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Because Apple Silicon processor acts as a storage controller, and it interfaces directly with NANDs.

It's an interesting design decision, but painful for end users because there are no standard M.2-like interface for NAND access.

I get it, and they are of course welcome to do all they want with that onboard storage. All I’m asking for is one internal storage slot. Not even for primary storage, don’t give it any special privileges, just let me keep media on it.

The fact that people are willing to go to this length at the tiniest sign of encouragement tells me I’m not alone.
 
If it's anything like my VW Golf R, they'll know. lol. Had a $7k repair on my transmission, took the tune off.. their system instantly caught it.
That's because the tune overwrites the ECU's memory with the tune, and you can never put it back to stock. You can only copy another tune that's the same as the factory in terms of parameters, but the flag is still there that it's been written to since it left the factory. Probably not the same for flash memory in Macs.
 
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Affordable? Relative to Apple but poor value per GB. 🤣
It is good to have an aftermarket option to extend the life of a laptop. The processor will be good for years. But being able to replace the battery and expand the storage is needed. Since apple don't offer any option for expanding the storage then at least this aftermarket solution - even if it is unsupported a voids warranty is better than NO option at all. As it is specialist and niche solution it is hardly going to be cost competitive with PC equivalents that have enormous economies of scale. But that's the price we pay for a near monopoly walled garden. The 'right' thing for Apple to do from a customer perspective would be to offer an upgrade option. I would happily pay handsomely to do that. Even same as the BTO cost plus extra for the labour - but instead Apple forces customers to either pay in full up front or buy a whole new machine if more memory or storage is required. No matter how much the fanboys defend this position - and I buy a new Mac ever 6 to 12 months so not anti Apple at all - but it is an huge annoyance. So I welcome this innovation, if it only proves to shame Apple into realising it is very possible to offer this benefit. They won't change anything tough. Not the Apple way.
 
You don't want to see my desk then! 3 monitors, a Mac Mini, a Thunderbolt dock, an amp, a headphone amp/DAC, a microphone, about 1000 cables, headphones, remotes (for the amps), a UPS, a MacBook Pro, an iPad, and a Windows desktop computer. No, I don't have a problem...
Serious question, what are the 1000 cables for? Seems a little overkill to run a simple setup like that I would have thought.
 
Isn’t the best solution on a Mac Studio to get what you need at time of purchase and then augment with super fast external Thunderbolt 3/4 storage? Cheaper as well. You can’t buy the Mac Studio without the storage, and the external storage, even the fastest, is still cheaper than this offering.
Thunderbolt 4 drives are not really that expensive, and drive cables are no longer expensive, too. I'd rather plug in a Thunderbolt 4 external drive with storage capacities up to 8 TV using a Thunderbolt 4 compatible USB Type C cable.
 
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And yet it provides basically no benefit other than massive profits for them

Apple should be getting raked over the coals publicly for not using standard interfaces for storage
Precisely. Even if there is no standard interface, surely it is not beyond their wit to develop one, even it if is only for their own use rather than the whole industry. Makes a mockery of the woke stance they take on protecting the planet and being efficient.
 
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Thunderbolt 4 drives are not really that expensive, and drive cables are no longer expensive, too. I'd rather plug in a Thunderbolt 4 external drive with storage capacities up to 8 TV using a Thunderbolt 4 compatible USB Type C cable.
Cost aside... what are the advantages of running 8TB externally vs internally - other than being able to share the drive between multiple computers? From workflow, convenience, security, logistics and performance perspectives can only see down sides to using external drives.

I'm not defending the high prices they charge btw. I thin they are disgusting. But they have a monopoly and until they charge so much that the pain of change and the other benefits are outweighs they'll be able to get away with this price gauging. Such is life.
 
If it's anything like my VW Golf R, they'll know. lol. Had a $7k repair on my transmission, took the tune off.. their system instantly caught it.
the analogy here is that you should indeed buy a car that has the performance you need and not mess about with ECUs ;-)
 
According to tests that Alexander Ziskind did recently, he showed that as Apple’s ssds for the M4 machines get faster each time the get larger. That normally happens with smaller ssds going from one chip to two. But in his tests, the 4TB ssd is over 7,000GB/s write and almost that in read. So the question is how did they do that? He believes that Apple may be using binned faster NAND chips, which would account for the cost increases.

How will these third party ssds, which several companies are working on, compare in performance?
 
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Also isn't the SSD considered user replaceable according to the Apple repair documents? Thought I read that somewhere
You can, but you can only replace it with the same module and prices from the self-service repair program are the similar to the original price. It's only meant to allow repairs, not upgrades.
 
Create a symlink (UNIX feature). It treats the pointed-to location as if it was in the exact spot where the symlink resides. I use this feature to store my iDevice backups to an external HDD.

as a power user you can do all sort of things - but it complicates the setup and for non-power users the implications are not clear (e.g. moving, copying, back-upping the symlink).
So as I did not want trouble with my wife - I went all in with 8TB.
 
Internal storate is 7000MBps.
External Thinderbolt Drives reach 2500MBps at max.

Thunderbolt 5, however, will make external drives reach similar speed.
Technically thunderbolt 4 could do 4000MBps, however I have never seen a combo nvme + external drive, reaching similar speeds
yes it is just theoretical: the enclosure/controller must also support the speed - most that are on the market are quite slow (PCIE 3 etc.) so you'll never get that speed on the thunderbolt bus.
So internal is usually far better and cleaner.
 
I get it that this article is about the Mac Studio, but the assertion that 8tb of internal storage is ‘doing it wrong’ is not correct.

If you can afford it, justify the cost and have an use case then what’s the big deal? Why would you not?
The original poster's "nobody" was inaccurate.

It is just a ~0.00001% of Mac users who need >=8TB on laptops.

On a desktop, external storage will be "fine", and eventually TB5 RAID devices will make them even more "fine".

This is a niche solution, for niche users, from a niche company... that will need to re-reverse engineer their products whenever Apple feels like it.

I'm happy this exists, but it will not move the needle much.

Really, reviewers and influencers need to keep up the PR campaign, and end users should spend as little on Apple storage as their work allows :)
 
It is good to have an aftermarket option to extend the life of a laptop. The processor will be good for years. But being able to replace the battery and expand the storage is needed. Since apple don't offer any option for expanding the storage then at least this aftermarket solution - even if it is unsupported a voids warranty is better than NO option at all. As it is specialist and niche solution it is hardly going to be cost competitive with PC equivalents that have enormous economies of scale. But that's the price we pay for a near monopoly walled garden. The 'right' thing for Apple to do from a customer perspective would be to offer an upgrade option. I would happily pay handsomely to do that. Even same as the BTO cost plus extra for the labour - but instead Apple forces customers to either pay in full up front or buy a whole new machine if more memory or storage is required. No matter how much the fanboys defend this position - and I buy a new Mac ever 6 to 12 months so not anti Apple at all - but it is an huge annoyance. So I welcome this innovation, if it only proves to shame Apple into realising it is very possible to offer this benefit. They won't change anything tough. Not the Apple way.
But there are external options that are fast enough for most users.
 
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I find it fascinating that someone at Apple has to go online and purchase a couple of these to study and draw up their technical findings for legal.

I wonder if it’s the same team who look at Apple discussions online from time to time. Perhaps the same person also deals with prototype products being found in the wild and any implications. Whether a simple report back to the executive team or more…

Not sure why that’s a little funny and interesting to me, someone sitting in Cupertino, buying something as a customer to stop other customers/work out the implications. Do they use a personal credit card and claim for reimbursement? Straight up use an Apple address for shipping? So many questions 😂

I’d have a beer with that guy and ask all about their day.
 
The original poster's "nobody" was inaccurate.

It is just a ~0.00001% of Mac users who need >=8TB on laptops.

On a desktop, external storage will be "fine", and eventually TB5 RAID devices will make them even more "fine".

This is a niche solution, for niche users, from a niche company... that will need to re-reverse engineer their products whenever Apple feels like it.

I'm happy this exists, but it will not move the needle much.

Really, reviewers and influencers need to keep up the PR campaign, and end users should spend as little on Apple storage as their work allows :)
Whilst I don't possess the market insights that you must have access to, so quote such a perfentage I share the sentiment of your reply. It is indeed a relatively small nice that needs that about of storage. And likely an even smaller nice that actually buy that much.

I accept it is less of an issue on something like the Mac Studio - being mainly used as a low end workstation/desktop. There the cost gets harder to justify high internal storage costs compared to a laptop. But even then, ignoring costs, internal is still the optimal from a workflow, performance, security and connectivity perspective.

This 3rd party concept is an interesting science project more than anything else. Not a serious offering that professionals are going to depend upon I would think. Mainly due to the pack of support and risk it poses to operability. I'd not touch it with a bargepole. Personally speaking. But still interesting to observe and good that it is showcasing what could be done if Apple chose to do so. It will prove tat Apple's stance that it cannot be done is false
 
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I find it fascinating that someone at Apple has to go online and purchase a couple of these to study and draw up their technical findings for legal.
Not a lawyer, but if they made a PCB with the exact same design, they could be in trouble. If it just does the same thing and is "close enough", they're probably in the clear.

What I do know is, Apple can make this MUCH harder to do in with the M5 generation, if they want to.
 
So how long before Apple modifies the Mac Studio internally to block this modification and also add firmware update to undo any modification? And also send the lawyers to sue the company? Because this is probably dead on arrival as Apple is super protective and this is security disaster waiting to happen.
Apple generally doesn’t do that unless something resolves around a security issue, ie jailbreaking, which this doesn’t.
 
Interested to see what Apple’s response is.
Half of what Apple charges is still twice as much as a standard NVMe drive.
I'm sure Apple planned for this and are happy about it.

It helps to get the regulators off their backs who are increasingly scrutinizing them for monopolistic behaviors.

This allows them to point to this option and say "see consumers have an option other than us" while Apple makes it hard enough to not each into their sales of overpriced storage upgrades by much.

Apple didn't add the port by accident and they aren't surprised by this.
 
Apple didn't add the port by accident and they aren't surprised by this.
This is a good take.

I'm sure Apple didn't add the childboard flash slot FOR this, but I'm sure they knew it might happen and baked that into their plans.

Apple having removable storage makes their manufacturing and SKU management cheaper, as well as lower their internal AppleCare repair costs.

If this does start to bite into profits, they can always make it harder in the next generation of Macs.
 
WTH - I was set to buy a MBP but now I’m having serious second thoughts: “Polysoft has also added what it calls "RIROP" (Rossmann Is Right Overvoltage Protection), a safety feature designed to prevent data loss from potential voltage regulator failures – an issue the company says it has encountered when repairing certain MacBook Pro models.”

How about Apple not screw their customer base on storage upgrades? A 8 TB Western Digital SN850X nvme drive went for $550 on Black Friday. Apple charges $2,200 to upgrade to 8 TB. Disgusting. I really wish apple’s customer base would call them out on this.
That $550 NVMe was for Playstation ONLY.
You can move your entire home folder to an external drive
That might be, but it causes problems in various areas. To avoid issues, I left the home folder but store *everything* on an external. I link to the external so it is my “home” directory in Finder. For email, I archive to the external. I don’t use photos but instead use folders on the external for photos (about 2 TB and growing).
 
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But there are external options that are fast enough for most users.

Totally agree. It is not always about having the most speed. Convenience of having everything in one place make life a lot easier. But if the use case can't justify the cost then it certainly makes sense to go external. I did that for years until the CPU on the MBPs caught up with all but the very highest end of the desktop line. Apple Silicon chips enabled that as they are low heat and power efficient. I have a small collection of SSDs and a 2,800MBS TB enclosure gathering dust since going deep on local storage. Never looked back and will likely not buy another Mac that I can't fit everything in once place (drive) again.
 
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