Adobe works so closely with Apple that it fails to fully test it's products and releases a press statement ending up with egg on it's face! But we all know Apple really lacks full flash support. Adobe just doesn't seem to get it?
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Adobe Retracts Claim Suggesting Lion May Lack Support for Flash Hardware Acceleration
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G5isAlive
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good. more for the rest of us that could care less about Flash. so what DID you buy?
G5isAlive
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ummmm you don't have to be a hater to know Adobe really has egg on their face for putting out such an absolutely ridiculous statement that was only designed to be a childish slur on Lion. Like I care what Adobe thinks about Apple's scrolling preferences. But to not get right how the hardware works with your product? About as lame as it gets. I like some of their products (photoshop) but have to seriously question a company that displays such a serious lack of thought.
redsteven
macrumors 6502a
*LTD*
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aeaglex07
macrumors 6502
So money paying customers have no right to be dissatisfied with a product?
LOL
you sound like a Comcast CSR.
anyways every customer/user has the right to complain about their purchase. No matter how Steve spins it Flash is still a necessity, even on tablets and smartphones. Its nice that Youtube and a other large video sites are beginning to support other formats but there are plenty of sites that don't.
Flash isn't dead yet.
With that being said its hilarious that Adobe just got caught dragging their feet. I seriously wonder if they even tested their products on Lion, and their most recent response points to a big fat NO.
Now they claim they are working with Apple to enhance Flash and all that good banter we've heard before. Now wether or not Apple works with Adobe after they pinned all the blame on them is a different matter.
This is nothing but an embarrassment for Adobe, there's no way around it. But of course its not really a win for the average Mac user either.
Rubbish. Apple's no-Flash stance is not only a Huge win for Mac and iOS users, but also greatly benefits Playbook, Android, and WebOS users. Only because of Apple's no-Flash stance, a vast number of websites (especially video streaming ones) have developed Flash alternative sites, which run much better on these platforms (as in, saving hours of battery life, and not pumping up the fans on your laptops and desktops).
Apple is working for the benefit of the entire industry here (and especially for the benefit of open standards) and is getting crap from all these players (Google, RIM) who are greatly benefitting from Apple's stance.
whooleytoo
macrumors 604
Seems to me it's a storm in a teacup. Adobe never stated hardware acceleration was disabled in Lion (i.e. on all Macs), just that CPU utilisation issues may be related to disabled hardware acceleration - and there are/were hardware acceleration issues on one model.
In this case it seems the media just took one point and extrapolated it into news.
In this case it seems the media just took one point and extrapolated it into news.
aeaglex07
macrumors 6502
so true because the all might Steve Jobs says so... riiiiiiight.
Apple is the only one benefiting from this fight with Adobe ie more iTunes sales. Why would people buy movies and songs on their iPhones when they could have the media streamed via Flash?
Also there are still plenty of sites that haven't yet embraced HTML5. Just because Youtube gives you the option to stream in HTML5 doesn't automatically make it the new standard, which is why its still only an option.
While i loathe Flash for its crappy performance, it's still the standard across the web, no matter what Apple says.
BTW yeah its still bad for the average user, especially iOS users because we can't access alot of streaming media on our precious devices.
gnasher729
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Apple "changed their tune" when the internet, overrun by clueless idiots, found dangers that were never present. And while I can call many Apple customers and non-customers "clueless idiots", Apple can't do that because the clueless idiots pay the bills.
People were afraid that Apple was "tracking" them by storing location information on their phones - and completely ignored the fact that the stored information was information that Apple's servers had been sending to the phone in the first place, so if Apple wanted to track someone, they would store that information on their own servers.
"notalwaysright.com" is a nice site about customer stupidity. Like a customer refusing to give his email address because they were told that evil companies could use the email address to find out where they live and come to their home. Customer is then asked to give their home address instead so they can be contacted - and the same customer gives out their home address without a second thought.
But you just did!
xlii
macrumors 68000
I just gave this a try after reading your note. 13" MBP mid 2009 model. Tried out some youtube videos that I forced to flash. Highest CPU usage was 15% on a black & white video, the average CPU usage was just under 10%.
In the tech industry things evolve. You need to be able to move forward or lose ground. A few examples:
Floppy disk when the computer industry moved away from installing these many complained. Do you even miss your 5.25 floppy or 3.5 stiffy now?
Digital TV They US government had to intervene here. But for those of us who have made the transition. Do you really wish you could still receive that old analog signal and praise what a great viewing experience it was?
Incadesant lightbulb. Again the US government mandated this one die. I for one will not miss those energy hogging dimly lit bulbs.
The point is with all tech changes people will complain. Flash is no different. It is an old standard who's time is passing. Adobe has the resources to evolve they need to make the choice. They claim they are locked out of iOS, I say no wonder when they wrongly claim in a press release that Apple has disable key components in the new OS to make their software run poorly. Flash runs poorly because it is flash not because of any OS issues.
I like my computer to NOT be a toaster oven. It does not matter to me if it is plugged in or running on batteries. Flash makes it hot, uses power, and in general does not add to my user experience.
Floppy disk when the computer industry moved away from installing these many complained. Do you even miss your 5.25 floppy or 3.5 stiffy now?
Digital TV They US government had to intervene here. But for those of us who have made the transition. Do you really wish you could still receive that old analog signal and praise what a great viewing experience it was?
Incadesant lightbulb. Again the US government mandated this one die. I for one will not miss those energy hogging dimly lit bulbs.
The point is with all tech changes people will complain. Flash is no different. It is an old standard who's time is passing. Adobe has the resources to evolve they need to make the choice. They claim they are locked out of iOS, I say no wonder when they wrongly claim in a press release that Apple has disable key components in the new OS to make their software run poorly. Flash runs poorly because it is flash not because of any OS issues.
I like my computer to NOT be a toaster oven. It does not matter to me if it is plugged in or running on batteries. Flash makes it hot, uses power, and in general does not add to my user experience.
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Kebabselector
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mobi
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Anyone know if the Flash 11 beta sucks less power than 10? I saw CPU usage go down with 10, but it didn't seem to make all that much difference for battery life. No fan of Flash, but it does not seem to be going away (as many people have pointed out), and I have to use it on battery power for work quite a bit. Always looking for better performance.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
So I guess all the haters that suggested Adobe didn't run any tests on Lion developer previews can come here and now apologize for calling Adobe lazy.
*LTD*
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When did I say that? Way to dodge and weave around the point. You can be dissatisfied all you want, but Apple is not under any obligation to comply with every. little. gripe. you. have. Their priority, as with any/every company, is to improve their products in ways that make sense for most of their users (or most of their users in a particular area, eg: Active Directory over Novell as the primary third-party directory service). If there was sufficient drop in sales to warrant putting Flash in, they would. If there was sufficient complaints from their users, they would. The market dictates this. If there was sufficient risk to their stock value, they would. You think that your demand for Flash is an obvious priority number 1. Well, it might be for you, but it's clearly not for Apple. People are happy enough to buy non-Flash iOS devices, and not sufficiently unhappy to ditch them and switch, because the numbers just keep going up. Try and tell me otherwise. Your "showstopper" is your own, not everybody else's, and it's not Apple's. You have a problem with the no-Flash thing? You've got a choice: either leave or stay. It's completely in your power, you're under no obligation to stay, nobody's keeping you here, you have free will, and it's up to you to make the compromise you're prepared to live with. So the first person you can complain to is yourself, for making a choice you regret. You can then cry to the universe in general, write in your diary, post a strongly worded blog entry on your LiveJournal, but nobody, including Apple, is under any obligation do anything about it. Their end of the deal has been met: you give them money, they provide you that product as it was described at that point in time. The problem is, you think somebody has to listen to you and has to do something about it, when they don't. If you go, don't let the door hit you on the way out. If you stay, you have made a conscious decision that you have selected, chosen, decided that you prefer the non-Flash option. And buying with the expectation that they MUST put it in later is just ridiculous. You buy your products based on what they can do, not on what you imagine they must surely perhaps maybe be going to possibly do sometime in the near or distant future. And you knew going into it that there was no Flash, so you've bought a device that does not even meet your supposed "requirements". You want Flash on iOS, well maybe you just need to keep waiting for the next version, and the next, and the next.... So, by all means, complain all you want. But don't be surprised if nobody's there in the woods listening for your tree to fall.
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