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Adobe Testing MacBook Air-Optimized Version of Flash Player

And Adobe should directly address hardware because...

Now that Windows is getting more secure -- it could hardly have gotten worse -- along comes Adobe, with more zero-day exploits and malware than Windows for the past couple of years -- and now they're poking around in the hardware APIs? Now, there you can REALLY screw up.
 
pyramid6 said:
Yes, so? HTML5 is still not going to get adopted, we're going to have fragmented browser support, and we will be in the same position we will are in next year. The W3C allowed companies to come in a prevent the adoption of HTML5. Right now, HTML5 is not the answer. There is no good answer. Flash is still going to be the answer if you want support for 95% of the browsers and want things like sockets, microphones, cameras, persistent storage and video support. It sucks, but that is the world we live in.

I'm not pissed at Adobe for being a large coorpperation, I'm pissed that HTML5 is being hijacked by large coorperations, like Mozilla, MPEGLA, Apple, and yes Adobe.
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Are you seriously claiming that HTML5 adoption hasn't been a massive success in the last year? In May almost no web videos would play on my iPad. Today, I need to go out of my way to find a site that hasn't adopted HTML5 for video playback when an iDevice is detected.
All of the sites I regularly visit support HTML5 today.
 
I looked at this post, and thought.. good! this is good. good job adobe.

then I laughed when I read the comments, because 90% were negative angry upset comments about how evil adobe is...
 
err404 said:
Are you seriously claiming that HTML5 adoption hasn't been a massive success in the last year? In May almost no web videos would play on my iPad. Today, I need to go out of my way to find a site that hasn't adopted HTML5 for video playback when an iDevice is detected.
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Your browser (specifically WebKit) supports the video tag and H.264 encoded video. The W3C has not set a specific video format, thanks in no small part to Apple, Mozilla, Adobe and others. HTML5 is still in draft form and could change the video tag to support WebM or Vorbis and only WebM or Vorbis. The browsers and the specification are riddled with these issues. I wouldn't say they adopted HTML5, I would say they support some of the draft specifications. Maybe it's just semantics. Try to play a H.264 video in Firefox without add-ons.
 
pyramid6 said:
Your browser (specifically WebKit) supports the video tag and H.264 encoded video. The W3C has not set a specific video format, thanks in no small part to Apple, Mozilla, Adobe and others. HTML5 is still in draft form and could change the video tag to support WebM or Vorbis and only WebM or Vorbis. The browsers and the specification are riddled with these issues. I wouldn't say they adopted HTML5, I would say they support some of the draft specifications. Maybe it's just semantics. Try to play a H.264 video in Firefox with out add-ons.
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I just tried. HTML5 video played fine in stock Firefox.
 
Mattsasa said:
I looked at this post, and thought.. good! this is good. good job adobe.

then I laughed when I read the comments, because 90% were negative angry upset comments about how evil adobe is...
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Completely agree!

Discussing Adobe or Flash on MR is like discussing Obama on Fox News.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
People in prior Flash debates have brought this up, but nobody wants to acknowledge this because it points the finger back at Apple. Bottom line is this, Apple and Adobe need to learn to play nice or not play at all. Other Vendors work together it seems as though with Apple you are either Steves follower or you are against him.
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Please let us know when Flash started using hardware acceleration on Windows, the OS from the supposedly friendly vendor. If your answer is less than 1 year, that means this access to hardware talk is just a convenient excuse, as Flash has been on the slow side for far longer than that. Some companies are unable to produce efficient software, it seems Adobe is one of those at least when it comes to Flash.
 
Adobe should release two different versions of the Flash plug-in for users.

FlashVideo and just Flash.

The FlashVideo can be the version that's out right now that plays videos and everything.

Then the other Flash plug-in can be for everything that Flash can do except video. Moving around vector objects, text and bitmap objects should not make the fans turn and excessively drain the battery.
 
pyramid6 said:
Flash is still going to be the answer if you want support for 95% of the browsers and want things like sockets, microphones, cameras, persistent storage and video support. It sucks, but that is the world we live in.
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I guess you mean 95% of desktop browsers... Mobile browsing is getting more significant everyday.
 
UTclassof89 said:
Completely agree!

Discussing Adobe or Flash on MR is like discussing Obama on Fox News.
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+1 but it's a good reading, otherwise we wouldn't comment, would we? :D

a bit off-topic....

is anybody experiencing slowness in safari while using google, either search results or images results?
 
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pyramid6 said:
It doesn't matter who is trying to stop it.

I think you mean Adobe is doing what they can to protect their revenue. They get a lot of money from Flash developers.

I am not saying Adobe are saints, far from it, I just don't understand how people can't understand how a company might have more interests in making money.
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The problem is, Flash is fat and extraneous. With HTML 5, you can establish an open standard. The hardware maker can embed the optimization for H.264 -- or its successors, if something is smaller and better quality -- in its firmware, and the code can just say, <video>. Light and getting lighter.

If you've made your money in Flash, it's coming to an end. It's like being a record executive.
 
I like how no one complained about flash until Steve Jobs opened his pie hole last year.

BRLawyer said:
As I predicted a year ago, Flash will be DEAD in no time...it's become more and more irrelevant with the passing of each day; thanks to SJ, of course.
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Flash is more popular than ever. You predicted nothing.
 
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Jookbox said:
I like how no one complained about flash until Steve Jobs opened his pie hole last year.
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Maybe no one publicly has voiced it before Steve, or maybe someone has but isn't well known like Steve.

I've said negative things about Flash before Steve did, but in comparison I'm a nobody so no one heard me. :rolleyes:
 
nagromme said:
I’m glad. Sounds worth doing. For all Adobe’s empty and misleading public comments, they also are clearly doing real work to gradually improve some of the years-long problems with Flash (which go back before Adobe even owned it).

But as they work on improving security holes, crashes, battery drain and performance, I will keep in mind: video is not all Flash is, and not all Flash video (probably not even most) is H.264. Flash animation—in fact, Flash simply being on the screen doing nothing—also drains battery.

My fans came on right now, for a Flash ad that has already stopped moving. When you need that much CPU power to do nothing, something is amiss!

I hope Adobe ultimately succeeds in making Flash as good as we wish it was. If not, I hope they make Flash (or Flash-like tools) a truly excellent, complete tool for HTML 5. (Because until somebody does that, Flash is here to stay—maybe no longer as widespread and vital, but it will be around because it’s cheap to develop for.)
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Considering HTML5 requires no specific developing environment, in fact you could code an entire HTML5 page in notepad or text edit, i find it hard to believe that flash is cheap to develop for, considering you have to pay $700 for the flash developing environment alone.
 
Swift said:
With HTML 5, you can establish an open standard..
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The key being CAN have has. HTML5 is just a complete mess still with so many different sections still completely undefined and unsupported.

Just take a look at trying to code drag and drop file access using HTML5 and you will see how crap support is for it and then how undefined the standard really is.
 
Jookbox said:
I like how no one complained about flash until Steve Jobs opened his pie hole last year.
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Maybe you just never noticed. People were definitely complaining. Especially, about Flash on a Mac. I've been blocking Flash for 5 or 6 years. Well before Apple took a stance. My initial reason for avoiding it were privacy and security concerns.
 
Swift said:
The problem is, Flash is fat and extraneous. With HTML 5, you can establish an open standard. The hardware maker can embed the optimization for H.264 -- or its successors, if something is smaller and better quality -- in its firmware, and the code can just say, <video>. Light and getting lighter.

If you've made your money in Flash, it's coming to an end. It's like being a record executive.
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No sure I follow you on the video thing, but I get the gist. I make my money on HTML and other technologies. That's why it pisses me off about HTML5. I don't want Flash to go away. Flash getting better will make HTML better, because HTML will have to compete.
 
BRLawyer said:
As I predicted a year ago, Flash will be DEAD in no time...it's become more and more irrelevant with the passing of each day; thanks to SJ, of course.
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Err...how so? It seems the grand majority has this illusion that flash is just video and ads. It boggles the mind how this comes up time and time again. Until a suitable replacement or replacements comes out that does what Flash does, flash and all its resource hogging, crashing, security concerned problems is here to stay.

Question though: once (and if) HTML5 replaces Flash for ads, how do we stop the ads from polluting our browsers?
 
peppermonkey said:
Err...how so? It seems the grand majority has this illusion that flash is just video and ads. It boggles the mind how this comes up time and time again. Until a suitable replacement or replacements comes out that does all that Flash does, flash and all its resource hogging, crashing, security concerned problems is here to stay.

Question though: once (and if) HTML5 replaces Flash for ads, how do we stop the ads from polluting our browsers?
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By blocking the applicable tags or content types, usually by server of origin. Same as we do now. Just like your every day image blocker. Or adblock.
 
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