The demo showed it on the mac.
I think it's too late, though. Adobe should have been here years ago.
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Adobe's Flash Player 10.2 to Offer Up to Ten-Fold Improvement in CPU Efficiency
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The demo showed it on the mac.
I think it's too late, though. Adobe should have been here years ago.
I tried the 10.2 and by God it's buggy as hell, not good for a Beta, it's more like an Alpha but I blame BOTH Apple and Adobe for the ridiculous mess they are in. It's disgusting the way the two company's are treating the users! 😡😡😡😡😡
very nice!
It's good to see that the air was better than that PC.
I hope this makes it onto the iPhone + iPad.
It's good to see that the air was better than that PC.
I hope this makes it onto the iPhone + iPad.
I'll be more than happy to see a significant improvement from Adobe.
Using flash to play video is not a good idea anyway. Many can do that better. (HTML5)
The good thing about HTML5 is that we don't have to wait for Adobe to release their products.
Adobe said Flash will be on iPhone in 2008..... and guess what? We are in 2010 and they have just finalized their first version on Android.
According to this trend, 10.2 should be out in 2012, some time beyond the Mayan calendar.
Using flash to play video is not a good idea anyway. Many can do that better. (HTML5)
The good thing about HTML5 is that we don't have to wait for Adobe to release their products.
Adobe said Flash will be on iPhone in 2008..... and guess what? We are in 2010 and they have just finalized their first version on Android.
According to this trend, 10.2 should be out in 2012, some time beyond the Mayan calendar.
Stella
macrumors G3
Thanks to Apple for providing the API in OSX to allow Real to do this in the first place. Thanks to Real for making the appropriate improvements.
Flash will be here for a loong time to time yet.
When HTML5 finally takes hold and adverts are HTML5 instead of Flash.. you'll get what you wish for. It will be a lot more difficult to block these ads.
Flash will be here for a loong time to time yet.
When HTML5 finally takes hold and adverts are HTML5 instead of Flash.. you'll get what you wish for. It will be a lot more difficult to block these ads.
And I'm happy to oblige. Getting that kind of improvement demonstrates just how truly awful flash was before. It probably still is in other areas. It proves Steve Jobs right, quite beyond the proprietary framework for programs he doesn't like.
definitive
macrumors 68020
They ran it on a Macbook Air during the demo. Looked like a big improvement there. Hope it stands.
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Ok wait a sec. This isn't making flash any more efficient near as I can tell. Its just offloading the processing to the gpu so yes it looks good but unless it's more efficient it will still drain the battery and cause everything to heat up
Ok wait a sec. This isn't making flash any more efficient near as I can tell. Its just offloading the processing to the gpu so yes it looks good but unless it's more efficient it will still drain the battery and cause everything to heat up
elppa
macrumors 68040
Four things:
[1] @4:10 it looks like 2 people are watching the presentation, sitting on deckchairs.
[2] If Adobe think the MacBook Air is underpowered then it is no wonder it took full Flash so long to reach mobile devices.
[3] You can run <video> without taxing the CPU and lay silly carton characters over the top as well.
[4] The quip about saving power plants was funny, but not in the way he meant it. How much energy must have been wasted by needless CPU usage from inefficient Flash videos/adverts?
[1] @4:10 it looks like 2 people are watching the presentation, sitting on deckchairs.
[2] If Adobe think the MacBook Air is underpowered then it is no wonder it took full Flash so long to reach mobile devices.
[3] You can run <video> without taxing the CPU and lay silly carton characters over the top as well.
[4] The quip about saving power plants was funny, but not in the way he meant it. How much energy must have been wasted by needless CPU usage from inefficient Flash videos/adverts?
Consultant
macrumors G5
Ironically, the demo video showed it using very little CPU if you actually watch the whole thing.
Perhaps jeans and black sweater, and losing a lot of weight?
It looks like that to me, too.
h264 uses GPU acceleration, so I guess you better accuse apple of the same thing. And it actually did reduce CPU. I think you misunderstood something major.
To paraphrase an old feminist cliche, the internet needs Flash like a fish needs a bicycle.
Amazing what a company can do when pushed. Too bad they sat on this for years. Imagine where they'd be with Flash if they had pushed the technology all along.
I'd be willing to bet Flash's time has come and will soon be going away.
I'd be willing to bet Flash's time has come and will soon be going away.
FFArchitect
macrumors regular
The point is simply this: if Flash was still to be relevant, then Adobe should have addressed issues long ago (even before the iPad). They've had this platform for a long time and it should have been protected, rather than letting it get to a state where it *needs* to be fixed for it to survive.
No one disputes that now it's in a position of pressure (to whatever degree can be debated upon) and it does present issues to its users indicative of a platform that hasn't listened to its users, not just Apple.
I doubt it. The reason why Jobs hates flash has everything to do with business. It's a competitor to their store. Just before I came here I read that for the upcoming slates that "Microsoft is encouraging developers to create HTML5-based web applications for Windows 7 slates and host the apps on their own websites." My 1st thought was that Steve Jobs is not going to like that, since that means iPad/iPhone users will be able to use those apps, and that's when I decided to check macrumors. It's all about money, watching videos and playing free games on flash cuts into Apple's bottom line, and so would what Microsoft is doing.
CorporateFelon
macrumors regular
No you got it backwards. It's 10x more efficient, so it will crash 10 times a day.
Also the damage is done.
It's funny how they denies any fault on their own, yet some how their own demo shows the previous version (with so called hardwaare acceleration) is still a piece of crap.
FloatingBones
macrumors 68000
Way too late to have an impact
It is an acknowledgment of what Jobs and others have been saying for a long time: Flash 10.1 and earlier has indeed been very inefficient.
The fact that Flash apps must be re-built is a huge negative. Will developers bother to re-build? How will users know if a particular app has been re-built? The fact that the implementation requires re-rolling of the apps really undermines many of the arguments for choosing Flash in the first place. In an age of incremental compilers, I have no idea why the Flash engine couldn't do any needed re-arrangement of the code on the fly.
I don't see Apple changing any policy. We still have issues of the quirky UI of flash apps (scrollbars function differently; kbd shortcuts unavailable, search for text in flash areas doesn't work, etc.), identity-leak via Flash cookies that the FTC is now investigating, and the continuing problems with zero-day Flash bugs. I can't see Apple entrusting the correct operation of its iOS browser to any third party -- let alone Adobe.
This is the last dying gasp of the beast. Even Adobe is providing developers a means to use HTML5 instead of Flash.
It is an acknowledgment of what Jobs and others have been saying for a long time: Flash 10.1 and earlier has indeed been very inefficient.
The fact that Flash apps must be re-built is a huge negative. Will developers bother to re-build? How will users know if a particular app has been re-built? The fact that the implementation requires re-rolling of the apps really undermines many of the arguments for choosing Flash in the first place. In an age of incremental compilers, I have no idea why the Flash engine couldn't do any needed re-arrangement of the code on the fly.
I don't see Apple changing any policy. We still have issues of the quirky UI of flash apps (scrollbars function differently; kbd shortcuts unavailable, search for text in flash areas doesn't work, etc.), identity-leak via Flash cookies that the FTC is now investigating, and the continuing problems with zero-day Flash bugs. I can't see Apple entrusting the correct operation of its iOS browser to any third party -- let alone Adobe.
This is the last dying gasp of the beast. Even Adobe is providing developers a means to use HTML5 instead of Flash.
Was that directed at Adobe, or at Apple for finally making the GPU available to plugins?
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
ten-oak-druid
macrumors 68000
Not if they come with embedded silverlight, and it's not updated on OSX.
I don't think Jobs puts html5 in the same category of app frameworks, as long as it's the open standard html5. And they make more money off of hardware, unlike MS.
Wrong!
That's complete crap. When the iPhone was first out it was going to ONLY support HTML5-based web apps. It still does support those and Apple feature them on their site (though certainly not prominently).
People bitched about wanting both to have and to make native apps, Apple made the app store.
That's complete crap. When the iPhone was first out it was going to ONLY support HTML5-based web apps. It still does support those and Apple feature them on their site (though certainly not prominently).
People bitched about wanting both to have and to make native apps, Apple made the app store.