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Adobe Releases HTML5 Extension for Dreamweaver CS5

ValSalva said:
Dreamweaver is a bloated mess. It takes over the entire screen. It's ridiculous on a big 27" monitor. I used to use it but now prefer more nimble and better implemented apps such as Espresso and Coda. Adobe stuff feels heavier than MS Office on the Mac.
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Yeah, what's up with that? In Photoshop you can select "show Application frame" to get rid of the fullscreen nonsense, but in Dreamweaver this option doesn't exist. :(

trrosen said:
Maybe because Adobe was ignoring the open standard to promote its own proprietary closed standard. Abusing its monopoly over image editing to force Flash on every one.
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Adobe sucks in many ways but they should still have credit where credit is due. You're being extremely unfair.

First, it was Macromedia who owned Flash for 10 years before the company was acquired by Adobe. Macromedia kept Flash/SWF sealed shut during all that time. 2 years after Adobe bought Macromedia, they published the specs for the SWF format (the same year they made PDF an open standard).

Second, back when Macromedia owned Flash, Adobe had their own alternative for vector based animations on the web, LiveMotion. And LiveMotion supported the SVG format, which was already an open standard. So: Adobe pushed for an open standard, Macromedia pushed for their closed format, and Adobe lost.

Consequently, you can't retroactively blame Adobe for Flash having been a proprietary format for so long, when they didn't even have control over it until after 2006. And you also can't blame them for the fact that the proprietary SWF format became more popular than the SVG format, the open standard that Adobe supported. You should blame the masses for that. The masses had a choice and they crapped on the open standard alternative in favor of Flash, against Adobe's wishes. And now they're pointing fingers at Adobe for resisting evolution? Wow, how can you ever win in the eyes of a public like that.
 
trrosen said:
the question is why was this not in the shipping version?

Maybe because Adobe was ignoring the open standard to promote its own proprietary closed standard. Abusing its monopoly over image editing to force Flash on every one. Does anyone think they would have sold half as many copies of Flash if they hadn't shoved it in almost every CS bundle.
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Or it could be because HTML5 is not a standard yet and it was to be released later as an add on.
 
Whatta Crock

This is not notable. Big deal if they came up with some tag support for HTML5. What they need to do is create an HTML5 exporter for Flash. Like we're going to do Canvas animations with Dreamweaver?
 
trrosen said:
the question is why was this not in the shipping version?

Maybe because Adobe was ignoring the open standard to promote its own proprietary closed standard. Abusing its monopoly over image editing to force Flash on every one. Does anyone think they would have sold half as many copies of Flash if they hadn't shoved it in almost every CS bundle.
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HMTL5 was barely functional when they started development on CS5, its still not very functional. What does image editing have to do with web coding? Do you not know what HTML is? It is impossible for Adobe not to eventually support HTML5 in Dreamweaver, HTML is the heart of the web, not even Internet Explorer can get away with excluding HTML5 support in future versions.
 
angrynstupid said:
This is not notable. Big deal if they came up with some tag support for HTML5. What they need to do is create an HTML5 exporter for Flash. Like we're going to do Canvas animations with Dreamweaver?
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Writing extensions is one thing, but a massive undertaking like redesigning Flash Professional for output of complete Canvas material is a very expensive and time consuming project, so it's something they wouldn't go ahead with full steam until HTML5/Canvas has been finalized. Does no one realize how sketchy HTML5 is...? That browser manufacturers haven't even agreed on which video formats to support? That some browsers simply don't support HTML5 at all?

End users think this is as easy as snapping one's fingers or pressing the HTML5 "on" switch. There are three jobs everyone should be forced to try out for a year before they earn the right to complain: 1) Cop, 2) Business owner, 3) C++ programmer.

stainlessliquid said:
HMTL5 was barely functional when they started development on CS5, its still not very functional. What does image editing have to do with web coding? Do you not know what HTML is?
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I think he was insinuating that the only reason why Flash Professional is a popular content production platform is because Adobe has a de-facto monopoly on image editing through owning Photoshop, and if it weren't for Flash being part of the CS suite which is the cheapest way to get your hands on Photoshop+Illustrator, nobody would use Flash Professional. Riiiiiiiiiight.
 
trrosen said:
the question is why was this not in the shipping version?

Maybe because Adobe was ignoring the open standard to promote its own proprietary closed standard. Abusing its monopoly over image editing to force Flash on every one. Does anyone think they would have sold half as many copies of Flash if they hadn't shoved it in almost every CS bundle.
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no, the question is what the hell are you talking about? same old broken record argument, same old warrior-boys for steve jobs against the evil adobe empire. :rolleyes:

also, you *can* buy adobe applications on their own without buying Creative Suite.
 
Anuba said:
Writing extensions is one thing, but a massive undertaking like redesigning Flash Professional for output of complete Canvas material is a very expensive and time consuming project, so it's something they wouldn't go ahead with full steam until HTML5/Canvas has been finalized. Does no one realize how sketchy HTML5 is...? That browser manufacturers haven't even agreed on which video formats to support? That some browsers simply don't support HTML5 at all?

End users think this is as easy as snapping one's fingers or pressing the HTML5 "on" switch. There are three jobs everyone should be forced to try out for a year before they earn the right to complain: 1) Cop, 2) Business owner, 3) C++ programmer.


I think he was insinuating that the only reason why Flash Professional is a popular content production platform is because Adobe has a de-facto monopoly on image editing through owning Photoshop, and if it weren't for Flash being part of the CS suite which is the cheapest way to get your hands on Photoshop+Illustrator, nobody would use Flash Professional. Riiiiiiiiiight.
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All some people here is Steve Jobs push HTML5 so its perfection! People don't realize that HTML5 is nowhere near primetime and has been littered with delays and issues.
 
For all of the people on here that just read MacRumors posts, you really need to get a life and read elsewhere. Adobe is upgrading their Flash to run smoother on mobile products. Look for it in the tech news of late.
 
KnightWRX said:
HTML5 Canvas is finalized.
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Text API and pixel manipulation (pretty basic features if you want to replace Flash) were added in the summer of 2009. CS5 has been in the works for way longer than that. It's nice if a standard is complete before you start the project...
 
Anuba said:
Text API and pixel manipulation (pretty basic features if you want to replace Flash) were added in the summer of 2009. CS5 has been in the works for way longer than that. It's nice if a standard is complete before you start the project...
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Not arguing that. The spec for Canvas, Video and Audio are finalized though. It's a bit of a stretch to say HTML5 is a work in progress. The spec as a whole may be, but some parts are ready for primetime.
 
Slightly off topic but...

When you buy Dreamweaver do you get a license for both the Mac and Windows versions? Do you have to buy them separately? Or is there perhaps a discount on one if you own the other?
 
AlmostThere said:
Perhaps Apple should focus more on fully implementing HTML5 in Safari so that partners have a platform to build for, and less on criticizing technologies that have flourished to fill the gap they left.
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Anyone else annoyed that the MobileMe website does not work on Safari on the iPad?
 
KnightWRX said:
Not arguing that. The spec for Canvas, Video and Audio are finalized though. It's a bit of a stretch to say HTML5 is a work in progress. The spec as a whole may be, but some parts are ready for primetime.
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HTML5 will come I just wish that it would happen naturally. It seems very forced right now. Forced technology usually ends with issues. Not for the corp. pushing it but for the people utilizing it.
 
rlmccormick said:
When you buy Dreamweaver do you get a license for both the Mac and Windows versions? Do you have to buy them separately? Or is there perhaps a discount on one if you own the other?
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No. This is what I hate about Adobe's policies (apart from the fact that they charge foreigners up to 2X more than Americans... no, this isn't about VAT differences or exchange rates, it goes waaaaay beyond that).

When I buy music software (which I do, a lot) it always comes on a Mac/Win combo DVD and I can install either one or both. Not so with Adobe. You have to buy two separate licences. I thought they would change their way after BootCamp was released – after all, the license agreement does provide for installation on two computers, but not only can they not be one Mac and one PC, they can't even be two OS installations on one computer.
 
Good for Adobe, more moves like this from them would be very welcome.

Now if they just added some more server behaviors, and merged the Developer toolbox into CS5 or at least allowed the extension to install) that would be another good step.
 
being able to do Flash AND HTML5 >>>>> just being able to do HTML5

how's that for a novel concept?.
I need to have access to both, Currently i'm not getting the web experience with my iphone as i would like.
 
the first good news I've heard about

Adobe's Creative Suite in months.

It's not enough to get me to buy CS5 but it's a step in the right direction. I hope CS6 will play down or remove the dependency on Flash throughout the suite. That's why I haven't upgraded.
 
Anuba said:
*Ssssssh*. Let them live in the pipe dream that these extensions were rushed together after mighty Steve wrote his open letter. Adobe never heard of HTML5 before Steve told them a few weeks ago, didn't you know? ;)
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HAHAHAHA best quote I have read today!.... :D
 
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