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Maybe the pilots are holding the plane wrong. :rolleyes:

My opinion is that all personal distraction devices should be put away during take off and landing. Most airline emergencies occur either when the plane is taking off or when it is landing. In the event of an emergency I don't need your device smacking me in the head after flying across the cabin or you fumbling with it when we're trying to get to the emergency exit door. Put it away!

This has got to be the most ridiculous comment of all.
 
You're an engineer, not a scientist. So stop to act like you actually know something.

As an engineer that specializes in investigating software issues with avionics software (mostly things that go bump in the night traced to SEU cosmic ray events and EMI) I assure you, I always take my electronic devices to OFF or Airplane Mode during take-off and landing.

It frustrates me when I hear of politicians that know nothing of safety and electronics try to act like they actually know something of the field.
 
What isn't clear is whether the iphone was in airplane mode or not. I could see a broadcasting iphone, but an iphone in "airplane mode" wont cause EMI issues
 
ABSOLUTELY!!!!

People who bring young kids on flights are the most selfish obnoxious people around.

No, it is quite the other way around. Self-serving individuals like yourself are by far the most obnoxious people around. If you can't be bothered to supply yourself with a pair of headphones or earplugs, you deserve everything you get on an airplane.
 
You are not allowed to bring on large quantities of liquids or gels because they can easily be flammable or explosive substances, disguised to look like juice or toothpaste. Those items can directly cause the loss of an airframe. Interfering with Navigation receivers or radios is not going to (easily) result in a loss of an aircraft, but could interfere with the "most safe" operation of those aircraft. The planes can operate with no radios or navaids with even a complete electrical failure. But it is not the preferred way to run a "most safe" operation. So a thorough investigation into the side-effects of personal electronics is warranted and prudent.

So terrorists need only buy up all of the seats on an airplane and carry a few cell phones each. Eventually, they'll take down a plane somewhere, right?
 
This is not a fair comparison. When you drive a car, your eyes are your primary "instrument", you're travelling much slower than a plane, your margin of error is much higher, you can always slow down or stop if something is wrong, and making a single mistake doesn't mean a high risk that you and all your passengers will be seriously hurt or killed.

When you're in a plane you rely on instruments to tell you where you are, what direction you're pointing, and how to line up for your landing. On a good day your eyes can tell you much of the same information, but on a bad day or at night you rely very much on the instruments. As any small child learns in school, instruments such as compasses can be affected by other (electro)magnetic fields nearby. Who knows what other instruments on board could be affected by RF emissions as well.

I think the problem is not that most iPhones or electronic devices are "unsafe". My iPhone has a built-in compass after all, and it wouldn't work if the phone itself was emitting that much noise.

I suspect that 99.999% of consumer devices wouldn't pose a problem. The problem is that if you make a ruling that allows all electronics, how do you know that one day, somewhere, someone isn't going to bring aboard that 0.001% device that is leaking RF or EM, either because it was badly made or defective? And maybe that happens to be the flight on a plane that's older and has damaged or insufficient shielding, and it's a night-time, stormy, zero-visibility landing...

Slim chance, yes, but how slim is enough? The FAA aren't exactly known for taking risks.

Then why allow electric razors during take off and landing? They ARE allowed.
 
Would it be effectively the same thing if you turn off Wi-Fi and cellular data? I would imagine that those signals have potential for interference; but if they're off, I don't see why you can't leave the iPhone and iPad on; just wondering.

Cellphones and tablets get very quiet EMI wise when they are in Airplane Mode and not being used (screen is off). Very quiet. When they are ON (screen on as in playing a game) they can be rather loud in very specific frequency bands centered on harmonics of the base clock frequency of the CPUs and GPUs. Laptops depend on what type of sleep mode they are in. If they are in a "deep sleep" mode (this is the one that can several seconds to way up from) are essentially off. If the laptop is in a fast wake state, many will "sing" at the frequency of their memory refresh rates.

So I will take laptops to OFF and cellphones and tablets to Airplane mode. During take off and landing (periods of heavy pilot workloads) I will keep all screens off.
 
And so that makes it OK for him to risk my life, and the lives of the other passengers when he has no true knowledge of the effects of his actions? Don't think so.

There is effectively no risk. Your risk of dying because the airlines pay rubbish wages to their pilots, and skimp greatly on training is FAR higher than the risk of dying because someone left a phone on (effectively zero). Time to let it go or never leave the house without a rubber suit and a helmet.
 
Funny how everyone has a degree at something, even pilots. Care to elaborate a bit on your theory how mobile phones _actually_ interfere with navigation systems?


As a pilot with a degree in electrical engineering, I shall sit back and enjoy the proclamations of "There's no way an electronic device could interfere with navigation systems onboard an aircraft" made by people who have no clue what they are talking about....
 
And so that makes it OK for him to risk my life, and the lives of the other passengers when he has no true knowledge of the effects of his actions? Don't think so.

if it happened to him once and survived, odds of a plane crashing again with him on it are astronomical

you should definitely feel safe with him on board
 
There is effectively no risk. Your risk of dying because the airlines pay rubbish wages to their pilots, and skimp greatly on training is FAR higher than the risk of dying because someone left a phone on (effectively zero). Time to let it go.

Well, that takes care of everything, then. You wouldn't mind showing me the scientific evidence you have to back that up, would you? Oh, don't have any? Thought so. Then turn off your damn phone.
 
Maybe the pilots are holding the plane wrong. :rolleyes:

My opinion is that all personal distraction devices should be put away during take off and landing. Most airline emergencies occur either when the plane is taking off or when it is landing. In the event of an emergency I don't need your device smacking me in the head after flying across the cabin or you fumbling with it when we're trying to get to the emergency exit door. Put it away!

So do you by chance read books? They tend to be heavy and potentially just as dangerous in an emergency. Not to mention other non-electronic devices that are potentially bulky and could cause issues that are never asked to be put away.

My point is that if you are going to have all "personal distraction devices" put away, you have to put ALL of it away and just be "bored" for a bit.
 
i don't know the scientific data and i do not side with it one way or another, but i say it's better to be safe than sorry. it's not an inconvenience to shut down your electronics for 10 minutes.
 
I think it's ridiculous that the effects of electronic devices on flight control system is still such a mystery in 2013
 
Hope this is sarcasm... if not, then <something that would get me banned> to you!

OR he can go sit on the wing,

There is however the rumor that air quality on planes is now inferior because banning smoking means they have to re-cycle and scrub the air less because they don't have to clear all the smoke out of the air. Saving them $$$ per flight

one for mythbusters maybe .

(on a side note, didn't mythbusters already cover mobile phones affecting planes instrumentation ?)
 
If iPhones could crash planes, Al Qaeda would just send terrorists onto planes with iPhones and have them turn airplane mode off during takeoff :rolleyes:

On numerous occasions I've forgotten to turn my stuff off or even turn on airplane mode and I'm still alive. Guarantee you on every flight that takes off there's at least one person who forgot (or didn't want to) turn off their stuff and air travel has never been safer. If they really caused problems, planes would be falling out of the sky.
 
Well, that takes care of everything, then. You wouldn't mind showing me the scientific evidence you have to back that up, would you? Oh, don't have any? Thought so. Then turn off your damn phone.

As I've said here time and again; the research has been done. We have 20+ years of data and millions upon millions of flights to prove it. Since EVERY plane that crashes is investigated thoroughly, and NO crash has ever been attributed to consumer electronics, what more could you ask for?

I'm sorry that flying causes you so much anxiety. I'd suggest you stay off planes as I can guarantee that a good portion of your fellow passengers aren't turning their electronics off.
 
I actually also have a degree: Statistics among others. And it is proven beyond any doubt that the likelihood of mobile phones posing a risk is zero for all practical implications.
 
My take: if there is even a suspicion that these devices have an impact, the rule should remain.

Science > fear.

Politics should not determine what the rules are for electronic devices on planes.

Passenger convenience should not determine what the rules are for electronic devices on planes.

Airline preferences should not determine what the rules are for electronic devices on planes.

Scientific analysis should determine what the rules are for electronic devices on planes.

This.
 
i don't know the scientific data and i do not side with it one way or another, but i say it's better to be safe than sorry. it's not an inconvenience to shut down your electronics for 10 minutes.

It's not 10 minutes. It's from leaving the gate to 10,000'. That's an hour at many airports on each end of the flight.
 
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