Adobe to End Development on Flash-to-iPhone Compiler in Wake of Apple License Change

[ct2k7]

So basically you like Flash because you are a developer unable to ... develop.
Interesting point of view

BTW if Flash crashes on Macs IT IS Adobe's fault, because Apple can't do anything on Flash player code.
And when you keep saying that Flash is just fine on other platforms (like Windows), you are plain wrong: Flash is crapware everywhere. Under Windows it's simply "less crapware" ...

No, it is realising the limitations of HTML5, and using Flash as a creativity tool. Are you now telling me that you use code to make a design element? You obviously are.

Adobe have been unable to do their best on Apple's platform due to Apple's restrictions. You just don't like Adobe's Flash, I understand that. There are other people who have great uses for Flash, but you can't understand that.

 

[gustavopi]

Will be better this way

Flash and iPhone OS are very powerfull things, and it will "never" walk together. For years I wait for a Flash Player that works in one of my cell phones. But Flash is to heavy - Adobe couldn't do it. AS3 is cool, you develop in a half time than other way using Adobe CS, but it will never work good on smartphones.

Here in Brazil, people were surprised with the speed and stability of ipad. There is a price for this - not heavy stuffs like Flash.

In the other hand, I can now focus on developing in Flash for desktops / notebooks and using something more appropriate for iPhones, iPads and Smartphones.

This allready happens before with Java. Things will be better.

 

[gigi1701]

Flash and iPhone OS are very powerfull things, and it will "never" walk together. For years I wait for a Flash Player that works in one of my cell phones. But Flash is to heavy - Adobe couldn't do it. AS3 is cool, you develop in a half time than other way using Adobe CS, but it will never work good on smartphones.

Here in Brazil, people were surprised with the speed and stability of ipad. There is a price for this - not heavy stuffs like Flash.

In the other hand, I can now focus on developing in Flash for desktops / notebooks and using something more appropriate for iPhones, iPads and Smartphones.

This allready happens before with Java. Things will be better.

Words of wisdom. Thank you!

 

[Max(IT)]

No...

Reality is that iPhone is a phone - as in mobile smart TELEPHONE and as such is very good product specially when coupled with handful of decent apps...

Reality is also that iPad is, or suppose to be at least, NETBOOK replacement/ killer and is advertised as best device to browse the net on...

Reality is that it can't display half of the net out there...

Reality is also that way more than 75 million people are bit smarter than average Steve fanboi and are holding on to their cash which they will spend on much better (and most probably cheaper too) device!

Reality man!

REALITY

OMG! it can't display HALF OF THE NET....
speaking about reality ...

It can't display only contents created with that crapware

 

[Max(IT)]

What sort of web access?

Email? Checking weather report? Latest news?

In any case see that number drops very soon indeed since, as I said before, there are much more normal intelligent human beings who will spend their money on cheaper and better devices able to display REAL (and whole) WEB instead of blue lego boxes scattered about little draconian Steve bubble - or indeed bathtub

Last time I checked, that number was GROWING at a quite fast pace, dude. And iPad is going to gain more market share, no matter how much you whine ...

 

[Max(IT)]

I suppose you never visit any entertainment sites, or sports sites, or art sites, or game sites, or Disney or even Pixar...?

Or you are just happy with the mobile versions and web-lite? Have another Kool-Aid.

Very interesting : this is your idea of "modern web browsing". Disney's website is one of the world' worst designed site. And you forgot to mention the "terrific" FarmVille ...
yes, you definitely need Flash crapware, dude ...

BTW, Are you 12-13 years old ? Or are you just trolling around ?

 

[ct2k7]

Very interesting : this is your idea of "modern web browsing". Disney's website is one of the world' worst designed site. And you forgot to mention the "terrific" FarmVille ...
yes, you definitely need Flash crapware, dude ...

BTW, Are you 12-13 years old ? Or are you just trolling around ?

Not everyone uses FarmVille, only those who have way too much time on their hands to be bothered with doing real work.

 

[ChazUK]

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I suppose you never visit any entertainment sites, or sports sites, or art sites, or game sites, or Disney or even Pixar...?

Or you are just happy with the mobile versions and web-lite? Have another Kool-Aid.

Very interesting : this is your idea of "modern web browsing". Disney's website is one of the world' worst designed site. And you forgot to mention the "terrific" FarmVille ...
yes, you definitely need Flash crapware, dude ...

BTW, Are you 12-13 years old ? Or are you just trolling around ?

The Disney website is simple enough to use for my daughter. She manages to navigate round it and use plenty of content on it and it all performs well enough on my iMac and Hackintosh.



What is wrong with it exactly? It more than serves its purpose. That alongside Nick Jr, Cbeebies, Milkshake and all of the other sites she uses that are designed for children.

 

[stevensr123]

I'm getting a bit **** sick of this apple vs Adobe crap. Why can't Apple do the RIGHT thing and give consumers the OPTION to use flash or not. If it's crap then at least we (the consumers) can see that for ourselves and not have apple make the decision for us.

 

[Otaviano]

I'm getting a bit **** sick of this apple vs Adobe crap. Why can't Apple do the RIGHT thing and give consumers the OPTION to use flash or not. If it's crap then at least we (the consumers) can see that for ourselves and not have apple make the decision for us.

Sometimes you need to force people technology to move forward, otherwise an average technology can become stagnant. Look at the automobile, they should have started trying to evolve past gasoline back in the 90's but gas was cheap and no one cared.

As far as I'm concerned when Flash becomes a development tool that is used strictly to export into canvas, and we live in a plug-in free environment then we will be in a much better place.

 

[stevensr123]

Sometimes you need to force people technology to move forward, otherwise an average technology can become stagnant. Look at the automobile, they should have started trying to evolve past gasoline back in the 90's but gas was cheap and no one cared.

As far as I'm concerned when Flash becomes a development tool that is used strictly to export into canvas, and we live in a plug-in free environment then we will be in a much better place.

But if apple give people the chance to see for themselves how poor flash would be on the ipad/iphone then it's a win-win situation, the haters will stop hating and some people will realize how poor flash is.

Adobe has also gotten lazy, they need to seriously improve flash otherwise it really could go bust one day. what can apple possibly lose by adding the option of flash? the answer is nothing.

 

[AidenShaw]

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[thatrandomguy]

what can apple possibly lose by adding the option of flash? the answer is nothing.

Apple's reasoning is that you're going to end up with a bloated, slow plugin in Safari, and it'll lead to a poor user experience.

They have enough clout to get sites to change. Brightcove had HTML5 video prepared for its clients (Time magazine, I believe NYT, and numerous others) shortly before the iPad came out.

 

[Bytor65]

I agree with you and I don't at the same time.

I use Flash sparingly for our corporation, but I was really looking forward to creating some Marketing apps using Flash animation that I have already created for our website.
Now I have no ground to stand on should I be able to make it work.

Agree or Disagree, you illustrate the problem perfectly, you have done a little flash work on your corporate web page and now you would like to push a button and have an instant iPhone app.

Sorry but that is exactly the Pandora's box Apple needs to keep closed. That is not going to be a high quality application for the iPhone. This will drive Ten times as much mediocre junk into the Appstore, which already has more than enough.

 

[awmazz]

I'm getting a bit **** sick of this apple vs Adobe crap. Why can't Apple do the RIGHT thing and give consumers the OPTION to use flash or not. If it's crap then at least we (the consumers) can see that for ourselves and not have apple make the decision for us.

Well, that would require Apple releasing the iPhone this month in 2010 instead of in 2007 in order to actually have Flash available to include. And if that wasn't enough, to rewrite the Safari app on iPhone to support plug-ins, specifically just the one single plug-in.

June 2007:

Apple releases ground-breaking new iPhone and wifi iPod Touch. No Flash because there isn't any. Just the stripped down Flash Lite, which required licence fees to include even when it wasn't good enough..

May 2008 (one year later):

Adobe announces ground-breaking... 'plans'. See BBC news story.

Plans to stop charging the licence fees. Plans to remove restrictions on the use of files in SWF and FLV format. Plans to get Flash onto mobile devices. Plans to publish details of its closed and propriety Flash player and streaming technology. Plans they called "Open Screen". Plans that are all part of the larger plan for Adobe Air. A year to come up with... plans. Not an actual Flash player. So cool, Apple should jump at the opportunity to halt all progress and wait for Adobe's plans to eventually come to fruition.. next year sometime... whenever...

October 2009

Adobe announces... more plans. See BBC news story. Adobe, the maker of Flash, said it *should* be available on most higher-end handsets... by 2010.

April 2010 (3 years later...)

Adobe finally announces Flash 10.1. The first product released under the Open Screen plan of 2008. Apple should do the RIGHT thing and embrace Flash if it wants to stay ahead of the game. Not.

Here's the money quote:

"Years ago, browsing on smart phones was almost non-existent - nobody was worried about desktop experiences on phones," Anup Muraka of Adobe told BBC News. "We're addressing that need."

Years ago, Apple started addressing that need. Apple was worrying about it. Adobe wasn't. Adobe is "nobody".

 

[ChazUK]

Well, that would require Apple releasing the iPhone this month in 2010 instead of in 2007 in order to actually have Flash available to include. And if that wasn't enough, to rewrite the Safari app on iPhone to support plug-ins, specifically just the one single plug-in.

Doesn't Safari on the iPhone already support plugins?

Anyway, why would they have to rewrite Safari? They had Flash working perfectly on those iPad videos. Oh, wait.....

 

[awmazz]

Doesn't Safari on the iPhone already support plugins?

Anyway, why would they have to rewrite Safari? They had Flash working perfectly on those iPad videos. Oh, wait.....

The original Safari in 2007? I can't remember now. Even so, it would mean they re-wrote it anyway so point conceded.

 

[Max(IT)]

The Disney website is simple enough to use for my daughter. She manages to navigate round it and use plenty of content on it and it all performs well enough on my iMac and Hackintosh.

the disney website could be simple and good looking also without Flash plug-in eating your cpu's cycles ...

 

[ct2k7]

the disney website could be simple and good looking also without Flash plug-in eating your cpu's cycles ...

Might be a bit dull for children.

 

[ur23design]

My iPAd apps crash constantly very often way more often than flash on my Mac. Plus the ones that crash most are paid apps. Paid apps that do things the iPad O.s should have done for free. Feeling very scammed and mad now especially with all this user experience bs. What is so good about a user experience of crashing on start.

 

[Max(IT)]

That's different. Flash still exists today. DOS and XP don't.

WinXP is the primary operative system installed worldwide, as today

 

[Max(IT)]

BS. The iPad does not support Flash only because Apple wants to keep it a closed system and to make you go through the App Store or iTunes for all your apps and media.

HTML5 is good, but it WILL NOT replace Flash for many purposes. So Flash will happily coexist with HTML5, when HTML5 becomes a viable standard.

Your argument is simplistic and silly: Why doesn't Apple ban cars, while we are forcing out old technology? Or QuickTime, and adopt MKV?

Speaking about BS ....

 

[ChazUK]

the disney website could be simple and good looking also without Flash plug-in eating your cpu's cycles ...

Do you really think my 4 and a half year old girl gives a **** about CPU cycles? All she wants is a website that me, my wife and she can enjoy and that's what they provide.

Does this make "Disney's website is one of the world' worst designed site." as you put it earlier? My daughter can navigate round it fine (as i said before) which is testament to a well designed site if you ask me.

 

[Bytor65]

HTML5 doesn't have an application like Flash CS4 to create content without ever typing a single line of code, for example, making it easier to use for artists and people who don't want to code, but instead want to create stuff.

Do you really think my 4 and a half year old girl gives a **** about CPU cycles? All she wants is a website that me, my wife and she can enjoy and that's what they provide.

So from the proponents of flash, we have that it is great because people who aren't software developers, don't have to type a line of code and that the output is best targeted at 4 year olds.

 

[ChazUK]

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HTML5 doesn't have an application like Flash CS4 to create content without ever typing a single line of code, for example, making it easier to use for artists and people who don't want to code, but instead want to create stuff.

Do you really think my 4 and a half year old girl gives a **** about CPU cycles? All she wants is a website that me, my wife and she can enjoy and that's what they provide.

So from the proponents of flash, we have that it is great because people who aren't software developers, don't have to type a line of code and that the output is best targeted at 4 year olds.

I was responding to Max(IT)'s panning of Disney's website for "Disney's website is one of the world' worst designed site."

I even quoted the text in my last post. Reading compression fail?