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Adobe Releases HTML5 Extension for Dreamweaver CS5
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HLdan
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While it may well and true that Adobe was planning this long before the iPad, I can bet that weren't in any rush to implement HTML5 options into their suite until Apple put them on Front Street. 😀
Anuba
macrumors 68040
In the enterprise world where you sometimes have custom written software you paid several million for and you have it installed across thousands of computers in many different countries, upgrading software is often a no-go. I've work on creating bigass video tutorials for DOS-based software for a major car manufacturer. Green DOS text on black, The Matrix style. They used this software globally. This was in 2003, the software was probably from the early 90's... And I'm sure they'll be using it in 2023 as well. The video tutorial wasn't cheap, but pretty much anything is cheaper than upgrading or replacing the software.
This is why Microsoft introduced the whole virtual XP thing with Win7. Anyone with Win7 Ultimate or Enterprise can download XP for free and run it Parallells style from the Win7 shell. This will allow them to throw a lot of legacy garbage out of any future versions of Windows. Wanna run old software? Down in the virtual XP basement with you then, shoo.
Anuba
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Probably true, since it wasn't included in the just-released CS5. But Adobe wasn't going to sit on their asses anyway... they pretty much own the market for this type of software and they aren't going to let anyone sneak past them when it comes to supporting the latest standards.
Edit: Ugh, sorry for the consecutive posts, I took for granted someone else would have posted in the last 10 minutes...
Everyone who thinks Adobe's move was smart and cursing Job for his letter is so damn wrong.
Adobe is just digging their grave even deeper.
They acknowledge their latest tools are already outdated and requires immediate update to conform with latest standards. They also agrees HTML5 and everything that comes with it is the future.
Adobe is just digging their grave even deeper.
They acknowledge their latest tools are already outdated and requires immediate update to conform with latest standards. They also agrees HTML5 and everything that comes with it is the future.
Adobe becoming the old Apple while Apple is becoming the new Microsoft ?
I hope a truly open, free VP8 finds acceptance instead of H.264. Steve wouldn't try to push a new "free" standard that includes the option to start charging for it once it takes hold, would he ?
I hope a truly open, free VP8 finds acceptance instead of H.264. Steve wouldn't try to push a new "free" standard that includes the option to start charging for it once it takes hold, would he ?
Darkroom
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daveheinzel
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TextWrangler is my tool of choice for creating web sites. Works for HTML, CSS, JS and PHP. I do use Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop for graphic creation, but I prefer hand-coding everything. I would be scared of a web programmer who solely used Dreamweaver.
Anuba
macrumors 68040
Not that it's Adobe's fault (it's Macromedia's), but isn't Dreamweaver just about the corniest and most pretentious name a web coding+layout application could possibly have? "background: #ffffff; color: #000000; oooooh I'm totally weaving dreams now."
I like it though. I remember when it was first released, and the only other viable alternative we had was MS FrontPage. Ugh.
Its funny how people were expecting Adobe to block new standards to push their other products, like this is a big "loss" for Adobe. You guys are so used to Apple doing things like that that you have no idea how the world of professional applications work, Adobe could NEVER get away with not supporting the next version of HTML, its insane to even think that.
Seriously, the next version of HTML. HTML. Dreamweaver not supporting the next version of HTML...
Its not surprising that HTML5 support wasnt included at launch, HTML5 is not even finalized yet, how do you build a tool for a work in progress? A work in progress that was nearly nonfunctional when CS5 started development? A work in progress that is not expected to be finished until 2012?
Seriously, the next version of HTML. HTML. Dreamweaver not supporting the next version of HTML...
Its not surprising that HTML5 support wasnt included at launch, HTML5 is not even finalized yet, how do you build a tool for a work in progress? A work in progress that was nearly nonfunctional when CS5 started development? A work in progress that is not expected to be finished until 2012?
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KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
Except they shipped HTML5 Canvas export in Flash CS5. Before the open letter. 🙄
Some of you are really way too sold on Apple.
But it was, just not this part and not in Dreamweaver.
Canvas, Video and Audio are finalized. Hence why Flash CS5 does export to Canvas. On release.
How is this news?
<sarcasm>Finally Adobe made it so I could code HTML5</sarcasm> I've been able to code HTML5 using every previous version of dreamweaver or any other text editor for that matter. If your relying on Adobe for the "ability" to do something like this your falling way short.
I don't hate Flash or Apple or Adobe or Dreamweaver or ... Really I could care less about this whole debate, its ridiculous. Its its up to the developer to use whatever technology is the best fit for the audience. If your audience is Apple mobile and all you know is Flash that's not really Apple's problem. Suck it up and learn a new way to do something.
If your a consumer and are mad about the whole Flash/Apple issue two questions: 1. Do you even really know what Flash is and why it is/isn't used to create web content? 2. Why did you buy the iphone/ipad/itouch? (Apple would listen if people weren't buying the product. Your money speaks a lot louder than your voice)
<sarcasm>Finally Adobe made it so I could code HTML5</sarcasm> I've been able to code HTML5 using every previous version of dreamweaver or any other text editor for that matter. If your relying on Adobe for the "ability" to do something like this your falling way short.
I don't hate Flash or Apple or Adobe or Dreamweaver or ... Really I could care less about this whole debate, its ridiculous. Its its up to the developer to use whatever technology is the best fit for the audience. If your audience is Apple mobile and all you know is Flash that's not really Apple's problem. Suck it up and learn a new way to do something.
If your a consumer and are mad about the whole Flash/Apple issue two questions: 1. Do you even really know what Flash is and why it is/isn't used to create web content? 2. Why did you buy the iphone/ipad/itouch? (Apple would listen if people weren't buying the product. Your money speaks a lot louder than your voice)
Anuba
macrumors 68040
Thanks a lot, now I'll hear a theme song and think of mullets whenever I launch DW. 😉
Anuba
macrumors 68040
So I keep hearing, but where are these export options in CS5? Is it an ActionScript thing, or...? I see the same old swf / gif / png sequence / mov stuff in the export dialog...
HLdan
macrumors 603
Well, Apple and other network companies certainly see it to be bigger than just Wifi N otherwise they (Apple) wouldn't be bold enough to drop Flash in favor of HTML5. The iPad has been a huge success even for many of the MR people that "know" Flash doesn't run on it. The online networks are certainly making accommodations for the iPad in terms of implementing HTML5 so it safe to say that it's much more than just "Wifi N". 😛
Anuba
macrumors 68040
I'm sure MR people and Apple fans in general don't mind, but I think this whole "well, iPhone sold well without Flash and iPad is just a big iPod Touch so it should be fine on that one as well" is oversimplifying the matter a bit.
Phones are generally excused because they're tiny, the surfing experience is compromised anyway and it's sort of an unspoken understanding between vendor and user that we should consider ourselves lucky that it works at all. But the iPad is supposed to be this attractively priced internet tablet for the masses far outside the Apple fan base, and the empty Flash boxes are no longer the size of your pinky, they're the size of your entire hand.
I don't think it's a huge problem, but still, it doesn't mean that the "worked for iPhone!" excuse is entirely applicable here.
There's a difference between "hey look, you can even see a tiny version of the internet on it!" and "best way evvar to experience the internet"...
the question is why was this not in the shipping version?
Maybe because Adobe was ignoring the open standard to promote its own proprietary closed standard. Abusing its monopoly over image editing to force Flash on every one. Does anyone think they would have sold half as many copies of Flash if they hadn't shoved it in almost every CS bundle.
Maybe because Adobe was ignoring the open standard to promote its own proprietary closed standard. Abusing its monopoly over image editing to force Flash on every one. Does anyone think they would have sold half as many copies of Flash if they hadn't shoved it in almost every CS bundle.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
I've found this demo tutorial from around April 12th :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP98Tfc4WWg
Not being a Flash dev myself, I don't have access to CS5.
Or it wasn't quite ready and they decided to offer it as a free download instead of delaying shipping their entire CS5 suite for 1 feature.