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I only have an Adobe Air Uninstaller in my Utilities folder.

Ouch, I feel sorry for you actually having that trash installed. That means you have to see even more of Adobes scattered icons.

Here's the flash uninstaller for your viewing pleasure:
flashinstallmanager.png


You were saying?
 
Ouch, I feel sorry for you actually having that trash installed. That means you have to see even more of Adobes scattered icons.

Here's the flash uninstaller for your viewing pleasure:
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4210/flashinstallmanager.png

You were saying?

I'm mistaken I do have that. How dare Adobe put that uninstaller file in the Utilities folder! What a horrible company. Either way you look very silly in this whole discussion. You're pulling straws over Adobe Installing a PrefPane, an Uninstaller, and the 2 plugins. Would you like it to be bundled in an .app and put in the /Applications folder? Would that make this a better install?
 
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I'm mistaken I do have that. How dare Adobe put that uninstaller file in the Utilities folder! What a horrible company. Either way you look very silly in this whole discussion. You're pulling straws over Adobe Installing a PrefPane, an Uninstaller, and the 2 plugins. Would you like it to be bundled in an .app and put in the /Applications folder? Would that make this a better install?

Yeah, who cares what **** Adobe installs in various place on our computer without asking! I wish every company separated every little feature from each other into a completely different portion on our machines! It would be so easy to find and it would be SUPER nice to see all of those lovely icons for something as little as a browser plug-in! ... :rolleyes:

I'm pulling for straws? I lol'd.
 
simple answer. uninstall it... how often are you in your utilities folder? I didnt even remember that they had an uninstaller in there. at least they make it easy to uninstall... unlike some programs.
 
Yeah, who cares what **** Adobe installs in various place on our computer without asking! I wish every company separated every little feature from each other into a completely different portion on our machines! It would be so easy to find and it would be SUPER nice to see all of those lovely icons for something as little as a browser plug-in! ... :rolleyes:

I'm pulling for straws? I lol'd.

You are. You are hating for the sake to hate. Most programs have separate uninstaller programs. Its pretty difficult to uninstall yourself when you are open. Ever tried unmounting a hard drive you are working on? You're complaining about BS right now. The whole point of this article is Adobe is actually trying to fix there crappy program and you're complaining about an Uninstaller app sitting in the Utilities folder. I would hate to see what would happen if you forgot you mounted a DMG and saw it sitting on your desktop.
 
simple answer. uninstall it... how often are you in your utilities folder? I didnt even remember that they had an uninstaller in there. at least they make it easy to uninstall... unlike some programs.

Uninstall what? The preferences? Then I have to manually delete cookies and manually update. Delete the uninstaller? Then I have to manually uninstall. All I've been suggesting is they combine the two. Having them both separated is a horrible idea.

How often am I in my utilities folder? Let's see, I pretty much access Activity Monitor, Console, Audio MIDI Setup and Disk Utility every other day at the least so yes, I am in my utilities folder often.


You are. You are hating for the sake to hate. Most programs have separate uninstaller programs. Its pretty difficult to uninstall yourself when you are open. Ever tried unmounting a hard drive you are working on? You're complaining about BS right now. The whole point of this article is Adobe is actually trying to fix there crappy program and you're complaining about an Uninstaller app sitting in the Utilities folder. I would hate to see what would happen if you forgot you mounted a DMG and saw it sitting on your desktop.
I'm hating just to hate? LOL

Go download Perian and see how that functions. Then get back to me with your whole "it's hard to uninstall when it's installed" argument. That's the point of there being a separate preference pane item.
 
I wish they'd put as much effort into HTML5 as Adobe is putting into Flash for Mac.

Flash performs almost flawlessly on Windows, a full HD video using about 5% of my CPU.

I tried watching the iPad 2 video on Apple and it consumed about 70% of my processor, the video was put of sync with the sound, it would go pixelated and randomly turn green.

Tried it with 3 separate browsers. No change.
 
I wish they'd put as much effort into HTML5 as Adobe is putting into Flash for Mac.

Flash performs almost flawlessly on Windows, a full HD video using about 5% of my CPU.

I tried watching the iPad 2 video on Apple and it consumed about 70% of my processor, the video was put of sync with the sound, it would go pixelated and randomly turn green.

Tried it with 3 separate browsers. No change.

HTML5 has nothing to do with video performance. Were you watching a video played through the HTML5 video tag or the Quicktime Player? My bet is you are talking about Quicktime if it behaved exactly the same in three different browsers. Probably a bad install or an out of date version.
 
Uninstall what? The preferences? Then I have to manually delete cookies and manually update. Delete the uninstaller? Then I have to manually uninstall. All I've been suggesting is they combine the two. Having them both separated is a horrible idea.

How often am I in my utilities folder? Let's see, I pretty much access Activity Monitor, Console, Audio MIDI Setup and Disk Utility every other day at the least so yes, I am in my utilities folder often.



I'm hating just to hate? LOL

Go download Perian and see how that functions. Then get back to me with your whole "it's hard to uninstall when it's installed" argument. That's the point of there being a separate preference pane item.

Perian has a larger foot print than Adobe


Yes even on OSX. Outside of the Basic Mac Apps uninstallers are out there. Mostly because a lot of companies realize that throwing an APP in the trash doesn't get rid of everything (such as preference files, temporary files, etc.) One of the biggest problems with OSX is by throwing an APP away, you haven't totally rid yourself of the application.
 

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You do realize Perian is just an addon for Quicktime right.

What are you two arguing about? He's annoyed there is an uninstaller added to his Utilities folder. Something that almost no other app does. You don't care. I don't care. Whoopeee. Are you trying to convince him that he's not annoyed?

Yes even on OSX. Outside of the Basic Mac Apps uninstallers are out there. Mostly because a lot of companies realize that throwing an APP in the trash doesn't get rid of everything (such as preference files, temporary files, etc.) One of the biggest problems with OSX is by throwing an APP away, you haven't totally rid yourself of the application.

No, not on OS X. Most apps don't have separate uninstallers.
 
You do realize Perian is just an addon for Quicktime right. Also, Perian is a pretty simple vs. Flash. You can actually explode the Perian Preference pane and edit everything about it. I edit the actual tool bar to make the Update Now option point to null so my clients can't update on there own.

Uhh, dude, what the hell do you think flash is? It's three files in your Internet Plug Ins folder. That's all the uninstaller removes. Perian is just files in your QuickTime plugin folder. It's the exact same damn concept.
 
I guess it wasn't enough that I had to see their uninstaller in my Utilities folder. Now I have to see their system preference pane too. Just combine them. :rolleyes:

Thats what the original complaint was. After that I posted a helpful hint on how to remove the prefpane and he continued to argue he was only upset about the Remove program in Utilities. Seems to me he forgot what he originally wrote.

Uhh, dude, what the hell do you think flash is? It's three files in your Internet Plug Ins folder. That's all the uninstaller removes. Perian is just files in your QuickTime plugin folder. It's the exact same damn concept.

I posted the exploded screen shot. As you can see, its more than just plugins in your Quicktime folder.
 
Thats what the original complaint was. After that I posted a helpful hint on how to remove the prefpane and he continued to argue he was only upset about the Remove program in Utilities. Seems to me he forgot what he originally wrote.



I posted the exploded screen shot. As you can see, its more than just plugins in your Quicktime folder.

Helpful hint? LMAO! You suggested removing something that I wanted combined with something else. Your "hint" was not helpful and provided no solution to my complaint.

As for Perian, all the uninstaller is doing is removing some QuickTime components it installed. You have proved nothing. You haven't shown me how Adobe can't provide an uninstaller in their preference pane to remove three items in one folder. And even if they can't then remove the preference folder and just make it single utility. Thats all I'm asking for.
 
Why doesn't Adobe do something important? Like make Flash adhere to proxy settings instead of completely ignoring them...
 
HTML5 has nothing to do with video performance. Were you watching a video played through the HTML5 video tag or the Quicktime Player? My bet is you are talking about Quicktime if it behaved exactly the same in three different browsers. Probably a bad install or an out of date version.

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I have the latest version of Quicktime, doesnt it give me quicktime options if I right click on it, it does if the player is a Flash Player, or other player.
 
Light a little fire under someone's butt and get some results. Keep working Adobe. Keep working. Progress is what we like to see. It's not the whole olive tree Mr Steve is looking for but it shows Adobe is still committed to the platform. Haven't dl'd and tried it but I promise to give it fair critique later. No blind bashing from me.

Now, now. Let's not have any rational talk or fair evaluations of any sort on this site, are you mad? ;)
 
Where's the hate?

Just dropped by expecting some fresh adobe hate and everybody is all "a step in the right direction", and other reasonableness.
 
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Dear Adobe,

Universal Binary does not mean only runs on intel.

Oh snap! Lol. I had to go look on the actual adobe page to believe what I was seeing.

Dear sux2beyou

Universal Binary can mean only runs on intel. Read up on Fat binaries and multi-architecture binaries and how intel supports up to 3 architectures right now, 2 of which are found in Macs.

Err, really?! {back from wikipedia} Damn it! When did they change Universal to mean i386/x86_64?!
 
Mark my words: Flash 10.3 will still suck.

Flash 10.3 will be a CPU hog on Macs, and make the cooling fans spin like crazy. Just like every Flash version that preceded it.

Flash was, is, and will always be, a piece of crap. Adobe is too lazy and too greedy to optimize it.

Apple still doesnt have hardware accel? Windows uses less than 1% cpu 1080p flash.
 
Apple only released the VDA framework for 3 nVidia GPUs. If you have an Intel or ATI based GPU in your Mac, you're SOL. Plus they only released it last April.

Got to love how Apple tries to blame Adobe for flash problem but Apple is really a huge part of the problem is not the largest problem of Flash problems on OSX. Apple will not give out the needed API that they need and still not giving access to hardware acceleration for most of their line. I would not put it past Apple to give out nVidia for hardware acceleration because they were moving away from it and they could have their blind fan base go LOOK LOOK Apple gave it out but in reality Apple gave out nothing.
 
Got to love how Apple tries to blame Adobe for flash problem but Apple is really a huge part of the problem is not the largest problem of Flash problems on OSX. Apple will not give out the needed API that they need and still not giving access to hardware acceleration for most of their line. I would not put it past Apple to give out nVidia for hardware acceleration because they were moving away from it and they could have their blind fan base go LOOK LOOK Apple gave it out but in reality Apple gave out nothing.

When did Apple blame Adobe for h.264 playback performance issues?
 
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