Adobe Retracts Claim Suggesting Lion May Lack Support for Flash Hardware Acceleration

Lopes said:
Sure, you can have that option. And you can have twelve boulders of granite affixed to your car on your way to the store to buy this flash compatible iPad, and let's see if you make there with enough gas. Have fun with that.

It's ABHORRENT that adobe's products haven't worked well with major Apple OS upgrades at time of release for years now. It's not like they're in the dark. The developer builds are out there. They can get **** together in time to at least have a coherent update schedule. Their press releases from yesterday are the equivalent of shrugging their shoulders, like they never saw Lion coming.
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Adobe's not entirely at fault for the current OS woes. Flash runs well enough on my computer WITH Lion. Apple only contributes by pushing Adobe farther away from even developing. We have no idea how far they've gotten with an Adobe Flash Player for iOS because it's never been released and all Steve says is "power consumption." Adobe's done great with developing Flash for Android.
 
Continuing the off-topic discussion of Flash on the iPad…
The way I see it is that Apple is simply endorsing and making use of one solution over another in the same way that they promote Thunderbolt over USB3 (or some other similar comparisons). In this case, they're promoting the lack of a particular product (Flash) in favor of their preferred solution (HTML5, it seems).

It's slightly cumbersome at first because Flash is widely used -- but becomes less and less so as votes for the HTML5 alternative are indirectly cast by iPad sales numbers and usage, which prompts wider change in the whole internet landscape -- and thus the lack of Flash becomes less and less cumbersome.

It takes time, but a happy evolution occurs separate from the obvious one (tablets becoming much more mainstream in society) -- it is that better alternatives to Flash become much more widespread, and people benefit regardless of which device they use.

I say: good for them.
 
bdkennedy1 said:
Seriously, do you guys stay on top of anything? Is the whole staff made up of middle-aged people that can't keep up?
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Actually, Adobe started to go into the crapper when they fired all the graybeards (who would've known better).

AppleScruff1 said:
And storing your location information?
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Apple didn't store your location information, they stored the location of cell towers. Look it up.

NameUndecided said:
The way I see it is that Apple is simply endorsing and making use of one solution over another in the same way that they promote Thunderbolt over USB3 (or some other similar comparisons).
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USB 3.0 will wind up in Macs when Intel includes support in their chipsets, and not until.
 
Well, how the hell about THAT? I thought that Adobe was being a tick hasty ... not to mention a bit pissy about the issue.

As was pointed out in the previous thread Adobe is a major developer, with just as much access to the Lion developer release as any other and way more resources than most. I am a graphics professional, and since the Adobe/Macromedia merger, Adobe is the 800 lb gorilla in design and publishing. With just a few exceptions, if you are not using the Creative Suite apps, you're not relevant as a professional.

But Adobe, since OS X, has treated Apple users like second class citizens. And part of it is the divergence in company cultures. Apple is relentlessly forward thinking, while Adobe is married to continuity and selling upgrades. The CS5.5 upgrade can cost nearly a $1K, while Lion, a full version OS upgrade, is $29. A difference in attitude, ya think?

I will say that as a designer I have a love/hate relationship with Flash. You can do some pretty things, but you have to be a Graphic and Motion Graphics Designer to make it look like anything, but also an object oriented left brain Programmer to make ActionScript DO anything useful. Not to mention that the Flash development environment is finicky and unforgiving. Make an error it's almost less hassle to trash your project and start over.

And Flash is ABSOLUTELY a memory and resource hog. If you pop open Activity Monitor and check out the Ram footprint of Firefox or Safari with Flash enabled and active. Then grab a YouTube video and watch the meters on your processors spike. It's really quite amazing. And that means more in an era where mobile computing, battery powered, is ascending.

I submit that you write applications to the OS, you don't cripple an OS to accommodate an inefficient and poorly optimized application. Apple (and Steve in particular) is almost RABID about not allowing any outside company to hold back their commitment to innovation.

I'd have to say that the responsibility to tidy things up falls squarely on Adobe this time around.
 
benthewraith said:
Adobe's not entirely at fault for the current OS woes. Flash runs well enough on my computer WITH Lion. Apple only contributes by pushing Adobe farther away from even developing. We have no idea how far they've gotten with an Adobe Flash Player for iOS because it's never been released and all Steve says is "power consumption." Adobe's done great with developing Flash for Android.
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Here's something Adobe could do: Why don't they get a jailbroken iOS device, develop Flash Player for it, and show it to everyone? Perhaps even release it on Cydia. That way everyone can see how well (or how poorly) it runs on iOS, and it even gives jailbreakers a chance to try it for themselves.

I also don't believe that Adobe has done a good job with Flash on Android. Even Adobe's CEO couldn't respond to Mossberg when he told him "I have yet to test a single [Android device] where Flash tests really well".
 
Benjamins said:
lol storing cell tower locations on YOUR iPhone do as much good for apple as your internet cache folder. :rolleyes:
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That isn't the point. They gathered the information without your knowledge and then pretended that they didn't know that the phone was doing it.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
That isn't the point. They gathered the information without your knowledge and then pretended that they didn't know that the phone was doing it.
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that's exactly the point. the system inadvertently stopped purging the cache. the cache on your phone. that never went anywhere except your phone.

or maybe millions of apple ninjas were hijacking everyone's phones at night and replacing them with identical units so they could steal the cache data... the data that your phone downloaded from apple?
 
Well glad I'm not crazy because I tested Flash content and videos with Lion today and it barely used any CPU.. wasn't sure what everyone was up in arms about.
 
ChainsawBuddha said:
Here's the problem. Regardless of where you stand on the issue Apple shouldn't restrict users from Flash. If I buy a product I should be able to use it how I want. They can choose not to pre-install it but I should still have the option. Adobe and Apple need to take a week long vacation together, make love and get back to where they were before. Steven just take them back.
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this is my view and i don't see why people voted thumb's down on your post, do apple fanboy's not like CHOICE?

sure flash eat's battery life, but if you don't want flash, you can simply turn it off. it seems some apple fans don't like choice, and liked to be restricted (just look at the bluray debate, apple fans trying to squirm there way out of it by saying "physical media is dead, downloading is the future :rolleyes: )

The reason why flash sucks on mac? well that lies down to apple not wanting to comunicate and help adobe create a better viewer experience with flash on mac. It works fantastically with windows, because window's help adobe to give window's users a better experience naturally. and that's what apple should be doing at the moment.

Despite what people may say, flash and physical media is not dead, they are still used by millions/billions of people and that won't change until internet get's faster, and download's become cheaper and developers stop using flash. why would i buy/rent a movie off itunes, when i can buy/rent it from a shop, at a much cheaper price, share it with my friends, sell it on when i don't want it etc.


adobe was silly in this case though, instead of building bridges they simply released false information tut tut tut :rolleyes:
 
stevensr123 said:
The reason why flash sucks on mac? well that lies down to apple not wanting to comunicate and help adobe create a better viewer experience with flash on mac. It works fantastically with windows, because window's help adobe to give window's users a better experience naturally. and that's what apple should be doing at the moment.
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Shantanu Narayen? Is that you? :p
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Kinda like Apple and the iPhone antenna issue? And storing your location information?
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I dont see the connection. On one hand you have a programming bug, which is present in all software, on the other hand you have adobe apparently using one system configuration and a pre-release of an operating system to write their support notes off. It sounds to me like this literally came from one person sitting at one machine inside adobe hq and noticing that his flash performance was not hardware accelerated and thus assuming that it was the case for every lion system out there.

As for the antenna issue, the fact that everyone is still using their ip4's with the same antenna sort of speaks about the actual scale of that problem.
 
RobBookPro said:
I dont see the connection. On one hand you have a programming bug, which is present in all software, on the other hand you have adobe apparently using one system configuration and a pre-release of an operating system to write their support notes off. It sounds to me like this literally came from one person sitting at one machine inside adobe hq and noticing that his flash performance was not hardware accelerated and thus assuming that it was the case for every lion system out there.

As for the antenna issue, the fact that everyone is still using their ip4's with the same antenna sort of speaks about the actual scale of that problem.
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I understand the logic on this forum, if Apple does it, it's ok and there are a million excuses. If any other company does it, they are incompetent, unprepared, copy cats, unprofessional, losers, lame, liars, thieves, sneaky, etc, etc. And anyone who points this out is a troll and hater. Have I got it right now?
 
Flash & iPad

I don't care what one thinks of the iPad or Flash -- but Flash is a very inconvenient omission on the iPad. I've had several, "Oh, this is just stupid" moments while using my iPad.
 
JAYnLA said:
I don't care what one thinks of the iPad or Flash -- but Flash is a very inconvenient omission on the iPad. I've had several, "Oh, this is just stupid" moments while using my iPad.
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So have I, many times. But we're not supposed to be disappointed. There is something wrong with us because we want flash.
 
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