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Yes, the cloud part is quite good as long as you have enough space there (the 20gig plan that was temporarily removed is eaten fast). You can have smart previews stored locally (or only in the cloud if you prefer) and you work on them on mobile or desktop. The original files are in the cloud and can also be set to automatically or manually download to your computer, a NAS or an external drive.

How is it different than Box/Dropbox/Google Drive/iCloud Drive? What does it offer that all the other, general purpose, shared storage accounts do not offer?

I currently have 2TB on iCloud, and about 24TB on Dropbox. Why would I want to switch?
 
I hate the subscription model for software. I hanged on Adobe CS6 for as long as I could but last year I had to give up for CC because I could no longer keep up with my industry need to have the latest software.
CC is great, and luckily my wife is a teacher, and I can use her credentials to get the Edu discount. For the first year, I paid monthly $19.99 for the master suite. My plan expired earlier this year, and I called to cancel, and Adobe offered me another year at the intro price.
I wish I could go to different software, but the whole creative industry is very much tied to Adobe. Trying using other software just won't work. Yes for some folks maybe.
We are stuck unfortunately and Adobe knows it very well.
 
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How is it different than Box/Dropbox/Google Drive/iCloud Drive? What does it offer that all the other, general purpose, shared storage accounts do not offer?

I currently have 2TB on iCloud, and about 24TB on Dropbox. Why would I want to switch?
edits stay in sync. With other services you have to export to, then import, edit, export back out. Depending on your workflow and the amount of photos you have it can be a real pain.
I just contacted the affinity devs about this, how to go about moving from mac to ipad and back and they sent me the lengthy procedure.

With adobe it's all automatic. Everything and all edits stay in sync across devices making it quick and easy to move back and forth.
 
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The comments are going to be filled with a lot of upset users.

Photographer: Doesn't blink at spending $1500-5000 on a new lens, or $3000-5000 on a new camera body, or $300-800 on a new tripod, or $400-900 on a new flash, or $150 a pop on new UHS-II SD cards, or $800-3000 on a Thunderbolt RAID setup and SSDs, or $3000-7000 on a new Mac, or $800-2000 on a second and third display, or thousands of dollars on lighting equipment and backdrops and travel and paying models and grips.

Also photographer: Freaks out at having to pay Adobe a couple hundred bucks a year to edit, organize, share, and store all of their photos.

Y'all suck.
You make a good point. If you are a pro the cost of Adobe is not a big deal. I think most of the annoyed comments here comes form hobbyists, students, etc. P
 
You make a good point. If you are a pro the cost of Adobe is not a big deal. I think most of the annoyed comments here comes form hobbyists, students, etc. P

and there are lots of great single purchase options for those people nowadays. It's not 2005 anymore.

Any freelancer or pro most likely wasn't on the $9.99 plan anyways.

and the $9.99 plan is still there.
 
Capture One Pro v12 is already better than Lightroom

Affinity Photo almost there

I tried LR but it is terrible, I need to be able to utilize tools like healing, cloning and cropping and I can ditch Photoshop altogether. Capture One is almost there but tethering is state of the art and has been for a few years.
 
and there are lots of great single purchase options for those people nowadays. It's not 2005 anymore.

Why is it then so hard to name at least *one* useable replacement for Lightroom's DAM features? I don't care for Photoshop. The last useable version of it was cs3.
 
edits stay in sync. With other services you have to export to, then import, edit, export back out.

With Box/Dropbox/iCloud Drive, the system supports auto sync (so it looks like local storage, but is automatically synced to the cloud). Why does that not work with Photoshop? It works with Premiere Pro and AfterEffects, so I am curious.

I just contacted the affinity devs about this, how to go about moving from mac to ipad and back and they sent me the lengthy procedure.

My fiancée uses iCloud Drive on both his iMac Pro and his iPad Pro and has Affinity Photo on both. He does not have to do anything to open a file with either version of the application on either device. I am curious what they are telling you to do.

With adobe it's all automatic. Everything and all edits stay in sync across devices making it quick and easy to move back and forth.

Does it let you have the file open on more than one device at once, or does it need to be closed on one before you can open on the other? Just to clarify, do you have/use Dropbox or iCloud Drive on your Mac/iPad?
 
I’m saying for someone who loves it and uses it. Seems like a non factor.

You are making three assumptions: 1) those who are complaining love it. 2) those who are complaining use it regularly and 3) that no one should care about $240 a year. I think all three assumptions are false.

Many of those who are complaining are unhappy with the software itself (people talk about bloat, bad UI, etc.) and have been unhappy about it for a while. Second, many of those who are upset are only hobbyists and use the software sporadically. Finally, for many who are not wealthy, $240 is a lot of money. While it may not be a lot to you, it is for others.
 
Wow, reading all these posts noticing all the saber rattling about the price increase one point became very clear. In general photographers are more in love with their computer graphic skills (PP manipulation) relying more on their computer and software than their photography skills.

Unless one is in a company that standardized on Adobe lives or dies by Adobe, then you as an amateur enthusiast photographer get a grip, photography is about photography not your computer graphics skills.

When I talk with photographers 80% of what I hear is: I can fix it in post, I shoot raw the software can correct white balance errors, and the like. The other 20% is all about gear, rarely if ever do I hear them talking about photography skills tips and techniques in the field. Some do not know an f/stop from a bus stop, cannot figure out reciprocals, yet think they are great photographers all because they think they are masters of software.
 
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Try Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer and soon Affinity Publisher
They are all on the App Store, so powerful that they rival the Adobe products and a fraction of the price.
Adobe are NOT alone in this and do not have the only products that can achieve powerful results.
https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
I would love to, but so far as I know Aperture and Lightroom are the only full fledged Digital Asset Management (DAM) apps. I have several TBs worth of Aperture libraries with thousands of Projects, Albums, Flagged photos, etc. etc.
I'd love to avoid having to port everything to Lightroom - I have tried starting to use Lightroom Classic or the not so classic iPad also version numerous times and have given up - Aperture is much faster, more straight forward, and an actual native Mac app.
Affinity at least started out as Mac only, has a very good reputation, but they the best I could determine they are just polling about the possibility of creating a DAM - they certainly haven't said that Affinity Publisher is an Aperture substitute DAM.

Please let me know if I am wrong about this
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I sincerely doubt there are enough active Aperture users left to make a difference. Adobe did a huge push for Aperture users when Apple first ended development. Probably very very few users left to make it worthwhile.
I still use Aperture - I've tried switching to Lightroom a number of times, but Aperture is just better, faster, more straight forward, a user friendly native Mac app.
 
The comments are going to be filled with a lot of upset users.

Photographer: Doesn't blink at spending $1500-5000 on a new lens, or $3000-5000 on a new camera body, or $300-800 on a new tripod, or $400-900 on a new flash, or $150 a pop on new UHS-II SD cards, or $800-3000 on a Thunderbolt RAID setup and SSDs, or $3000-7000 on a new Mac, or $800-2000 on a second and third display, or thousands of dollars on lighting equipment and backdrops and travel and paying models and grips.

Also photographer: Freaks out at having to pay Adobe a couple hundred bucks a year to edit, organize, share, and store all of their photos.

Y'all suck.

This is a specious argument.

Bear in mind the cost of lenses is a one time purchase, and lasts for years. No one is subscribing to ever-increasing monthly rents on lenses just to use them.
 
With Box/Dropbox/iCloud Drive, the system supports auto sync (so it looks like local storage, but is automatically synced to the cloud). Why does that not work with Photoshop? It works with Premiere Pro and AfterEffects, so I am curious.
We don't use photoshop so I can't speak to that. But with lightroom and working with hundreds if not thousands of photos opening directly from cloud storage can be laggy and time consuming each time you open it. So importing is better IMO. Lightroom with creative cloud just seems to be much faster at this. And you'd want to import if you don't have an internet connection as well. For times when you may take your ipad on the go which is a common scenario for us. There are a number of ways to accomplish this of course.

My fiancée uses iCloud Drive on both his iMac Pro and his iPad Pro and has Affinity Photo on both. He does not have to do anything to open a file with either version of the application on either device. I am curious what they are telling you to do.
Yes, you can just open it and leave it in the cloud storage. This is fine if you're working with fewer files. For more files, or larger files you may want to import in to the app. Or if you don't want the original altered you would also import in to the app.
Their directions are about opening from cloud storage or importing and how to do either.

Does it let you have the file open on more than one device at once, or does it need to be closed on one before you can open on the other? Just to clarify, do you have/use Dropbox or iCloud Drive on your Mac/iPad?
No clue. Never tried this. We have icloud drive. Well we have them all but that's what we use. And adobe cloud when working on a project.

This explains more technical details of what's going on with creative cloud: https://blogs.adobe.com/creativeclo...how-adobe-creativesync-will-save-your-assets/
 
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Got away from Adobe a while ago in favor of Affinity and pixelmator, hasn't looked back, this new subscription trend is bull.
 
These people are extremely misguided in their monetization strategy. Bordering on evil.
 



Adobe today quietly debuted new pricing for its Photography bundle, which has long been available for $9.99 per month. Starting today, Adobe's website is listing a price tag of $19.99 per month, which is double the previous price.

The bundle includes access to Photoshop CC, Lightroom CC, and Lightroom Classic, and is aimed at photographers. In a statement provided to PetaPixel, Adobe said that it is testing new pricing tiers.

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Most users appear to be seeing the updated pricing on the Adobe website, but there is a hidden section of the site where one can still purchase the Photography plan for $9.99 per month.

The new plan does offer 1TB of storage instead of 20GB of storage, but for those who do not use Adobe storage, the new pricing doubles the cost with no added benefit.

It is not clear if Adobe is planning permanent pricing changes for its Photography plan or if prices are going to change for existing subscribers in the future. If you previously signed up for the Photography option, you're likely paying $9.99 per month at the current time.

Adobe offers other plans, pricing a single app at $20.99 and access to all apps at $52.99 per month, but it has offered the lower-cost $9.99 per month Photography plan option since 2013.

Article Link: Adobe Tests Doubling the Price of Photography Plan With Photoshop and Lightroom
tThe inly abo it is nearly fair PS and Lightroom for 9.99. don’t destroy it.
 
It is simple. Doubling the price means that for some, non-pro users, it now exceeds the value they receive.

Right, and I’ve got 34 years worth of Photoshop and Illustrator files I’d like to keep accessing. This must be what it feels like to be held up.
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I hate the subscription model for software. I hanged on Adobe CS6 for as long as I could but last year I had to give up for CC because I could no longer keep up with my industry need to have the latest software.
CC is great, and luckily my wife is a teacher, and I can use her credentials to get the Edu discount. For the first year, I paid monthly $19.99 for the master suite. My plan expired earlier this year, and I called to cancel, and Adobe offered me another year at the intro price.
I wish I could go to different software, but the whole creative industry is very much tied to Adobe. Trying using other software just won't work. Yes for some folks maybe.
We are stuck unfortunately and Adobe knows it very well.

Not completely. Affinity will read native psd and ai files and all the other major formats.
You can save or export in a plethora of file formats.
For print, any decent printer takes pdf files, if they don’t find a new printer asap.
I thought I was tied also but the more I use/learn Affinity application I’ve found it’s just not true.
At one time the creative industry seemed tied to Quark XPress also. Quickly proved false.
 
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This. I'm a graphic designer and I pay my bills using Adobe software. I pay $52 a month, but it pays for itself during the first hour of usage alone. Don't tell them but I'd pay $100 without complaint.

Fair for corporate/business use. I've spend more than I'd care to count on my camera gear but have earned somewhere around $200 from a few prints I've sold. Raising prices is tolerable, doubling the price is ridiculous.
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These are PROFESSIONAL TOOLS and should cost as such. I never hear people complaining that a good table saw is $900+ or a decent camera can be over $3000. Anyone who is complaining was probably pirating Photoshop to begin with and I have zero sympathy. Affinity Photo is $50 and its fantastic.

If the Photo plan should have been priced at $20 it should have been priced as such from the beginning. A doubling of cost form $10 to $20 at an arbitrary time is nothing other than price gouging.
 
I refuse to pay a subscription for applications. I don't even like to buy digital programs that are a one-time purchase.
 
If the Photo plan should have been priced at $20 it should have been priced as such from the beginning. A doubling of cost form $10 to $20 at an arbitrary time is nothing other than price gouging.
It was $20 in the beginning. Then they put it on sale at $10 and it just stuck ever since. For the record, $20/month is not price gouging. It's what Photoshop CS6+Lightroom+upgrades used to cost when you divide it by 12. Literally nothing changed when they moved to subscription except the addition of free storage, and a price drop of 50%.
 
It was $20 in the beginning. Then they put it on sale at $10 and it just stuck ever since. For the record, $20/month is not price gouging. It's what Photoshop CS6+Lightroom+upgrades used to cost when you divide it by 12. Literally nothing changed when they moved to subscription except the addition of free storage, and a price drop of 50%.

Yes something changed - you couldn't anymore get Lightroom alone, that was pretty cheap to own till then. **** Photoshop - I don't get why anyone here is so fixated at this pile of crap.
 
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