licensing agreement, as it's a non-transferable license. If they're going to break the rules either way, they might as well either buy their own copy or just pirate it rather than tell themselves it's fine because they bought the disks:p. I don't condone piracy, so don't take that from statement.

Edit: I was wrong, which happens although I did read their EULA some time ago, but it appears they have a transfer of license form here too.
 
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... In any case, iCloud is free.

Free. And limited!

Syncing ratings, flags, adjustments, collections and catalog info. across a mobile device and a desktop is radically different from syncing a "flattened" jpeg across devices. Night and day.

iCloud "syncing" may be adequate for casual users with very basic needs. It's not, however, on par with the type syncing this LR app could provide. I don't need to "speculate" to know that.

PhotoSmith already has a Lightroom-iPad-Desktop syncing app. If "Mobile Lightroom" isn't more powerful than that—what's the point? Regardless, iCloud ≠ LR Mobile.
 
I think that might be a software issue, and one only concerning the 64-bit revs of Safari. Unless I'm hitting up pages with a ton of Youtube videos posted on them, or ones that use a lot of heavy Javascript, I can easily keep 5-6 tabs open without Safari constantly reloading them on my iPad 3.

Though unlike SOME people here (you know who you are :mad:), I'm not gonna use this as some lame justification as to why the iPads only need 1GB of ram. More ram always equals gooder, and the Air should've come with 2GB standard.

The Air should have come with 2GB of RAM. It would cost Apple an extra $5. Of course to some, they'd rather Apple have the money instead of a better product for themselves. I'll never understand people trying to make excuses for things like this. And I do hope it is a software issue with the Air. It is really disappointing to have the reloading with a few tabs open.
 
Seems a bit odd.

1) iPad screens are good but no where near where they need to be for accurate color and lighting correction. So I can't see a pro ponying up $99 a year for something that doesn't really add value to workflow.

The iPad Air has 100% color gamut.

Besides, we all view images primarily on digital devices these days. The old school era of precisely calibrated color is largely irrelevant. Each screen and manufacturer has its own color skew and capabilities that make "accurate color" a misnomer.

Unless you're making coffee table books...
But honestly, how many people still work in print production?
 
Anyone willing to pay $100 for a photo editing/managing program is not going to be happy with a 10" (or 13") touch screen and no options for a mouse/pen and even a keyboard for shortcuts.

I'll halfway agree with you on this. Even fully featured, it won't be quite as smooth an experience on a 10" iPad as it would be on a 13" Macbook Pro. It'd have it's perks, but a mouse and keyboard shortcuts do go a long way when it comes to programs like this.

But the rumored 12" iPad, hopefully sporting a pressure sensitive stylus digitizer, and a bluetooth keyboard? That's what I'm interested in, and what I'm hoping this is pointing towards.

But honestly, how many people still work in print production?

Millions.
 
Indeed. I don't know why Adobe keeps these advertorials coming on MR. Do they never read the comments??
The negative comments here come mostly from people who are not the target group anyway. This software is aimed at professional photographers and enthusiasts. These are people who have already spent several thousand dollars on their equipment and who are willing to make a certain additional investment to get good results from their photos. Or do you think people spend $5000 on camera, lenses, filter, tripods, etc. and then complain that they can't get this app for $4.99?

I bet that the people who comment here that they want to buy the app for $4.99 have never shot a single RAW image in their life anyway, so why should Adobe care about their opinion? And yes, there are lots of people who don't want subscription based software. Still, Adobe appears to be making a lot of money. Why is there such a discrepancy between comments and reality? Because complainers are always more vocal.

I am not saying that I am happy with the pricing, but it's a matter of supply and demand. I guess those who don't want to pay for this service have great alternatives with a friendlier pricing scheme (strangely, none have been mentioned). If not, then it's a pointless discussion.
 
There is no way in hell I will pay a yearly subscription fee. I will purchase upgrades when I feel they are worthy. Adobe is heading in a bad direction with Creative Cloud. I want no part of it.

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The negative comments here come mostly from people who are not the target group anyway. This software is aimed at professional photographers and enthusiasts. These are people who have already spent several thousand dollars on their equipment and who are willing to make a certain additional investment to get good results from their photos. Or do you think people spend $5000 on camera, lenses, filter, tripods, etc. and then complain that they can't get this app for $4.99?

I bet that the people who comment here that they want to buy the app for $4.99 have never shot a single RAW image in their life anyway, so why should Adobe care about their opinion? And yes, there are lots of people who don't want subscription based software. Still, Adobe appears to be making a lot of money. Why is there such a discrepancy between comments and reality? Because complainers are always more vocal.

I am not saying that I am happy with the pricing, but it's a matter of supply and demand. I guess those who don't want to pay for this service have great alternatives with a friendlier pricing scheme (strangely, none have been mentioned). If not, then it's a pointless discussion.

I have no problems paying $99, but I do have a big problem being forced to pay that yearly. Sure, it's a tiny compared to the many thousands I have spent on equipment. It's the principal of the whole thing. I want to purchase software when I want, not be forced to pay yearly.

Not to mention, why do I want to deal with finite cloud hosting storage costs when hard drives are so damn cheap. I have many TB of RAW images.
 
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