I started again, I never tend to restore backups as any documents I use I keep in the cloud, and and photos etc that I'm working on are on external drives. So When I get a new machine I generally dont restore anything at all.
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After careful consideration, it's going back.
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Honestly I wouldn't buy a product that cost that much without doing research and understanding that I actually need it. If I'm on the fence and simply 'want' it then I wouldn't buy it, I certainly wouldn't buy it on the hope it might grow on me. If I brought it and it indeed turned out to be a complete waste, then yes I'd return it. But I think buying it in the knowledge that you might return it is using that system as a 'trial'. Not complaining, each to their own. But I'd suggest you might do a little research before purchasing.
I agree, though I think there was less QA on this release than there should have been, hence for me, knowing the product should have met my needs, but finding I had to reinstall it to do that. Im happy now though.
Those return policies (especially with Apple) are far from being US-only, fwiw.
Yep, I just think the returning process and culture and ease of returns isn't as easy as it is in the US, though there are similar returns policies worldwide.
My non-touch 13" is probably better than my 12". The screen, power, keyboard, sound, and even look, are much better. The 12" is lighter, true, but not by that much, and not enough to balance the other things.
But the 12" is more portable. The 12" is still very nice for what it is. I'm thinking the next version is going to be killer. There's room for improvement with the 12" line. They could increase power and improve the screen. Just pray they don't add a touch bar
(just kidding)
But the 12" is more portable. The 12" is still very nice for what it is. I'm thinking the next version is going to be killer. There's room for improvement with the 12" line. They could increase power and improve the screen. Just pray they don't add a touch bar
(just kidding)
That's the point behind a return policy. If you aren't satisfied with a device you have the option to return it.
For me. I try to do as much research up front, but some things are not possible. You can't really test battery life without owning a product.
Well it's kind of a test-drive policy. The whole point is because it's a big purchase you want to make sure that it's worth the money. If it's not then obviously you would return it and keep your money for something better. I would say it's well within the consumer's rights to do this as without such protection it would be a bit like a forced contract. There is a reason for contract cool-off periods, to ensure that both parties are happy with the contract.
Not really seeing how morality or ethics plays into any of this. It's simply a logical and pragmatic way of operating.
Not sure about the EU but in the UK there is a standard 14 day no questions asked policy provided you bought it online (distance selling). If it was distance bought with the physical item never being seen before, there is a 14 day cool-off period in which you can return no questions asked.
If bought in a store, then it's a bit tricky, as there is no automatic legal right that gives the user an entitlement to return items. However, each store may choose to give a similar returns option to buyers, dependent on T&C.
Nothing wrong with returning something if it doesn't fit, doesn't work the way you want it. To buy it though with the intention of possibly returning it is wrong. I originally bought the 13" MacBook Pro without the touchbar with the idea that it was not needed, my old MacBook Pro was an early 2011 and it didn't have one. After using it for 10 days and the toucher version finally in stores, I liked the non-touchbar so much I decide to upgrade to one with the toucher. I had the extra money to do so, and a few days left on the return policy so I returned the non toucher for the toucher and upgraded even to the 512gb from the 256gb. I wasn't planning on returning the machine when it was purchased, but I am glad I did. There was nothing wrong with the non toucher machine, I just felt that since I had the extra cash I would upgrade to a toucher version rather than wait a few more years - I guess you could say I "future proofed" myself
On each machine the first few days the battery was not lasting up to 10 hours, now after several days I am consistently getting at least 10 hours out of them. Maybe the spotlight indexing does have something to do with it,. Neither machine was restored from a backup. The apps were fresh installs and all my docs and pics are stored in either iCloud or OneDrive, so they just came right over after logging in. When I read these comments on these forums about people complaining about the battery life after a day or two of usage. I don't think they are understanding that with a new machine there is a lot going on "under the hood" that they realize the first few days. Once the computer indexes itself, been recharged a few times etc the battery life tends to improve. I've noticed it happen twice in the past month with the two different MacBook Pros that I have had. Right now in fact my battery is at 80% and I have been on for almost 2.5 hours and the battery indicator estimates 8:19 left. That my friends adds up to almost 11 hours. I've had the machine exactly one week as of today.
On each machine the first few days the battery was not lasting up to 10 hours, now after several days I am consistently getting at least 10 hours out of them. Maybe the spotlight indexing does have something to do with it,. Neither machine was restored from a backup. The apps were fresh installs and all my docs and pics are stored in either iCloud or OneDrive, so they just came right over after logging in. When I read these comments on these forums about people complaining about the battery life after a day or two of usage. I don't think they are understanding that with a new machine there is a lot going on "under the hood" that they realize the first few days. Once the computer indexes itself, been recharged a few times etc the battery life tends to improve. I've noticed it happen twice in the past month with the two different MacBook Pros that I have had. Right now in fact my battery is at 80% and I have been on for almost 2.5 hours and the battery indicator estimates 8:19 left. That my friends adds up to almost 11 hours. I've had the machine exactly one week as of today.
I bought the non-tb version and I'm 90% sure I'll return it.
I was upgrading from a 2011 13" MBP so I was expecting a massive performance gain, but in reality it feels slightly slower. Finder lags when Dropbox / Spotlight is indexing. Scrolling websites is laggier. My external HDDs don't work with the MJ1M2AM adapter. I'm getting the display glitch on the login screen, which might be hardware or software, but doesn't inspire trust in the longevity of the machine. I have pains in my hands after using the keyboard for a week. Also, the escape, FN, and up/down arrow keys don't work very well; if you press softly or on the edge you can feel a click but they don't register a keypress. You need to press those keys a bit harder. All those keys work the same so it's not a device fault, it's just how those keys are designed, they must use a different switch to the square keys. This is very frustrating, especially the arrow keys as I use them a lot.
The battery, screen, build quality, and form factor are excellent. But that doesn't make up for the issues above, not when the machine cost $2800 AUD.
I was upgrading from a 2011 13" MBP so I was expecting a massive performance gain, but in reality it feels slightly slower. Finder lags when Dropbox / Spotlight is indexing. Scrolling websites is laggier. My external HDDs don't work with the MJ1M2AM adapter. I'm getting the display glitch on the login screen, which might be hardware or software, but doesn't inspire trust in the longevity of the machine. I have pains in my hands after using the keyboard for a week. Also, the escape, FN, and up/down arrow keys don't work very well; if you press softly or on the edge you can feel a click but they don't register a keypress. You need to press those keys a bit harder. All those keys work the same so it's not a device fault, it's just how those keys are designed, they must use a different switch to the square keys. This is very frustrating, especially the arrow keys as I use them a lot.
The battery, screen, build quality, and form factor are excellent. But that doesn't make up for the issues above, not when the machine cost $2800 AUD.
This is exactly what you should do. Let it drop to zero than charge it back up and do it again. Theses battery are no different than any other charging battery you have cycle it a couple times to get the full capacity from it.
Let's be realistic here, Apple doesn't have a strong return policy and even extends it during the holidays, because it is good for customers.
They do it, because they know they will make more money because of it.
They know that most people will love their products and not return them. But having the option to return makes so many more people take the step and buy it.
The people who are against returning items here seem to feel that people are exploiting companies, but return policies are good for both the business and the customer.
Distance selling regulations were replaced by Consumer Contracts Regulations in 2014.
Customers who buy online have the right to a 14-day cooling off period. They then have a further 14 days to return an item.
But there are exceptions, especially if items can be personalised. Laptops fall under this category because when you set up your login and install programmes, you've personalised it.
Some stores still accept returns even if you have used it, such as Tesco - and other retailers may do so as well - but they aren't legally required to. I noticed John Lewis and Currys state that they want the item in an unused state so, I don't know whether they would accept it or not, unless something is faulty.
Hmm thanks for the clarification. I was aware of the personalisations but I never understood the issue with logging in and what not. There was a case where I bought a Galaxy Tab s2 through very, came in a non-retail box seemingly a repackaged open box item, and yet I was unable to return it, I called it in first thing when it came, tried it out etc. but did wipe it before getting it ready to return, only to hear back that returns aren't possible. Just shocked that companies would sell an open box item at full price and marketed as retail.
Pretty sure the personalised issue is if the item is bought personalised, my business sells personalised gifts and we fall under that area, if we sold say a book that wasn't personal to the customer and then they opened it and wrote there name in it's not suddenly a personalised item.
A laptop bought and spec'd exactly as you want might fall under this "personalised" area but in reality the consumer will still have that cooling off period on items such as laptops even if you spec them personally.
If you engraved an ipod like in the old days then that is of course personalised and they would have the right to not offer a refund unless faulty.
Given my own experience and everything I have read, if battery life is paramount than the 13" TB MBPs are definitely NOT the way to go. After a few days of steady use and a few battery cycles, I'm getting around 8 hours of battery life during my normal work (see sig for exact specs—mine definitely isn't power friendly). That's plenty for me but some people need more.
Four hours sounds like a problem though unless you're really taxing the machine.
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My prior setup had been migrated and/or cloned since Mountain Lion. I opted for basically a fresh install without cloning my profile over. I think it's healthy to do every now and again. Migrating a profile does very well but there are a few apps (Mail, I'm looking at you and have been since... Tiger) that never seem to play quite right after and upgrade.
I used to do it every major release, but once they moved to a yearly release cycle, that became a bit of a hassle. I've also found the OS updates break way fewer things in the last two (Yosemite -> El Capitan -> Sierra was pretty painless).
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I'm really hoping the next iteration of the rMB gets the keyboard from the Pro (the small difference in travel makes a huge difference in typing, at least for me) and a Thunderbolt 3 port (which seems likely given that it won't require an additional controller when Kaby Lake takes over) instead of a plain USB-C would be really nice as well. (Also, a second port wouldn't be the worst thing in the world!)
Four hours sounds like a problem though unless you're really taxing the machine.
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My prior setup had been migrated and/or cloned since Mountain Lion. I opted for basically a fresh install without cloning my profile over. I think it's healthy to do every now and again. Migrating a profile does very well but there are a few apps (Mail, I'm looking at you and have been since... Tiger) that never seem to play quite right after and upgrade.
I used to do it every major release, but once they moved to a yearly release cycle, that became a bit of a hassle. I've also found the OS updates break way fewer things in the last two (Yosemite -> El Capitan -> Sierra was pretty painless).
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My non-touch 13" is probably better than my 12". The screen, power, keyboard, sound, and even look, are much better. The 12" is lighter, true, but not by that much, and not enough to balance the other things.
But the 12" is more portable. The 12" is still very nice for what it is. I'm thinking the next version is going to be killer. There's room for improvement with the 12" line. They could increase power and improve the screen. Just pray they don't add a touch bar
I'm really hoping the next iteration of the rMB gets the keyboard from the Pro (the small difference in travel makes a huge difference in typing, at least for me) and a Thunderbolt 3 port (which seems likely given that it won't require an additional controller when Kaby Lake takes over) instead of a plain USB-C would be really nice as well. (Also, a second port wouldn't be the worst thing in the world!)
All over the EU it is like this for online sales. In store I don't know.
That would make the rMP pretty good IMO. The new MacBook Pro keyboard is not bad, while the rMP keyboard to me is unusable.
I think Macalway, Cult hero and OneMike are right when they point out 3 clear upgrades for the next rMB:
- Kabylake (less power hungry)
- TB3 (KL native)
- better keyboard (2gen from new MBP)
The intriguing question is whether Apple will add the Touchbar as well or have both a TB and nonTB versions.
What do yo guys think?
I kinda expect an updated Magic Keyboard with the new iMacs (probably similar keys to the Magic Keyboard 2 + TB)
as for the rMB updates... It's such a compact machine, I doubt that they'd have space to add the TB. I think the rMB will be the new 'Air'.
