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isn't this the creepiest thing you've ever heard of?
facebook, myspace etc ARE FOR KIDS

cmon, seriously now. It's Called SOCIAL NETWORKING. Not "CHILDREN TIME".

I'm on Myspace to track bands I enjoy to see when they come through town and to keep in contact with some friends I rarely see.

Myspace and Facebook and orkut do not put age restrictions on their sites. Gee I wonder why?
 
flyinmac, your fascination with fecal matter is rather disturbing. Cut the crap!

Also facebook is a little different than myspace in that there isn't really a place to blog. The only time you see someone talk about themselves is on someone else's wall in response to an inquiry.
 
flyinmac, your fascination with fecal matter is rather disturbing. Cut the crap!

Also facebook is a little different than myspace in that there isn't really a place to blog. The only time you see someone talk about themselves is on someone else's wall in response to an inquiry.

Facebook has a notes feature, often use for blogging.
 
I think the timeline goes something like this:

12 and under: Disney.com
13 - 17: MySpace
18 - 21: Facebook
21 and up: Adult Friend Finder


I think that sums things up pretty nicely...
 
I'm almost 23 and I've been meaning to ditch facebook. Though the only person I really communicate to is my gf and even then we just end up poking each other :p
 
flyinmac, your fascination with fecal matter is rather disturbing. Cut the crap!

Also facebook is a little different than myspace in that there isn't really a place to blog. The only time you see someone talk about themselves is on someone else's wall in response to an inquiry.


No, it's not a personal interest. I was simply rising to the challenge posed by the other poster. He claimed that I must be making stuff up and that people really were not like that and didn't really post such ridiculous details under the belief that everyone in the world wants to know about such things.

I simply provided a few examples to show him that there really are people who do such things, and that my examples in the previous post were not "baseless", but rather based on real occurrences.

To put that post in context, those examples should be read along with my original post talking about people who feel that everything they do is of extreme importance to everyone else, and that surprisingly, some people subscribe to and watch these weird people as if it were some addictive reality show.

In the first post, I had stated that many of these "self-important" people would post such garbage about themselves and believe that everyone wants to know such details as the examples I later provided. That was challenged, and claimed to be a baseless statement. So, I did a search to show that the examples I had previously used were really the focal point for some of these blogs and such. And, that some people really think others need to know every time they use the bathroom and what it looked like.

For simplicity, I used the most extreme points in my original post to provide substantiating quotes in the later post. This was simply to answer the other poster's claim that people were not really like this. I felt that the other more mild claims were much easier to believe, and thus required no quotes to substantiate them.

Further, I originally stated that there would be uses I would see as "good" and provided the example of sharing milestone moments about your children with distant grandparents (such as birth, first time accomplishments, etc.).

However, people seem to have missed that.

To understand what is being said, it might require having read my posts in order, and to read the responses to see what I am replying to.

I'm not saying it's all bad. I'm just saying that there are a ridiculous amount of people out there that use these things to document every detail of their lives under the belief that everything (including their zits, bathroom time, etc.) that happens is of critical importance for everyone in the world to know about. And, that for some reason there are tons of people who apparently cannot live without such updates about these people.

Beyond that, I did say that there were legitimate uses that would not be so disturbing. But, people missed that.
 
flyinmac, I get the impression that everything you know about blogs and social networking is taken from a newspaper article on pedophiles and myspace.

I'm not an attention whore, but I do use Facebook and Pownce and I co-author a blog. The former two are for keeping in touch with friends in a non creepy way. The blog is not about me or social stuff in general and satisfies my desire to write. That's it.

I would never use MySpace. Not because of all those pedophile stories. I wouldn't use it because it's a **** website. It's just poorly done.
 
No, it's not a personal interest. I was simply rising to the challenge posed by the other poster. He claimed that I must be making stuff up and that people really were not like that and didn't really post such ridiculous details under the belief that everyone in the world wants to know about such things.

I simply provided a few examples to show him that there really are people who do such things, and that my examples in the previous post were not "baseless", but rather based on real occurrences.

To put that post in context, those examples should be read along with my original post talking about people who feel that everything they do is of extreme importance to everyone else, and that surprisingly, some people subscribe to and watch these weird people as if it were some addictive reality show.

In the first post, I had stated that many of these "self-important" people would post such garbage about themselves and believe that everyone wants to know such details as the examples I later provided. That was challenged, and claimed to be a baseless statement. So, I did a search to show that the examples I had previously used were really the focal point for some of these blogs and such. And, that some people really think others need to know every time they use the bathroom and what it looked like.

For simplicity, I used the most extreme points in my original post to provide substantiating quotes in the later post. This was simply to answer the other poster's claim that people were not really like this. I felt that the other more mild claims were much easier to believe, and thus required no quotes to substantiate them.

Further, I originally stated that there would be uses I would see as "good" and provided the example of sharing milestone moments about your children with distant grandparents (such as birth, first time accomplishments, etc.).

However, people seem to have missed that.

To understand what is being said, it might require having read my posts in order, and to read the responses to see what I am replying to.

I'm not saying it's all bad. I'm just saying that there are a ridiculous amount of people out there that use these things to document every detail of their lives under the belief that everything (including their zits, bathroom time, etc.) that happens is of critical importance for everyone in the world to know about. And, that for some reason there are tons of people who apparently cannot live without such updates about these people.

Beyond that, I did say that there were legitimate uses that would not be so disturbing. But, people missed that.

I did read your original post. There was a hint of sarcasm in my previous post but you do seem to be hung up on assumptions based on little or no real experience. I personally haven't really seen what you describe although I'm sure I could substantiate almost any claim if I searched hard enough.

Sure, what you describe happens but I think you've overstated your position and most users of social networking sites are not readily exposed to that kind of behavior in their own social network.
 
What better way to keep up with old friends than a social networking site?

I am a college student and I know a lot of my friends will be moving away when they graduate. I don't want to lose touch with them so Facebook makes a great way to keep up to date.

Clearly the media has skewed your perception of adults on social networking sites (talking to the OP)

Reality Check: The internet is no longer for the younger folk. 10-15 years from now, people in college will still probably be using the sites they used in college. They will then be 31-33 years old. Get used to it.
 
I'm not saying it's all bad. I'm just saying that there are a ridiculous amount of people out there that use these things to document every detail of their lives under the belief that everything (including their zits, bathroom time, etc.) that happens is of critical importance for everyone in the world to know about. And, that for some reason there are tons of people who apparently cannot live without such updates about these people.

Well, sure, (and your examples were hilarious) but you'll find examples of such extreme fanaticism just about anywhere. Social networking sites focus on getting people talking to each other and keeping each other informed, and some people will challenge that to the extreme. The fact that the sites are global, and the fact that Google allows you to keep a semi-permanent archive, means it's that much easier for you to dig up what you did. I'm sure if we look into Usenet archives there will be many people who have, over the decades, posted personal scatalogical details in some obscure newsgroup. It doesn't mean we dismiss it as a viable online forum, we just accept that there is always going to be that weirdo who pushes the limits.

As for self-importance and posting irrelevant details, who's to define what's what? Your sig boasts a list of Mac equipment that you own. Do you think that affects my life, or that of anyone else reading MacRumors, in the slightest? Of course not. On some website, somewhere, are PC users laughing at us Mac fans for being self-important and sharing details with each other that nobody cares about. And so it goes.

On this site, we're fans of Mac hardware and software and so we post all kinds of petty details about our Mac products and usage. On a site like MySpace, we're fans of other people, and I think it's fair to say the same idea applies.
 
Well, sure, (and your examples were hilarious) but you'll find examples of such extreme fanaticism just about anywhere. Social networking sites focus on getting people talking to each other and keeping each other informed, and some people will challenge that to the extreme. The fact that the sites are global, and the fact that Google allows you to keep a semi-permanent archive, means it's that much easier for you to dig up what you did. I'm sure if we look into Usenet archives there will be many people who have, over the decades, posted personal scatalogical details in some obscure newsgroup. It doesn't mean we dismiss it as a viable online forum, we just accept that there is always going to be that weirdo who pushes the limits.

As for self-importance and posting irrelevant details, who's to define what's what? Your sig boasts a list of Mac equipment that you own. Do you think that affects my life, or that of anyone else reading MacRumors, in the slightest? Of course not. On some website, somewhere, are PC users laughing at us Mac fans for being self-important and sharing details with each other that nobody cares about. And so it goes.

On this site, we're fans of Mac hardware and software and so we post all kinds of petty details about our Mac products and usage. On a site like MySpace, we're fans of other people, and I think it's fair to say the same idea applies.


Yeah, they were kind of funny. I have never seen anyone describe that stuff in such detail. I don't even talk to my doctor in that level of detail.

You do of course make good points. I know there are a lot of weirdos out there, and there are of course a few nice people. It seems increasingly hard to find the nice people, and much easier to find the weirdos (even in real life).

I could also see how you would see my signature as a boast. That's a reasonable assessment based on appearances. But, surprisingly, there is actually another reason it's there.

I originally came into the discussions on Apple's Discussions support site. And, they have a spot where you can list your system details. I originally thought it was simply a boasting space, and left it blank. But, then there turned out to be a pretty good reason to fill it in.

I found that whenever you had a question about something, that often the answer would depend on what machine and what accessories you have plugged-into it at the time.

So, the helpers frequently would suggest that you fill-in your system details so that they wouldn't have to ask, and you wouldn't have to remember to tell them what you had.

It made it a lot easier for them to diagnose issues if they knew what you had plugged into your computer. "Oh, you have the SoundSticks, yes we have seen that those have trouble in this situation". "Oh, you have a Lacie hard drive, yes, we've seen some of them have this issue, check your firmware and see if there's an update". "Oh, you have an iMac G5, yes, those do exhibit the behavior you describe, check out this article here for an explanation".

You see, it worked to the poster's benefit to describe their configuration as precisely as they could.

When I came to MacRumors, I found that the signature space is not as generous as it was an Apple's site. So, my details are a bit generic. No brands, no models, just basic stats.

When I post a suggestion to someone who has a similar system, they can see in my signature that I probably know the idea will work since I am using the same computer. Likewise, if I say I'm having trouble, they have a general idea of what I'm using (although not as specific as the details would be on Apple's site).

We actually had a lengthy discussion about this a few years back in the Apple Discussions to adopt a general means of describing what we have in such a way that it would be very useful to anyone we spoke with on the support site.

But, after a few years of helping people on Apple's site, I eventually tired of the strict regiment that Apple imposes on participants (particularly the ones who are there to help and climbed up the ranks). I made it up into the exclusive levels there with certain privileges and access to the private lounge. But, tired of the increasingly poor treatment of us by Apple. The poor treatment, lack of respect, and so on was disheartening considering that we essentially were unpaid active front-line support which saved Apple from having to hire employees and pay them to support people.

The Apple Discussions, if you haven't been there, are strictly for support and technical issues. No "discussion" about ideas or concepts or personal thoughts is really permitted. They do happen, but frequently, the posts are deleted and the poster notified with a nasty note warning them not to do it again.

So, I came here where a person can have a light-hearted chat, and help someone if they see someone who has an issue.

Not as many people post here with technical issues (probably since it is not a strictly technical issue support site). But, it's nice to help someone out, and still have the freedom to jump into a discussion with someone and have some light-hearted fun.

In the Apple discussions, if I answered someone's question, and then they were curious about me and asked where I lived, or other details about me and then we discussed a couple of personal interests, the discussion would be locked, deleted, and I'd be sent a threatening note about the potential for my account to be locked.

I just got tired of it. So, now I only use the Apple Discussions as a place to browse if I have a question. I'll look at it to see if someone else has asked the same question.

But, I got tired of the long hours I put in helping fellow Mac users solve issues and then the constant rule changes and impositions on us by Apple that sought to make us strictly free and unpaid support people without personalities.
 
This will really piss off the OP: I'm 32 and I'm getting *paid* at work to create a Facebook and MySpace account. How's that for sucks to be a teenager?

It gets worse - we're using a branding company to structure the Fb/MS page for us.

Worse still: - we're Arts Council funded, so it's your own taxpayer money paying for me / the branding company to work on these pages. (and yes, teenagers pay tax on the things they buy)

Boring explanation for adult mouldies: A segment of our audience who see our plays use these sites, and we want to widen our audience and get people who don't usually go to the theatre to come see our stuff.

Here's one for you teens: Robert Murdoch who's about 75 understands MySpace well enough to pay $600 million for it two years ago. Almost every tech commenter (usually under 30) thought he was insane. He's now made a massive return on his investment.

So there you go. Maybe MySpace should be closed to everyone aged between 25 and 74?
 
The only thing that creeps me out is the adults on social networking sites that pretend to be children, or who go comment on random girls' pages.

My sister had a myspace for a while, and random men kept showing up. It was creepy.
 
The only thing that creeps me out is the adults on social networking sites that pretend to be children, or who go comment on random girls' pages.

My sister had a myspace for a while, and random men kept showing up. It was creepy.

Yeah, that happens in real life to. When I was younger, I noticed how some of my friend's sisters seemed to always have random men show up at the door.

Perhaps your sister should have been a bit more conservative in what was on her page. Random men are drawn more to things that attract them ;)

Just messin with you. Don't worry, I'm not saying anything about your sister. I only met her the one time :eek:
 
facebook <snip> ARE FOR KIDS

Facebook is mainly for college students, and seeing as you can be any age to go to college/university, it's open for anyone. It's just lately more high school students have joined the site.

Would you suggest after you have finished college you should delete your account as your too old, or would you keep it to stay in contact with your mates ?
 
Facebook is mainly for college students, and seeing as you can be any age to go to college/university, it's open for anyone. It's just lately more high school students have joined the site.

Would you suggest after you have finished college you should delete your account as your too old, or would you keep it to stay in contact with your mates ?

And that's why it sucks now.

High school kids ruin everything.
 
Why? Is she hot?

EZ :D

Facebook is mainly for college students, and seeing as you can be any age to go to college/university, it's open for anyone. It's just lately more high school students have joined the site.

Would you suggest after you have finished college you should delete your account as your too old, or would you keep it to stay in contact with your mates ?

An interesting way of enforcing that, would be to set a maximum number of years that an account could remain active.

Of course, it would require some type of cross-reference system to prevent you from just setting up another account under a different name.

And that's why it sucks now.

High school kids ruin everything.

We should make the sites that are currently available adults only. After-all, we know they are in it for the money, and not to better the lives of our kids. It's all about profits.

Perhaps what we need is a place where only kids are allowed. It would be a site which a new account could not be set-up without their parents interaction / verification (such as requiring information that only an adult could provide in normal circumstances - like the verification methods that the adult sites - which actually provide enforcement - use to secure a verified age).

Then, only kids would be on one network, and adults on another.

The trick, is how to verify that an adult is only signing-up a minor child, and not themselves posing as a child.

Perhaps, a requirement of a consenting and verified adult along with a school counselor (also verified) who are verified to be separate people :confused:

Or, as another idea, maybe we need local school based social networks instead of national unregulated ones.

Then, the school could provide the account based on the student's school ID number and a unique item like their locker combination for a password. Then, if someone knows their student ID number and their locker combination, they are most likely the student.

That would permit social networking within any school district within the general area or local state. A pretty good range for school kids to interact with each-other without pedophiles being able to pretend to be students.

Suppose that in-order to set-up a school authorized social networking account you needed to provide the following:

1) Your name
2) Your student ID number
3) Your locker combination code
4) Your school of attendance
5) Your natural hair color
6) Your gender
7) Your principals last name
8) Your school counselor's last name
9) Your local Zip code
10) Your eye color
11) Your locker number (as in the number printed on the locker)
12) The last name of your 1st period school teacher


This would all be information that any student would know off the top of their head. It wouldn't create an additional risk or compromise privacy since it's all information stored by the school already. And, the odds of an adult (even a child's parent) knowing all the above would be unlikely.

It would definitely go a long way towards providing kids a means of talking among each other, but limiting the pervs access to the children. And, if employed statewide, would provide them a pretty generous means of meeting kids they don't know. But, even if it was only school district wide, that would still be a ton of kids that they could interact with. And, all that information is already in any given district's computer.
 
An interesting way of enforcing that, would be to set a maximum number of years that an account could remain active.

Of course, it would require some type of cross-reference system to prevent you from just setting up another account under a different name.

How would that help them make money, retaining users is what it's all about, finding links with people years after college is great. I doubt Facebook just wants to connect you when your in school, they want to map out your whole life, that friend time line is really cool.
 
facebook, myspace etc ARE FOR KIDS

Really? Since when? Being that Myspace started in 1999 (he would have been 21-22), Friendster started in 2002 (he would have been 24-25), and Facebook started in 2004 (for college students and alums only); and coupled with the fact that "kids" were rarely seen on any of those sites until a couple of years ago, your statement becomes laughable.
 
No, it's not a personal interest. I was simply rising to the challenge posed by the other poster. He claimed that I must be making stuff up and that people really were not like that and didn't really post such ridiculous details under the belief that everyone in the world wants to know about such things.

I simply provided a few examples to show him that there really are people who do such things, and that my examples in the previous post were not "baseless", but rather based on real occurrences.

To put that post in context, those examples should be read along with my original post talking about people who feel that everything they do is of extreme importance to everyone else, and that surprisingly, some people subscribe to and watch these weird people as if it were some addictive reality show.

In the first post, I had stated that many of these "self-important" people would post such garbage about themselves and believe that everyone wants to know such details as the examples I later provided. That was challenged, and claimed to be a baseless statement. So, I did a search to show that the examples I had previously used were really the focal point for some of these blogs and such. And, that some people really think others need to know every time they use the bathroom and what it looked like.

Ok, and as has been pointed out by me and many other people, you don't get to read this nonsense because you can only become friends with people who accept you......people you already know. You can't even see the profile of people who you don't know, or aren't in your network. If someone asks you to be their friend, and you don't know them (this is very rare), then you just reject them, and they will never even know. It's not like they're going to check up on your friend status, as they don't even know you.

There is no risk of reading such crap. Your Google search was for MySpace.


Also, you still haven't given a decent response for my other point: that you encounter strange people who talk about gross things (or what you consider to be gross) in real life. I'm sure you avoid these people in real life, and avoiding these people on social networking sites is even easier than in real life. You don't even need to walk away. You just close the window....

So what's the risk? :confused:

Again, get some experience, then talk about it. Right now, you're not quite there yet.
 
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