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After Anti-M1 Ads, Intel Wants to Make Future Apple Silicon Chips
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Wow. Intel got egg on its face pretty quick. Or would that be Apple sauce?
Intel is the next Kodak! Never put MBAs and Accountants in charge of a Tech business!
McKinsey partner Saf Yeboah-Amankwah joins Intel as chief strategy officer
Saf Yeboah-Amankwah, a senior partner at management consultancy McKinsey & Company, has joined semiconductor manufacturer Intel as SVP and chief strategy officer (CSO), effective November 1.
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Well, they say they are investing $20B and will have 7nm in 2023. That’s more or less equivalent to TSMC 5nm. So in that time frame Apple would likely be buying a lot of 5nm chips from TSMC, so maybe it makes sense.
It’s not easy to target BOTH intel and TSMC with the same design, though. I’ve done that sort of thing before, and it’s a bunch of work up-front to create your own design rules that would obey both, and you give up a little performance by targeting the common denominator. It also means you are duplicating a lot of work at the back end (DRC, LVS, fracturing, verification, etc.)
True. Intel won't be able to make M1 SoCs or the next generation of Apple Silicon, but Apple makes other devices that use a larger process.
The current Apple TV uses an A10X, which is a 10nm process. I think Intel can fab this today.
The A12 (used in the iPhone XR, iPad and iPad mini), A12Z (iPad Pro) and A13 (iPhone SE and iPhone 11) use a 7nm process. Intel is saying that they will be able to support that very soon now.
It’s just business not personal. Companies don’t get offended by ads making fun of their products. Apple would buy from Intel in a heartbeat if it made sense. Now since Apple has been making their silicon for years without Intel’s help I’m not sure it would make sense.
No way intel can compete with TSMC on pricing. If this was a possibility, why did they wait so long? Sounds more like the rantings of corporate speak before a mass firing; we are doing this, this, and that.... trust us, the company is fine. Ten days later, worst quarterly of the company’s history. Intel chose to lose market share, this wasn’t some surprise, the fact they are trying to get on the RISC-V bandwagon this late in the game; shows how desperate they are. RISC-V would never work with Intel’s business model.
Intel wasted a good 10 year advantage in the high-end chip sector, the fact it took getting to 7nm just to dominate their market share is a testament to how far ahead the rest of the market they were... That was now, as x86 shifts to 5nm through AMD, I don’t know how Intel intends to sell chips. The Power management alone at 5nm will make Intel unable to produce a competing mobile chip, and things are only going to get worse from there.
Next year’s CPU gaming options will put Intel into 2nd tier with no option of a top tier competitor. I don’t see how Intel gets out of this one, unless they merge or sell at this point.
Intel wasted a good 10 year advantage in the high-end chip sector, the fact it took getting to 7nm just to dominate their market share is a testament to how far ahead the rest of the market they were... That was now, as x86 shifts to 5nm through AMD, I don’t know how Intel intends to sell chips. The Power management alone at 5nm will make Intel unable to produce a competing mobile chip, and things are only going to get worse from there.
Next year’s CPU gaming options will put Intel into 2nd tier with no option of a top tier competitor. I don’t see how Intel gets out of this one, unless they merge or sell at this point.
If it goes through, good news. I work at Ronler Acres. We're adding capacity.
No way apple redesigns any of those chips for intel’s processes. That‘s a ****-ton of work.
No thanks. I don't want Intel manufactured chips considering how ancient Intel technologies are, both in terms of manufacturing (they cant even get past 10nm) and the actual tech of the chips. I know Apple designs M chips and Intel just follows the exact orders to build them, but Intel just sucks at everything now
What I think of is Apple’s relationship with Samsung when I hear of this. I think someone else has already said this. But, just think about it: being a chip fab is almost directly analogous to being a display manufacturer: you’re simply providing the manufacturing capability to produce another company’s vision. It is completely different than Apple using Intel’s designs: they’d just be using them like how they use Samsung today. Samsung builds the display panels on the iPhone, but would you say that the iPhone is a Samsung product?
So, Apple would want to make their chips on Intel's 14 nm++++ process, instead of superior TSMC 3nm process? Are investor so oblivious that they believe everything now.
Were the adverts anti-M1? I didn’t see any mention of the M1. They were promoting the PC in general over the Mac.
This is not particularly surprising. For all the public drama between Apple and Samsung, Apple quietly spends billions with Samsung building iPhone components. Not to say they'd go to Intel for chip production necessarily, but that marketing stuff is really a bunch of theater to influence the consumer marketplace and get leverage. Behind the scenes, it's all about cold numbers.
Wow Intel. You couldn't make this **** up!!! I'd expect to find this in The Beaverton or the Onion!
Intel's getting high on the legalized drugs here in Oregon it seems.
Apple used to source from Samsung even when Samsung's phone ads mocked Apple. I don't see a problem here.
I do see possible technical barriers, plus Apple rarely reacts well to other people talking about being an Apple supplier. But I can definitely see Apple using Intel as a stalking horse or stick to get better prices out of TSMC. And apple hates having a sole source supplier for anything...and their CEO used to own the supply chain.
I do see possible technical barriers, plus Apple rarely reacts well to other people talking about being an Apple supplier. But I can definitely see Apple using Intel as a stalking horse or stick to get better prices out of TSMC. And apple hates having a sole source supplier for anything...and their CEO used to own the supply chain.
