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Being in the Apple ecosystem, airpod Pro’s have been convenient to use. Now I also have a Shure A50 and B&0 H95 (both wireless with ANC). For me the key to AirPod Max pricing is, what is the sound quality is like? If it’s anything like the H95 that is priced at £700, it will be a steal. Mind you the AirPod Max bluetooth codec is AAC/SBC, which is less than many much cheaper Bluetooth/ANC brands.
But Airpods have the advantage they don't switch to SBC when using Siri like other brands do when their mic is enabled for a voice command. Which gives the illusion of much higher mic quality because the quality of Siri's voice is kept on the high quality AAC codec rather than sounding worse than a phone call on other brands. SBC only shows its ugly head on Airpods during voice calls and sadly on TV broadcast home interviews but I think once people understand it they switch to wired for important video calls or podcast/youtube recordings.
 
Is it a niche segment today? Absolutely. But what I see happening is that Apple entering this segment will take it from being something for a 0.01% market segment to being a 2-5% market segment in within 2 or 3 years, and then owning the majority of this new market. I expect Bose and Sony too to follow with 'higher end' offerings.
 
In a sense it is a niche market segment, but then also considering the fact that there are audiophiles that are willing to spend that kind of money, it doesn't really trouble me at all tbh.

Very curious how it sounds in real life once it's out though. It'll be very very interesting to see how it stands up to competitions like Sennheiser and other brands' offerings.
 
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But Airpods have the advantage they don't switch to SBC when using Siri like other brands do when their mic is enabled for a voice command. Which gives the illusion of much higher mic quality because the quality of Siri's voice is kept on the high quality AAC codec rather than sounding worse than a phone call on other brands. SBC only shows its ugly head on Airpods during voice calls and sadly on TV broadcast home interviews but I think once people understand it they switch to wired for important video calls or podcast/youtube recordings.

AAC still has worse bitrate than aptx HD/Adaptive and LDAC. AirPod Max is using basic codec and charging a premium. Like I said , for me the key is the sound quality, which is what a so called “audiophiles “ will be focusing on. The H95 sound as good or better than my AirPods Pro’s in phonecalls and podcasts. As for music, the AirPods Pro cannot compete with my Shure A50 or H95. To be fair, both are headphones and not earphones.
 
Hopefully this will apply to iPhone mini as well. Sales data reveals it is a niche product, or at least, the least popular iPhone size by far.

Agreed, I don't want them to only build products that have to be a massive success - it's also strange that people on this forum seem to class anything that isn't the best selling thing a "flop" or a "disaster" too. I want them to see value in choice and vision and also making the occasional esoteric and niche product - a thousand pound monitor stand as if they're a small bespoke company.
 
Indeed, the price has raised eyebrows and led some commentators to question Apple's market strategy for the headphones. Nevertheless, AirPods Max quickly sold out when they were unveiled on Tuesday, and are now backordered until March in all colors.
Some commentators never learn.

Totally agree. Apple just want professional sports players and artists to wear these to strengthen their brand.

Premier League footballers for example are filmed live on TV every week getting off the coaches and going into the dressing rooms with a pair of Apple AirPods. Now it will be these.
I doubt it. Apple’s strategy is to hope the financially comfortable, a segment where the Apple ecosystem is already prevalent, realize that spending $550 instead of $300 for top quality headphones is no big deal. And they will, because the truth of it is that $250 is nothing to the target market.

why would anyone want a cumbersome piece of metal over their head. headphones not bag of cement.
Maybe, y’know, wear them before deciding how heavy they feel.
 
Big, heavy, expensive, and lets robbers know exactly who to target. I would rather stick with my airpods. Maybe if future revisions can bring the cost down I might get one for home use only
Never understood people who wear big over ear headphones or AirPods in the street.

Walking about these days requires complete attention. Cutting off one of your senses is just you asking to be mugged.

The only time I wear big headphones is at home. When I’m travelling I use AirPods but only when I’m sat for long periods on a train or flight.
 
Never understood people who wear big over ear headphones or AirPods in the street.

Walking about these days requires complete attention. Cutting off one of your senses is just you asking to be mugged.
"Transparency mode". Nothing is cut off. You hear all your surroundings. Good at work as well. And I absolutely hate sticking anything into my ears.
 
I'm not sure I agree about this "niche" argument. I don't buy expensive earbuds because they're fiddly and easy to lose, and have relatively poor battery life. I'm happy to stick with the cheap wired earpods. But a good pair of noise cancelling over-ear headphones? I tend to spend a lot of money on those, as do many people I know.

Sure, sales volumes will be higher for earbuds. But what about ASPs and margins?
You and your friends are in the minority. Earbuds sell better and have for a while. Even if margins are better for the Airpods Max, they can still be a niche product.

Even then, these things cost almost twice what comparable Sony and Bose do with some distinct disadvantages like higher weight, no hard case and worse battery life.

I own a pair of WH1000XM3s. They were expensive and are good, but in my country the Airpods Max are literally over twice the price of XM4s. I think only Apple diehards will be able to justify them.
 
I'm curious about these. I've had Bose QC 35's for four years now and I use them as a way to isolate myself from the noise at home or in the office (no need for that at the moment since working from home). They're pricey, sure, but the Bose headphones weren't cheap either.
No way of knowing until I either get my own hands on them or honest reviews come in instead of iJustine's self-loving and other tripe.
 
Whats with all the muggings phobia , never in my life I witnessed or experienced one , pushing 4 decades now .... who is going to mug you for your headphones .... its like stealing TV`s , it isnt a thing anymore , its not worth the risk.
Walking in some deserted alley at 2 in the morning , sure maybe you get mug , but it wont be because you are walking about with your headphones on.
 
AAC still has worse bitrate than aptx HD/Adaptive and LDAC. AirPod Max is using basic codec and charging a premium. Like I said , for me the key is the sound quality, which is what a so called “audiophiles “ will be focusing on. The H95 sound as good or better than my AirPods Pro’s in phonecalls and podcasts. As for music, the AirPods Pro cannot compete with my Shure A50 or H95. To be fair, both are headphones and not earphones.
Bitrate is pointless when comparing different codecs. AAC is FAR more dynamic and better in every way than AptX. It comes at a cost of latency, but at the benefit that there’s no re-encoding of the signal. And to reiterate, sounds better and is completely transparent at 256 kbps.
 
Some say Apple is ‘artificially controlling the numbers’, I say it’s a new product segment that others are ready to experience. But you know, conspiracy theories on Macrumors aren’t reflective of the outside world.
I would take a middle-ground assumption. Apple was extremely conservative with initial production run. It's new. It's $$. Best case tons of people order it and will wait, that creates a buzz and possibly manufactures demand and eliminates any risk for Apple (even though in this case it's not even a drop in the bucket for Apple). So it's not that they're artificially controlling the numbers per se, they are just not aggressively ensuring the numbers could be interpreted as weak.

Sure they could have converted or built additional production lines with the #1 company goal to make sure anyone that wants one of these on day 1 has them (so make iPhone-caliber production #s just in case) but they have no reason whatsoever to do that. Thus far, people seem very happy to wait (like good little boys and girls) while Apple works on getting the latest and greatest to them weeks/months after purchase request. The only way this would ever end is if people start cancelling orders and impulse buying competitors' products...or through tracking Apple sees people getting to the page where it shows backorder time and bailing on the purchase. It would appear they're not seeing enough signs of that to change their initial run strategies. (Or all of my theories are wrong which is certainly very likely since I've no idea what I'm talking about.)
 
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What year is this? 2010?

Beats have had excellent sound quality since the Solo2’s.
I wouldn’t say excellent no,but yes they are decent sound quality after Solo 3.no longer that bass heavy hiphop only cans.
the whole package,battery life,easily connection,good design and good enough sound.

For excellent sound,you need to look elsewhere.

wireless: Sennheiser,Sony (only XM3,XM4),B&W,B&O,Bose(decent sound not excellent ,but great noise cancelling,and excellent comfort).

absolute best sound quality (wired): Beyerdynamic,Grado,etc
 
I have a pair of these on order. I like the ease of use of the AirPods, but I just cannot do earbuds. After about 20 minutes they hurt my ears too much. Even the AirPods Pro.
 
I wouldn’t say excellent no,but yes they are decent sound quality after Solo 3.no longer that bass heavy hiphop only cans.
the whole package,battery life,easily connection,good design and good enough sound.

For excellent sound,you need to look elsewhere.

wireless: Sennheiser,Sony (only XM3,XM4),B&W,B&O,Bose(decent sound not excellent ,but great noise cancelling,and excellent comfort).

absolute best sound quality (wired): Beyerdynamic,Grado,etc

Nope. Excellent, key word, since Solo2. Especially at the On-Ear ≈200 dollar market. Better than Sennheiser, and Sony isn’t even part of the discussion.

 
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