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It's about the causes of death, not the numbers. If I crash my manually operated car, it's my fault or another driver's, not the carmaker's. Or if I'm hit as a pedestrian.

Autonomous carmakers would need some kind of govt-mandated immunity from lawsuits, provided their crash rate is low enough, or they'd have to just take the lawsuits.

they wont say they're liable until their data shows it can handle 99.999999999% of drives. once that happens, they'll simply eat the costs of any crashes they're liable for. until then, the driver is responsible for paying attention and make any adjustments if necessary. this is what Tesla is doing now.
 
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IMO the car won't be something you buy and own yourself. I can see Apple using autonomous driving for many things beyond selling you a car.

It seems more likely they will have a subscription service for the vehicles, fleets of them in cities, and they deploy based on need. Want to go somewhere, ask Siri and the vehicle shows up to take you there.

LMAO

I saw that VERY same Lexus commercial too. Where the guy is sitting sidewise along the HWY talking about driving in his youth ... where the memories drift towards present day and his smile slowly becomes a frown and a saddened poop face.


I think this is the commerical

yeah. the promise of fully automated driving has sailed. You saw even in the Jetson's people still drove manually right? As long as the car is:

priced higher/lower
is sold with sex appeal of any nature
where humans design the car (from drawing to clay models of varying size) vs fully computer designed automatically (no humans),
where DRIVING in-and-of-itself is sold as a form of FREEDOM (here the chant 'usa, usa' lol well every nation that builds cars really can apply their national olympic chant here).

The car will ALWAYS come with: a steering wheel or manual type of control for a HUMAN to use.


Automated Driving:
1. BIGGEST sell is in state to state truck transportation!
(BNSF still allows their train-masters to have manual control a.k.a Ulyssis! over their trains)
2. Recovery automated driving - when driver falls asleep, hands are suddenly removed from the wheel, unconcious or in the form of a heart-attack.
3. Taxi service ... even Tesla's car owners taxi service coming allows limited speeds and limited range for your personal Telsa to be a rental by someone else. So maybe automated drive home is there.

Even in the 80's from Knight Riders' KITT which brought us: powered Windows, heated seats, sat-navigation and in-car DVD and screens, a Siri-like voice control of some functions, Turbo/ludicrous speed, Self Parking, Self Valee service, etc. guess what? People still drive their cars.
 
To be clear, self driving cars are NEVER going to happen. The problem space is too big.

The tech might be useful in other endeavors though.

Anyone that bought into the idea should have known better.

Meanwhile, I'm expecting a software update for my Model 3 within the next two weeks enabling Full Self Driving. That'll be pushed out to about a million customer owned vehicles.

Feel free to check for all the videos of people using Tesla's Full Self Driving beta already on YouTube - hundreds if not thousands of beta testers already out there.

Waymo is operating hundreds of vehicles with nobody in them on public roads, too.
 
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We're so close to this happening, autonomous, that it's already happening.

A new base Corolla has the tech to drive down a straight road w/o your input now.

Budweiser already has had a completely autonomous truck deliver beer from Ft. Collins to Colorado Springs several years ago.

Safety is driving this more than anything and it will be the biggest step forward in highway safety and efficiency we've seen since the three point safety belt Volvo gave us and the Interstate Highway system.

Insurance companies are frothing at the mouth to get you out of the driver's seat.
 
they wont say they're liable until their data shows it can handle 99.999999999% of drives. once that happens, they'll simply eat the costs of any crashes they're liable for. until then, the driver is responsible for paying attention and make any adjustments if necessary. this is what Tesla is doing now.
Guess that'll work, let the customers assume liability if they break the rules, even if everyone is breaking them.
 
LMAO

I saw that VERY same Lexus commercial too. Where the guy is sitting sidewise along the HWY talking about driving in his youth ... where the memories drift towards present day and his smile slowly becomes a frown and a saddened poop face.

That's hilarious. Though, the guy should've bought something cooler than a Lexus that has a stick or at least F1 transmission.
 
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Meanwhile, I'm expecting a software update for my Model 3 within the next two weeks enabling Full Self Driving. That'll be pushed out to about a million customer owned vehicles.

Feel free to check for all the videos of people using Tesla's Full Self Driving beta already on YouTube - hundreds if not thousands of beta testers already out there.

Waymo is operating hundreds of vehicles with nobody in them on public roads, too.
Yes. I reserved believing until I actually saw it happening. There was so much fake news before like Mercedes's "self-driving" vehicle that was really just something preprogrammed to drive on a closed track. Now there's a video of a Tesla driving the nearby freeway to Santa Cruz in moderate traffic with absolutely no input from the driver. It's real.
 
15-20 years before any sort of mass deployment for the general consumer. test pilot systems have to orders better at AI than they can be with our current designs for AI.
You're talking about a different issue from the one being addressed in my quote. Mass deployment is also going to require a comprehensive upgrade to our infrastructure: roads, bridges, traffic comms, cameras, standard language for vehicle cross-talk, etc. 15-20 years? Idk. But again, different issue from the legality mentioned by @farewelwilliams
 
Electric vehicles have been around for quite a while, the most notable ones being the Ford EV1 (modeled after the Probe) and Toyota's RAV4 EV way back from the Nineties.
A small issue in this discussion, but the EV1 was a General Motors product. It was serviced at Saturn dealerships and only available by lease.
 
Yes. I reserved believing until I actually saw it happening. There was so much fake news before like Mercedes's "self-driving" vehicle that was really just something preprogrammed to drive on a closed track. Now there's a video of a Tesla driving the nearby freeway to Santa Cruz in moderate traffic with absolutely no input from the driver. It's real.

The freeway stuff is a few years old at this point.

In the last month Tesla started rolling out its beta of FSD, which takes over at the point you exit the freeway and handles normal streets.... surprisingly well and it gets better every day using machine learning and data about when people corrected their cars.
 
Except no one cares. People in general are not interested in autonomous driving. Not at all. It is an entertaining gimmick inside the tech bubble. It doesn't exist outside of that.

It makes for a cool albeit extremely expensive proof-of-concept. One that will not get off the ground in our lifetime. It doesn't matter if its safer....it could be many orders of magnitude safer. People are happy with things the way they are, and are not clamoring for their cars to drive for them.
People aren't happy with driving in dense or congested cities.
 
I don't think this project will be successful. It needs strong leadership to get the micromanagement out of the way, and actually doesn't need traditional management that is used to maintaining a successful mature product.

I'm also worried it'll be so overpriced to compensate for all the work that the project has ate up, no one will want it.
 
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You mean the guy responsible for Siri? Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
You’re tripping.
This guy is NOT famous for the last few years of AI work he has done on Siri. He is famous for his like decade of AI work he did as the head of a search engine called “Google”.
I’m glad people chuckled at your ribbing, I guess- but if you want to pretend like the man isn’t extremely knowledgeable, and one of the top AI guys on the planet, that’s super disingenuous.
 
nope. driverless vehicles will be legal in the next 5-10 years. yes driverless vehicles will kill thousands of people but the data will show it will save millions.
"Millions"??? As it is now the near 330 million population of the USA is only responsible for about 38,000 vehicle related deaths per year.
 
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Apple is continuing work on developing some kind of autonomous vehicle product, and the project is under new leadership. Apple artificial intelligence lead John Giannandrea is now overseeing Apple Car development as prior lead Bob Mansfield has retired, reports Bloomberg.

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One of the self-driving vehicles Apple uses to test its autonomous driving software

It's been quite some time since we heard news about the Apple Car, but Project Titan as the car development is known is now in the hands of Giannandrea, though day to day operations continue to be overseen by Doug Field.

Field was reporting to Bob Mansfield, who came out of retirement in 2016 to handle the Apple Car project. Mansfield first retired in June 2012, but ultimately remained at Apple as an advisor. Prior to being led by Mansfield, Apple's senior vice president of hardware engineering Dan Riccio was overseeing work on the Apple Car.

Giannandrea is Apple's senior vice president of AI and machine learning, and Project Titan's hundreds of engineers are now under his watch. Giannandrea also heads up Siri development and Apple's work on machine learning.

Apple has been working on some kind of self-driving car technology since 2014, but development has been stymied by technical and leadership challenges. Apple was originally working on a full car, but focus seems to have shifted to an in-car autonomous driving system. Apple continues to have dozens of self-driving test vehicles out on the road.

Back in 2017, Apple CEO Tim Cook confirmed that Apple is working on autonomous driving software. "We're focusing on autonomous systems. It's a core technology that we view as very important. We sort of see it as the mother of all AI projects. It's probably one of the most difficult AI projects actually to work on," he said.

Article Link: AI Chief John Giannandrea Takes Over Apple Car Project
Will you have to flip the car over on it's roof like the Apple mouse to charge it so the charging port does not detract from the design?
 
You’re tripping.
This guy is NOT famous for the last few years of AI work he has done on Siri. He is famous for his like decade of AI work he did as the head of a search engine called “Google”.
I’m glad people chuckled at your ribbing, I guess- but if you want to pretend like the man isn’t extremely knowledgeable, and one of the top AI guys on the planet, that’s super disingenuous.
Ok...

I'm waiting for the improvements he'll make with Siri. Because it hasn't improved since he got here. If anything, Siri has gotten slower and less responsive.
 
90% of autonomous vehicle function is already possible. It's that last 10% of making a vehicle truly driverless in all situations that will prove to be extremely challenging. I own a 2019 Ford Ranger which has adaptive cruise control, accident avoidance and lane keep assist. These features are really quite basic as far as autonomous vehicles are concerned, but they rely on a lot of sensors. The problem with this is I live in a snowy area and if my windshield or front bumper get some ice on them the features are disabled. This happens often in the winter. I also live in an area where a cellular signal is no guarantee. Sensor issues, connectivity issues, changing road conditions and the fact human operated vehicles will remain on the roads for decades to come all make figuring out that last 10% to be very difficult. Manual override and controls will still be part of the driving experience for a long time.
 
Ok...

I'm waiting for the improvements he'll make with Siri. Because it hasn't improved since he got here. If anything, Siri has gotten slower and less responsive.

I don’t believe your post is really specific enough, I think Giannandrea has made improvements, and I’m someone that uses Siri extensively every day for dictation for reports and review writing. I think the speed of interpretation, Speech pattern, deciphering of words, has all improved.

I can tell you this, from where Siri was two years ago to where it is today, it’s much more natural, fluent and overall improved with accuracy, it’s not perfect and it never will be, even for those who think it should be.
 
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"Millions"??? As it is now the near 330 million population of the USA is only responsible for about 38,000 vehicle related deaths per year.

1. Globally
2. Over 1 million people die each year from car crashes
3. I never specified a time period.
 
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