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Adobe Suggests Disabled Hardware Acceleration for Flash Player in OS X Lion

danielo2 said:
I agree 100% i just pointed out that a correctly implemented flash player seems to work (just not youtube?) and that the settings bug has been known for months if not years.
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Flash works but h.264 video is no longer HW accelerated by the GPU so it uses more CPU.

Oh no, it is the end of the world!

AidenShaw said:
Isn't this totally Apple's fault for breaking APIs that existed in earlier versions?

It is so backwards to blame the application when the OS upgrade breaks it.
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If changes to APIs bring about security benefits, then it is Apple's fault for improving security.

Adobe has a lot on the go, they will catch up eventually.
 
AidenShaw said:
Isn't this totally Apple's fault for breaking APIs that existed in earlier versions?

It is so backwards to blame the application when the OS upgrade breaks it.




They wouldn't need to update it if Apple hadn't broken the APIs.

The developer previews are for:
  • Apple to figure out what Apple has broken, and fix it (AKA "beta")
  • Give developers a chance to enhance applications to exploit new features like Resume

It's not to allow Apple to break things left and right and force the developers to go back and "fix" applications that have been working fine for 5 or 6 years!
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Actually it is Adobe's fault too. They should have anticipated changes and at least tested their software. Also Flash has issues because its been nothing more than a constant patchwork to begin with. It was already broken way before Lion
 
munkery said:
Flash works but h.264 video is no longer HW accelerated by the GPU so it uses more CPU.

Oh no, it is the end of the world!
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It IS working thats my point i and Wovel just tested it on Lion GM and Release with 3 machines (10.2,10,3,11beta). H.264 inside flash (see my post) results for me :

Hardware off 130% cpu on a h.264/1080p
Hardware on 23%

Maybe its some video cards or something but this is not true for all combo's. And i suspect this is more adobe than apple. But as far as i can see my macs work the same before and after the Lion upgrade.

Daniel.
 
mrsir2009 said:
Cmon' Apple, start pushing HTML5 harder! I'd prefer it over flash any day.
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thats the problem, only Apple pushes it. Microsoft and Google and others are pushing their own codecs as open standards. Thus the need for Flash, its at least a standard delivery to every platform
 
danielo2 said:
It IS working thats my point i and Wovel just tested it on Lion GM and Release with 3 machines (10.2,10,3,11beta). H.264 inside flash (see my post) results for me :

Hardware off 130% cpu on a h.264/1080p
Hardware on 23%

Maybe its some video cards or something but this is not true for all combo's. And i suspect this is more adobe than apple. But as far as i can see my macs work the same before and after the Lion upgrade.

Daniel.
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Ok, sorry about that. Didn't realize you were talking about HW acceleration. I thought you were talking about Flash.

It is understandable that betas would more likely have the feature fixed for some GPUs as Adobe catches up to the changes.
 
frankjl said:
Funny thing is.

Flash is wonderful on my windows machine.

I know a lot of you follow the leader "steve jobs" and say/do wha the says.

A few years ago I bet the ones yapping loudly against flash are the same ones that glorified flash for how cool it was.

Flash on mac is not only a adobe problem. TRUST ME.

The only reason why apple is against flsh is because they cant tax it.
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ROFLMAO. That was beautiful. Need a pinch to wake up? :rolleyes:
 
munkery said:
Ok, sorry about that. Didn't realize you were talking about HW acceleration. I thought you were talking about Flash.

It is understandable that betas would more likely have the feature fixed for some GPUs as Adobe catches up to the changes.
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Thats fine, btw 10.2 and 10.3 where non beta's and they worked fine too. In fact i just installed 11beta to see if they fixed the other bug (settings bug) as they hinted in their bugtracker but nope not fixed in 11 either. Good that i found the fullscreen trick since no access to camera/mic settings was ehmm no fun.

Daniel.
 
danielo2 said:
Thats fine, btw 10.2 and 10.3 where non beta's and they worked fine too. In fact i just installed 11beta to see if they fixed the other bug (settings bug) as they hinted in their bugtracker but nope not fixed in 11 either. Good that i found the fullscreen trick since no access to camera/mic settings was ehmm no fun.

Daniel.
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I got a prompt during installation of Flash stating that 10.3 was beta for Lion?
 
munkery said:
If changes to APIs bring about security benefits, then it is Apple's fault for improving security.
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I agree that the case of an incompatible API change to fix a security bug is justified.

Of course, there's no evidence one way or the other on that one.

And, of course, the user-friendly thing to do would be to pop up a dialog saying

[The application XXXX has used a feature that has been disabled for security reasons, please contact vendor YYYY for an update.]​
 
munkery said:
I got a prompt during installation of Flash stating that 10.3 was beta for Lion?
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Oops yes forgot about that, they had a special warning. My point was i could not see any difference between the 10.2, 10.3 and the full beta release of flash player 11 they did last week (at least in this area).

Daniel.

PS: if its only on several video cards then i might be upset when i get my i7 based macbook air :(
 
There was definitely something going yesterday. I had installed Lion in the morning before going to a meeting and my MBP was hitting nearly 80C, the killflash switch solved it by still wtf.
 
eliehass said:
I'm sorry, but this is just sad. Adobe is not some small no name developer. Apple has put out pre-release development builds of Lion for a while before its release. Adobe had plenty of time to put out a Lion compatible update. These comments make it sound like Adobe is just thinking about the implications of Lion now, after it's official release. They seriously dropped the ball here...
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I use a few Adobe products (Illustrator, Photoshop, etc.), and like Flash, they are all beastly resource hogs and slow. Adobe had better get a better game going, or they'll be used in the same sentence with WordPerfect Corp, Novell and others.
 
AidenShaw said:
I agree that the case of an incompatible API change to fix a security bug is justified.

Of course, there's no evidence one way or the other on that one.
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QTKit has been cited as a security risk due to the way it handles IPC.

Now, QTKit has been replaced by AVFoundation and IPC has been further secured via XPC to sandbox IPC.

Seems to fit like lego.
 
Choices

The Flash Platform is more than just web video!

I have been developing on and for the Apple since the Apple II breadboard days, through the Insanely Great days, and now to the Just Insane days.

If Apple made automobiles, they would be the greatest automobiles on the planet, just that the radio would only play Steve Jobs latest playlist.
 
It would be really good if Apple put developer previews out for their OS releases, so they don't keep catching Adobe unawares.
 
parapup said:
Users don't have to care about that crap - As much as it is Adobe and Microsoft's responsibility to verify their software works - it is also Apple's to not break stuff left and right in a $29 Lipstick update.

Heck Apple can't even get their stuff working properly and people are calling Adobe lazy etc. Just had keyboard become unresponsive - timesucking machine is all over the place and <drumroll> Time Machine Error! (null).

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That defect was there under Snow Leopard.
 
Taz Mangus said:
No one is forcing you to buy anything Apple. Please don't, by all means, since you clearly indicate that you are so dis-satisified with Steve Jobs and the Apple clan. In fact, no one is forcing you to be at this website either. Maybe a nice Adobe-centric website would serve you better since you seem to be so enamored with Adobe. Better yet, a Windows-centric website might even be better for you as you can discuss, to your hearts content, how you "have on old Windows XP computer with a Pentium 4 that still handles flash without any problems at all."

If you have not figured it out yet, this is a Mac-centric website. Hence, there will be people enamored with Apple products visting and posting here. This is why it is a Apple-centric website. What a concept, people actually buy Apple products because they love how they work. Sorry can't say the same of any Adobe product I have owned.

If it were not for forwarding thinking companies like Apple we would still probably be using floppy disks. Adobe is the floppy disks of the software world. It is time to move on.

What is it with the anti-Apple people that post at this website. I don't go to Adobe or Windows websites and stir up trouble there. Not a cool thing to do here either.
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Who said I don't own Apple products?? Perhaps I don't fit the mold. Perhaps I see room for improvement, especially on things that have worked flawlessly for years on products by supposed lesser companies. If flash can run fine on a 10 year old Windows machine, I can't help believe that the almighty Steve couldn't do the same on a Mac. If you want to be an Apple apologist, that's your choice. Some people use BluRay. And flash. And heaven forbid, USB 3 and fingerprint readers. But of course expressing a desire to have those features on this forum makes one a troll and hater. After all, the only thing anyone should care about is that Apple makes a huge profit. :rolleyes:

I know how Apple loyalists think. If Steve decided that internet access was bad and removed the ability from all Macs to be able to go online, everyone would be saying how stupid the internet is, even though 5 billion other people used it constantly.
 
paradox00 said:
So... what did Adobe do during the year that the beta was available?
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Exactly! I think the translation is, "Apple changed so many things to improve the user experience, our twenty year old code base broke. We don't want to spend engineering time, even outsourced, on this and just want to college money."
 
speculation, though

munkery said:
QTKit has been cited as a security risk due to the way it handles IPC.

Now, QTKit has been replaced by AVFoundation and IPC has been further secured via XPC to sandbox IPC.

Seems to fit like lego.
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Do the Lion release notes mention QTKit being removed/modified?

That would fit like lego, otherwise it's just a sand castle waiting for a wave. ;)

And, in any event, the appropriate thing for Apple to do is to ensure that there's a clear error message (at least clear to the developers) when any attempt is made to use the modified API.

[Unable to locate %SystemRoot%\System32\QTkit.DLL]​
 
AppleScruff1 said:
I don't doubt what you've linked to, I was just stating that we have an old machine running XP and that flash works fine. I find it odd that it's not possible with OSX.
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Flash works fine in OS X as well. It is just no longer hardware accelerated for some GPUs in Lion.

I bet you can find similar exceptions in Flash's history that affect Windows.

This issue is not really an issue. Adobe will fix it in a couple of releases.
 
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