Adobe Releases New Creative Cloud Apps

[flottenheimer]

I would much rather have Adobe offering CS through the Mac App Store.
Or to at least offer a Creative Cloud version the old-school way — Pay $X and it is yours to keep.
I hate running expenses (and I have enough of them already).

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Btw, In Denmark the Adobe Creative Cloud prices are:

$81.36 (per month if you commit to a year)
$123.02 (per month if you commit to a month)

—that's insane!

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[Walter White]

Adobe are selling this on two fronts:
1. You get ALL the applications they make.
2. It's only a few bucks.

Back in a more realistic part of the forest: most people don't use all the apps. Yes, you can buy (sorry, rent) ONE app, but people are likely to use three or four. But they're not going to use them ALL.

Print Production staff have no need of Premiere or Flash. Web Designers have little need for InDesign.

Also, by displaying the monthly price, it looks like it's something for nothing.

Design Standard costs £1,230. Creative Cloud costs fractionally less than that over 2 years.
But you have to keep paying. Come rain or shine. I could previously choose when to upgrade my products if I needed to, and pay when it suited now. Now I have to pay constantly.
It's like having an Adobe store card, and paying off your purchase month by month: except that you never pay it off.

Most of the main Adobe tools have reached maturity. How many new features do we need in Photoshop? Most users aren't crying out for missing functionality. You can run a professional business with Photoshop version 6 (not CS, version!).

Indeed. At work we have people on eMacs working in Indesign just fine (that's CS2 though, but still). Same goes for Photoshop. I'm able to achieve same thing with CS2 photoshop.

Rent software? Over my dead body.

 

[ElTorro]

Adobe aren't the only ones screwing us Europeans (see below), they're just the worst.

PS4
USA $399, EU $532 - 33% mark-up

Xbox One
USA $499, EU $665 - 33% mark-up

Adobe CC
USA $49 p.m., EU $82 p.m. - 67% mark-up

In the USA, the posted price does not include sales tax, while in the EU it includes the VAT. However, at the end, it will still be cheaper in the States (in Texas for example the max sales tax rate is 8.5% and there is no VAT)

 

[ValSalva]

Acrobat is still not optimized for retina? I thought with the CC release it would be.

Could it be that hard? They got Photoshop retina optimized and that would seem to be a much more complex app. This is disappointing

 

[Bending Pixels]

"We are the Borg. Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

 

[JGRE]

Ah - OK - but can any manufacturer of goods do that? No - they can't. So just because an individual can break the law and avoid paying tax doesn't mean that a legal importer can do so. If you have a beef about paying taxes - well fair enough - but don't accuse an individual who chooses to abide by the law a fool.

The discussion started with why de Adobe products in euro cost much more compared to the same product in dollars. So I pointed out that also Apple products are much more expensive in Europe than in the US and it would be worthwile flying to the US buying the product there flying back and still saving money. Doing so, to my opnion you would be a fool declaring the product to costums because you would not have gone there in the first place (see the difference). But anyways were are going off-topic on this.

 

[Untitled-1961]

...I've been using Adobe's subscription service for a year and couldn't be happier.

I'm very happy for you. - But utilising software via subscription does not suit me at all. I'm a self employed artist on a variable income. I find it very handy to have Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, among other CG tools on my computer, that I can use both for personal or speculative projects and to generate income when the need or opportunity arises. It's no good paying for tools that wont work, if for one reason or another you can't afford to pay subs for a few months, probably at a time when you need these useful tools the most.

It seems to me a very sick irony, that the marketing speak for this model contains the word 'creative' in its title. It certainly does not acknowledge any diversity of art practice at all. - Subscription works for some, others prefer to save up and buy. Given that the software product is contained in a digital file, which is infinitely reproducible and can be delivered by download only, if Adobe so chooses. There's no fair and equitable reason for removing the consumers choice of payment method.

 

[DanielSw]

I'm surprised by some dudes here who really thinks that Adobe, having spent so much money in establishing all the infrastructure of the software leasing program, is actually helping them to save money, instead of maximizing income

The point is that these "dudes" AREN'T thinking. Their knees are jerking. That's all.

 

[anim8or]

Horsecrap. I have CS6 at home - but at work I have CS3 and I do a ton on it. Why? Because while some of the newer tools are nice - if you KNOW how to use Photoshop and are a PROFESSIONAL - it's about skill. You don't need to upgrade every 2 years. Myth. Pure myth.

Just like many an argument on here its all completely subjective...

We had CS5 on our work systems and recently updated to CS6... on the day of the upgrade I was working on a file in After Effects CS5, i rendered out a movie and i took about 25 mins.

We then upgraded over lunchtime, installed CS6 alongside our CS5 version to test it and make sure our projects still worked.

My test was to do the same render in CS6. It took 3 mins.

Time is money. Nuff said?

 

[philosopherdog]

This is the problem with monopoly. They can shove whatever they want down our throats and we have no recourse. This whole thing is a failure of proper laws to prevent one company from owning most of the creative tools around. Period. Of course the bean counters in software companies dream of users paying inpurpetuity. Microsoft has been trying this route for a long time. But now that we finally have Libre Office, Google Docs, and iWork only those stuck working for governments and banks need to have Microsoft crap running. One thing about Adobe doing this is that it maybe creates an opening for alternatives. Call me an optimist.

 

[samcraig]

Just like many an argument on here its all completely subjective...

We had CS5 on our work systems and recently updated to CS6... on the day of the upgrade I was working on a file in After Effects CS5, i rendered out a movie and i took about 25 mins.

We then upgraded over lunchtime, installed CS6 alongside our CS5 version to test it and make sure our projects still worked.

My test was to do the same render in CS6. It took 3 mins.

Time is money. Nuff said?

You're also talking about video rendering - not photoshop. I was talking about photoshop. Nuff said?

 

[Dave00]

Selling all my Adobe stock. This move isn't just bad for consumers, it's bad for the company. A better idea would've been to lower the price and increase the market share. At a price that expensive, people are going to design a workaround that will fool the server into thinking they have a license.

Too bad, they have a great product that everyone wants to use. But now, everyone's going to just buy the old versions that they can actually own.

 

[jebbe]

I'm happy with this, I'm updating our Macs at work as we speak!

 

[JerseyDoug]

I hope this pricing strategy backfires on Adobe. It probably won't, but it should.

It's going to force the amateur or struggling pro to look for alternatives. The obvious is a move to Lightroom, until it, too, goes the subscription route.

 

[litmag01]

Yay.

Another subscription based model.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

And the thing is, Creative Cloud ISN'T a bad deal for some people, particularly whole studios/businesses who need the majority of the Suite. But for those of us who only need one or two apps and only upgraded for ~$200 every 3 years, we're completely screwed.

I plan on sticking with Photoshop CS6 for another year, even though I wanted to upgrade to a Design Premium package with the now non-existant CS7 for web design apps, but if Adobe doesn't change its ways by a year from now, I'm going to have to start looking for other applications.

 

[grimmace]

No thanks.

Hey Adobe,
I've been using your products since 1988. If you think that I am paying you a monthly cost, your ****'n nuts! I get my software from work now and install it at home as well. I doubt corps will be paying a monthly fee!! Most corps are high and low on budgets. When high, they tend to allow this purchase, but NOT for an ongoing fee!! Good bye! I will ask china for a CD ASAP and never purchase a monthly cost.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

Don't forget Apple:
15 inch base Retina MBP $2199 vs £1799 ($2821)

You have forgotten to reduce UK price by VAT. Also, how much is the free second year of warranty worth? We don't get that in the states.

Consider this, the Xbox 360 originally came with a 90 day warranty in the US. What is the minimum UK electronics warranty?

 

[Macinva]

As someone who uses Master Collection for my career, I can say that I will ride CS6 Master Collection until it doesn't work anymore at which point I'll find alternatives to Adobe. I refuse to pay a monthly subscription for software I'll never own.

 

[JAQ]

I really happy with adobe!

For a design student, having to pay 19.99 for all their apps is much better than paying thousands of dollars. It's just like leasing a car.

And just like leasing a car, as soon as you miss a payment, it gets repo'ed.

And just like a student loan, as soon as you graduate, your monthly payment goes thru the roof.

As a student, you used to be eligible for educational licensing which was a lot cheaper than "thousands of dollars". The deals they gave to students were something I really loved about Adobe when I was a design student like you. And you could continue using that software after you graduated, perhaps cheating a little on the licensing until you developed enough of a freelance business to pay for a full professional license. But not anymore. So don't celebrate too much: you aren't getting a better deal out of this in the long run.

 

[Zealous]

I really happy with adobe!

For a design student, having to pay 19.99 for all their apps is much better than paying thousands of dollars. It's just like leasing a car.

Clearly you haven't passed your math gen eds yet... What is 20x12x4? ($960) - How much was the suite you would have needed to buy at a student discounted rate? ($300)

Now take that logic to the real world with non-discounted rates... Designers everywhere are being robbed by this nonsense.

 

[saturnotaku]

Well, we can stick with CS4 for a while longer where I work. Our CEO will certainly be happy with that.

 

[theluggage]

In the USA, the posted price does not include sales tax, while in the EU it includes the VAT. However, at the end, it will still be cheaper in the States (in Texas for example the max sales tax rate is 8.5% and there is no VAT)

...and bear in mind that most commercial users of the company will be VAT-registered and will be able to reclaim the VAT.

There are also issues like localisation for non-English speaking countries, running local offices/support services (with generally higher taxes & wages than US), stricter consumer protection laws than the US, which add extra liabilities (e.g. cooling-off periods for online purchases)...

However, I'm not sure that justifies $49 = £47. For that, I should ruddy well hope that the UK version spells colour properly and that the helpline is answered by Stephen Fry.

 

[RMo]

For once something made by Adobe is reasonably priced. $50 is a bargin.

$600 a year is reasonably priced? If you use this for two years, I'm pretty sure you could have bought the formerly-boxed software by then (and I realize they're trying to move to an annual release cycle, but there was no reason you needed to update each year when it would keep working for several). The same is true with education pricing, which is listed as $20/month but is really a one-year promo with a true, eventual cost of $30/month.

I don't think subscription pricing makes sense for something that doesn't require continued support or resources (e.g., servers--it's not like these are Web apps) from the vendor. Subscribe if you always want the latest version? Sure. Subscribe if you want continued support? Sure. But subscribe just because we won't let you buy an indefinite license to the software anymore even though it doesn't need to require any resources from the company after you do so? No, thanks.

You might want to read the fine print - the $19.99 p.m. is a limited time offer due to expire soon. At which point, students and teachers will have to pay more. How much is still a secret, but full whack is probably a safe bet.

It's not a secret. Read the terms. It's $29.99 after the $19.99 promo.

 

[mmcgann11]

One would think that as the beneficiaries of Quark blundering DRM on version 6 — which opened the door wide for InDesign — Adobe would have the brains to recognize how many people will just show them the door.

I have been doing the every other CS update since version 1 and currently use CS5. I would have been upgrading to CS7 with my new computer this year...but now, nope.

I'll miss InDesign and Photoshop, I suppose. But I'll find alternatives that are cost effective and that I own.