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Adobe Releases New Creative Cloud Apps

If you need to use Adobe packages then you are earning money from them and you need to upgrade every 2 major upgrades minimum to stay on top.

Creative Cloud does away with the whole upgrade shenanigans - you're always at the latest version.

How much do you think that copy of CS5 you bought 3 years ago is really worth now? Who would buy it? (actually, you might find someone on this thread!)

If you already have a CS version, you get a discount for the first year. If you don't then it's still a fraction of the outlay of Master Collection. Do the maths on a subscription model vs buying a new version and upgrading every 2 years. It works.

Folks that only use Photoshop occasionally should be looking for a cheaper alternative anyway - or looking at renting it on a month-to-month basis. Alternatively just buy or stick with an old version. If it does everything you need to make a poster for your mate's band you don't need the latest greatest version anyway.

I've been using Adobe's subscription service for a year and couldn't be happier.
 
It's a good idea for heavy/pro users. They can be at any computer and still works. They can be using Mac or PC and still works. However, I only use PS once every month and it will be a rip off for me. They excluding users like me.
 
The Creative Cloud is great for a studio who hires temp designers; you don't have to pay full price for the suite, just a small rental fee for the time you need the designers. Then you can stop. And big companies have enough $$$ that they don't care.

For the rest of us, it's a bad deal. I really hope Adobe looses their monopoly and other companies come up with true alternatives. Apple, comon kick Adobe where it hurts and come up with alternatives.

So glad I got CS6...holding onto that for as long as I can!

For those who don't support the CC, please sign this petition. So far it has over 30,000 signatures. Not sure if it'll work, but it couldn't hurt.

uaecasher said:
I really happy with adobe!

For a design student, having to pay 19.99 for all their apps is much better than paying thousands of dollars. It's just like leasing a car.
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Except:

1) That price can go up later on.
2) The moment you stop paying, you loose the software, and access (can't open) to files made with ACC.
3) You are forced to upgrade; with the CS, you had a choice to skip versions and save money by not upgrading (although I think their upgrade policy changed).
4) It's $50 for ALL the apps; $20 for one app IIRC.

MultiMediaWill said:
For once something made by Adobe is reasonably priced. $50 is a bargin.
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See above.
 
JGRE said:
It is cheaper for me to buy a ticket to JFK, buy a rMBP 15 inch at Best Buy and fly back home than buying it overhere.
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Not if you have to pay the 20% or so taxes at the airport. Of course you can try to smuggle your brand new Mac into your country but I would not risk it. :)
 
Ciclismo said:
Adobe aren't the only ones screwing us Europeans (see below), they're just the worst.

PS4
USA $399, EU $532 - 33% mark-up

Xbox One
USA $499, EU $665 - 33% mark-up

Adobe CC
USA $49 p.m., EU $82 p.m. - 67% mark-up
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Don't forget Apple:
15 inch base Retina MBP $2199 vs £1799 ($2821)
 
Sounds good on the surface and I agree the price is right. I'd rather pay $50pm than $1000s only having to pay more in 12 months to upgrade to the latest.

Now my concerns as I assume you still download the software so you're not working online like through a browser (like the new iWork software) I have a decent Internet but would hate to loose my work if it goes down or say I'm on a laptop and out of range.

I think this could also be good to help stop piracy, more people will be willing to rent the software than risk installing something that might harm their system.

Now I just wonder what prices will be outside the US, I just wish they would say $50US and you pay according to the exchange rate at each time you pay.
 
iamgalactic said:
If you need to use Adobe packages then you are earning money from them and you need to upgrade every 2 major upgrades minimum to stay on top.

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Folks that only use Photoshop occasionally should be looking for a cheaper alternative anyway - or looking at renting it on a month-to-month basis. Alternatively just buy or stick with an old version. If it does everything you need to make a poster for your mate's band you don't need the latest greatest version anyway.

I've been using Adobe's subscription service for a year and couldn't be happier.
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Thank you for being the authority on how and when we should all be using or not using Adobe software.

Glad you're happy though.
 
BillyBobBongo said:
I've always been required to be up to date. I work a lot with design studios and advertising agencies and the second one of them upgrades I have to follow suit. This of course is due to the fact that Adobe, in their infinite wisdom, don't allow older versions of their software to open files created in newer versions. It's always seemed unprofessional to have to ask for everyone to downgrade files for me so I can open them.

Photoshop has always been more forgiving with this, allowing users to stay on an older version for much longer. But I do understand your point of view.
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Of course you have to be up to date, but not necessarily every version. Skipping a version is acceptable. But now you're forced to pay/upgrade.

towerofmusic said:
Creative Cloud has been available for some time. In that time Adobe has tested it's business model. The model of subscription holds up well again a user/company who upgrade at every cycle.
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There's only one problem with that, the CC was an option. People weren't forced into it like they are now if they want to continue to use Adobe software.


towerofmusic said:
I'm one of those and find cc to be a beneficial upgrade. Regular updates, cloud storage. Looks like the new apps have a more integrated approach. I don't think adobe sees a future in having their software ripped of by anyone with little snitch and/or access to their mac host file. Can you blame them?
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I hope cloud storage isn't your primary means of storage. I don't see cloud storage as a 'benefit' personally...relies on internet speed and with the huge files sizes Photoshop can have, even broadband can be too slow. 25Mbps is just over 3MB/S. That'll take a while over the web. Even then, ISPs like ATT and Comcast have bandwidth limits each month. That'll eat right into that. Now if you Google Fiber you'd have it better at Gigabit speed and no data caps.

And give it time, the hacker community will have it cracked. Not saying I'd use cracked software, but I'm sure someone will crack it.
 
kalsta said:
Thank you for being the authority on how and when we should all be using or not using Adobe software.

Glad you're happy though.
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No, thank you for your compelling contribution to this thread. You could at least have tried to attack just one of my points with an argument of my own.
 
To mitigate this Adobe rip-off cash grab they need to at least do two things:

1) After a couple of years one should be able to keep the last version of the software they were using so as to maintain access to the files and work they created over the intervening two years. Ditto for at least some of the Typekit fonts.

2) Allow simultaneous use on more than two computers. Only two activation is a joke. Even Microsoft Office 360 allows for five installations. Now if one personally owns more than two computers it's the deactivation-activation-deactivation dance. God forbid if you forget to deactivate and something goes wrong...
 
Ciclismo said:
Adobe aren't the only ones screwing us Europeans (see below), they're just the worst.

PS4
USA $399, EU $532 - 33% mark-up

Xbox One
USA $499, EU $665 - 33% mark-up

Adobe CC
USA $49 p.m., EU $82 p.m. - 67% mark-up
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19 to 21 % of that is sales taxes. Makes a +/- 10% mark-up, but you have to calculate for currency fluctuations. Pretty standard pricing, i'd say.
 
chaosbunny said:
Wrong. If you lease a car you own it someday, with Adobe you never own anything.
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I'll take this one step further, you also lose access to your data if you stop paying. What I mean by that is you no longer have the apps to open your files you created.

I'm no designer but I use PS, This has pushed me away from adobe, they lost a customer. Maybe not a huge customer, but a customer nonetheless.
 
SvP said:
19 to 21 % of that is sales taxes. Makes a +/- 10% mark-up, but you have to calculate for currency fluctuations. Pretty standard pricing, i'd say.
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Go have a look at the history of the Euro / USD exchange rate and let me know how often they were 1:1?

Answer: never, at it's weakest in August of 2003, the Euro was worth $1.09USD. Currently it's at $1.33USD. So by simply changing the $ to €, companies ensure that they have always more out of us than out of the US market.

Even if your argument held up, are we in Europe going to get 30-40% more service from Adobe, considering we are expected to pay 67% more?
 
CJM said:
I hope this crash and burns for Adobe.
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What few competitors they have are stepping up their marketing, much like how Adobe tried to do that with FCPX customers.

For my needs there's plenty of tools out there, including Pixelmator so I have no problem moving away.
 
Ciclismo said:
Go have a look at the history of the Euro / USD exchange rate and let me know how often they were 1:1?

Answer: never, at it's weakest in August of 2003, the Euro was worth $1.09USD. Currently it's at $1.33USD. So by simply changing the $ to €, companies ensure that they have always more out of us than out of the US market.

Even if your argument held up, are we in Europe going to get 30-40% more service from Adobe, considering we are expected to pay 67% more?
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You're right about the dollar. Still, doing business here does not equal doing business in your home country and import rights could account for some difference.

So, most are about 10% more expensive, but one is 67%, wich is weird. It could be accounted for tho, hosting is not equally cheap everywhere.
 
A Hebrew said:
Wait I can pay $240 a year for JUST photoshop and never actually OWN it? Guess I'm stickin' with CS6 unless I can actually buy software.
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Technically, you don't OWN the software, you just have a license to USE it. Which is actually not unlike the subscription thing.

The difference is that for the first you have a perpetual license to use that one particular version, and the other gives you a license to use the latest version of the software on a pay as you go scheme.
 
throttlemeister said:
Technically, you don't OWN the software, you just have a license to USE it. Which is actually not unlike the subscription thing.
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Of course but you get a tangible benefit in that you have a product to use as long as you want too, not as long as you keep paying adobe.

The industry is moving in this direction no question just look at MS but that doesn't make it right or that I'll be willing to increase my monthly expenses - that's just me :)

~Mike
 
ChrisA said:
People will like this once they get used to it. Right now peole cary around a notebook computer, I think mostly so they will have their data with them. But what if you could sit down to any computer on Earth and your photo library was right there. You work a while, sign off then later sit down at some other random computer and your desktop icons and all are there.

I used to work just like that in the 1980's and 90's with UNIX workstations from Sun Microsystems. The "cloud" did not go outside of the building and was Ethernet based. What has kept this away from consumer class computers is the cost of high speed data connections. But now many of us have that.

We are seeing this kind of thinking with Apple's new Mac Pro too. It assumes most of your storage is external, likely on a NAS "cloud".

Bit by bit it will move back to being that way. Centralized data with just terminal screens at the user's location.

At one point Sun required it's engineers to sit at a randomly assigned desk each day. They just took any un-used computer and went back to work. This forced them to use the system they were designing.


So far the only people complaining are those who don't like the price. I don't hear complaints about the functionality. So what if it costs $50 a month. If you are using this suit to make money and not making $50 it's time to look for other work.

If you don't like the price look at other options, Gimp is free as is Inkscape. There is Open Office and Google Docs and so on. You can do everything you want with free software.
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Well, you're right about one thing...It's all about price. Do you think Adobe made this change to make less money or more money? Whether this works for them will depend on how much they charge. Personally, I bought CS6 last month and it's going to last me a long long time. ;)
 
pfcosta said:
It's interesting that adobe does not know how to make dollars to euro conversions, cause I might be wrong, but since when a dollar is worth more than an euro?

Users in Europe have to pay more for the same service than in the US???:confused:
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'Twas ever thus...
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Let's get clever!!

Guys, we should put together a list of alternatives for each of the packages offered in CC - then everyone can move away from adobe (if they want) and own their products rather than rent them

below i have listed the full CC offering (some of them won't have direct alternatives like Flash but we could list html5 builders etc..)
I have filled in a few - any help would be great :)

Acrobat XI Pro:
Adobe Audition:
Adobe Muse:
Adobe Premiere Pro: Final Cut Pro X
Adobe Scout:
After Effects: Motion
Behance:
Bridge:
Business Catalyst:
Creative Cloud:
Digital Publishing Suite, Single Edition:
Dreamweaver: Coda 2
Edge Animate:
Edge Code:
Edge Inspect:
Edge Reflow:
Edge Web Fonts:
ExtendScript Toolkit:
Extension Manager:
Fireworks:
Flash Builder:
Flash Professional:
Gaming SDK:
Ideas:
Illustrator:
InCopy:
InDesign:
Kuler:
Lightroom: Aperture
PhoneGap Build:
Photoshop: Pixelmator
Photoshop Touch:
Prelude:
ProSite:
SpeedGrade:
Story Plus:
Typekit: Google Fonts
 
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