AI Companies Reportedly Struggling to Improve Latest Models

[Vulkan]

No we won't.

Please provide more context. I drive over 500 miles weekly and use FSD about 90% of the time. I always use FSD for trips of more than an hour long, and since 12.5.x, its performance has significantly improved.

The response you provided seems to be a troll answer. Please provide more context to support your claim.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

The brain is just a single chip.. but it’s a massive 3D chip with its own water cooling (blood flow). We keep trying to make chips smaller and connect them with wires… but we never make a chonker chip the size of a softball

"A chonker chip the size of a softball" would require a cooling pond the size of Lake Tahoe...

 

[picpicmac]

Industry experts who spoke to Bloomberg attributed the challenges to the increasing difficulty in finding "new, untapped sources of high-quality, human-made training data"

Imagine that.

Maybe hiring a human is a better choice than relying on a computer bot to do things.

 

[picpicmac]

When calculators came along, mathematicians didn't suddenly disappear.

But the rooms full of people (mostly women) working on numbers did.

 

[MacBH928]

Not quite sure what they’re expecting. It’s just glorified pattern-recognition software, and there are only so many ways to dress it up as ‘the next big thing’.

hardly in history I was able to ask a question to a computer and have it give me back the answer. It was huge time saver for me. Not only that but it can solve problems.

EX.
If I had a 500 square meter house draw me a plan that will give me maximum room sizes, with small living room, 2 bathrooms, and a small kitchen give there are 3 rooms in the house

+---------------------------+---------------------------+
| | |
| Master Bedroom | Bedroom 2 |
| 70 m² | 60 m² |
| | |
| +---------------------+ | |
| | En-suite Bathroom | | |
| | 15 m² | | |
| +---------------------+ +---------------------------+
| |
| |
| |
+---------------------------+---------------------------+
| | |
| Bedroom 3 | Shared Bathroom |
| 60 m² | 10 m² |
| | |
+---------------------------+---------------------------+
| |
| |
| |
+---------------------------+---------------------------+
| | |
| Living Room | Kitchen |
| 40 m² | 30 m² |
| | |
+---------------------------+---------------------------+
| |
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| |
+-----------------------------------------------------------+

 

[quietstormSD]

Not quite sure what they’re expecting. It’s just glorified pattern-recognition software, and there are only so many ways to dress it up as ‘the next big thing’.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

[spazzcat]

Meanwhile tech companies continue struggling to find a reason for consumers to give a darn about AI.

Maybe it is just you.

 

[jlc1978]

I'm not surprised that a pattern recognition algorithm cannot really become intelligent. Pattern recognition is a big evolutionary advantage for humans but it is one of many different skills we developed along the evolutionary trajectory that got us here.

I think a key skill is the ability to apply patterns to draw inferences in other areas; something that is more complex than just seeing a pattern. Wald's insight in a/c damage is a good example, IMHO.

 

[Piggie]

Some of the animosity of AI is a little overblown. At times, it’s great at handling complicated questions in plain speak English, and quickly giving a detailed answer. Sure, it will need to be regulated, but I like the technology.

Sadly I think you will find it's due to the strong Apple love on these forums, and Apple having nothing in the game as they focussed on a Car and a Headset (one is dead, the other gasping for life)

I can 100% assure you will total confidence if it were Apple leading this, and not OpenAI the viewpoint on these forums would be dramatically different.

We get the same type of reactions when many good/impressive things are created outside of the Apple world.

Personally I love tech from everyone and anyone. Bring it on. the more advancements the better.

 

[subjonas]

AI is the most overblown technology since AR/VR. ChatGPT and Gemini will give different answers to the same questions a lot of the time. They will even give different answers to the same question, within each app. The amount of misinformation that is coming from AI is staggering.

I’d only make the amendment that AI in its current state, which is not true AI, is overblown. True AI would not be overblown, but also it’s not clear that it’s even possible. And similarly, AR in its ideal form would not be overblown. AI and AR in their current states have some use but not to the depth and scale that people aspire to.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Apple hasn’t been smart, they just missed the boat and not they’re trying to play catch up. But the results are so far pathetic. Image playground is a joke, notifications summary are so bad the whole internet is laughing about it and text generation is abysmal. They have a lot to work if they want to make apple ‘intelligence’ even just vaguely useful.

I was just reading in another thread how an official "hack" to avoid Apple AI is to boot off an external drive.
(Apple Intelligence doesn't work at all when booting off an external drive)

Ironically, this makes buying the base M4 Mac mini an incredibly great move.

Save a ton by not paying Tim's storage upgrade extortion pricing and get the benefit of "not being able to use Apple AI" by booting off a larger, cheaper and just as fast, external NVMe drive in an enclosure

It's the built in "off switch" for Apple AI

You do realize that the same Tim that brought us "Tim's storage upgrade extortion pricing" is the same Tim that brought us the great value M4 Mac mini, right? And that same Tim that allows use of cheap external SSDs for boot, right?

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I'm convinced that trying to build AGI with silicon is essentially like trying to build a poor quality emulator of the human brain-- and an emulator is always going to be worse than a system running natively. There aren't enough researchers seriously considering the possiblity that the human brain is the evolutionary end-point for intelligence because intelligence actually requires our strange biochemical system to function.

Good point. Certainly if we had SoC doing what the human brain does, the cooling system necessary would be far different [huge] than what a human body uses.

 

[vinegarshots]

I'll take that bet. I will bet $1000 a Tesla drives fully automatous on public city streets in the next 5 years. DM me and we can set it up. If you want 10K I will do that too since this is the safest bet ever. Again...Waymo already does this.

But before you bet you should watch these videos to get an idea of the current state of the tech:

AI has been the driving engine for Tesla for just about 10 months and the progress is already amazing. 5 years from now will be 2 more hardware upgrades. It actually finally realistically happening.

Nonsense. Waymo works well because it is using a bunch of extra sensor systems instead of just relying on camera vision, plus it requires that the places it drives are pre-mapped.

True full self driving using AI and camera vision is never going to work the way it needs to work unless the AI system is actually running on real AGI (which is not going to happen anytime soon...maybe not even in your lifetime). Why? Because current AI systems are simply predictive systems that operate on probabilistic patterns. That's all they ever will be. And no human makes decisions while driving based purely on probabilistic intentions. A human makes DECISIONS based on logic, reasoning, and intelligence. A human can make decisions based on understanding of concepts like laws of physics.

The same flaws that make LLMs bad at math are the same flaws that make AI systems bad at driving. There are millions of scenarios where AI FSD will fail, because there are millions of scenarios where there will be no training data for the system to use to drive it's behavior. In those types of situations, a human can figure out what to do even if they have never experienced that situation before. AI can't figure out anything.

And yes, there are many many examples to show that Tesla FSD is objectively bad at driving.

 

[iSaul]

Ha choice quote right there. They’ve scraped all they can scrape and they can’t scrape no more!

Nobody seriously thought this was going to be AGI any time soon, not anyone that was paying attention. The agent based approach in the article is the only thing they’ll be good at.

Apple should be fine. All I need Siri to do is understand the data on my phone it already has access to. I don’t need generative anything, just don’t be so dumb.

Siri has gotten progressively worse over the years. For the love of all things please just fix Siri.

 

[ZipZilla]

I need to find an AI Index Fund, so I can short it. AI will wind up being a very big fad that goes nowhere.

 

[CoMoMacUser]

Good. I genuinely hope the AI bubble bursts.

Having lived through the dot-com implosion, I'd rather see it gradually deflate.

 

[adrianlondon]

There appears to be a focus in this thread on self driving cars.

The issue here is when does someone in authority allow these cars on the road, with no driver? If a self driving car injures a person every (made up number) 1 million miles, do we allow them? A million self-driving cars .....

What if it injures a person every 100,000 miles, but us humans injure someone every 90,000 miles. Will someone take the authority and say "yeah, it's not hurting as many people as humans, let's have them". That's what should happen imo, but it's a brave person who authorises this.

Yes, I've just tried to word the Trolley Problem in a cool, modern way

 

[TigerNike23]

What? You mean technology catch-phrases and buzzwords couldn’t make AI grow?

I’m shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

Meanwhile about 10 minutes ago I asked Siri what time the stock market closed. She first showed some local farmers market locations. When I followed up asking when trades cease, she showed a local trade market location. When I asked what time trades stop on the NYSE, she showed me the location and opening hours for the NYSE!

Google told me most trades stop at 4:00 PM Eastern Time. Yeah AI isn’t ready.

 

[Abazigal]

Apple hasn’t been smart, they just missed the boat and not they’re trying to play catch up. But the results are so far pathetic. Image playground is a joke, notifications summary are so bad the whole internet is laughing about it and text generation is abysmal. They have a lot to work if they want to make apple ‘intelligence’ even just vaguely useful.

All this, of course, assumes that AI is here to stay and isn’t just another bubble waiting to pop.

When the dust settles, Apple may again end up being one of the last few standing, in part due to low costs (on device processing), having the money to fund such a feature indefinitely (profitable hardware) and generally just having the discipline to wait and see what works.

 

[krspkbl]

Apple is behind everyone else but yeah sure try make it sound like they are doing the right thing.

OpenAI/Microsoft and Google will still be miles ahead of Apple even if they experience some delays.

 

[tomtad]

I could have told you this years ago

 

[rgwebb]

I'm convinced that trying to build AGI with silicon is essentially like trying to build a poor quality emulator of the human brain-- and an emulator is always going to be worse than a system running natively. There aren't enough researchers seriously considering the possiblity that the human brain is the evolutionary end-point for intelligence because intelligence actually requires our strange biochemical system to function.

Also possible that tech companies are not marshaling the correct researchers to find the missing piece above and beyond pattern matching alone.

 

[NT1440]

Apple is behind everyone else but yeah sure try make it sound like they are doing the right thing.

OpenAI/Microsoft and Google will still be miles ahead of Apple even if they experience some delays.

The entire field is going to collapse. There is not enough data left on the internet to scrape, and any inclusion of artificial data leads to model collapse.

We’re at peak LLM, the billions invested will not be recouped and there will be no more tens of billions invested for ever diminishing returns.

The whole repackaging of applied statistics as “AI” to dumb dumb investors and the illiterate media is a ticking bubble.

There is no “there” there.

 

[vinegarshots]

Also possible that tech companies are not marshaling the correct researchers to find the missing piece above and beyond pattern matching alone.

The problem is that we essentially have 0 understanding of conciousness, which is a big part of the way our mind operates. One cannot find the missing piece until we figure out something that is almost unquantifiable to us in the first place.

 

[cutlub]

Apple love on these forums? Seriously? Everyone hates AVP. Everyone hates Apple Intelligence. Everyone hates everything Apple does. I honestly don't know what people want them to do at this point. If there is another consumer electronics company leading the industry now, please tell me so I can visit their forums.