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Correct. Even though currently the AAC stream in Apple Music is recompressed again to AAC for bluetooth transmission. It would be nice if the Airpods Max were capable of passing trough the AAC stream untouched.

Erfon Elijah says in his first impressions youtube video that they will connect to Apple devices using Airplay, which is absolutely nonsense, particularly battery wise. Do your research, people, for god´s sake!
Wait, what, even when streaming via Apple's own music service to these headphones you're hearing audio which has been lossy converted TWICE and then transmitted and converted back to analogue again??

And they think audiophiles are going to be even remotely interested in this kind of nonsense?!
 
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Pretty sure audiophiles are not the target audience, which I believe to be anyone, audiophile or not, who can afford $550 headphones who wants wireless cans with ANC on the go or in environments where ANC makes sense. I like my headphones but when I'm commuting or traveling, I sacrifice audio quality for convenience.
 
iJustine has reached a new level of cringe for me. Her "reviews" are nothing more than her trying to be cute for the camera and fawning over whatever product Apple has given her for free. The least she could do is act somewhat professional and not like a 12 year old girl trying to mug for the camera.
Eh, that's exactly why I watch her -- and I expect that's why other people watch her. She's just doing a little wacky stuff that life needs. I don't expect critical opinions from her. It's fine.
 
My biggest complaint is the price. Unfortunately, I can't afford them right now due to Corona has cut my income and as a professional musician, I need a new pair of studio headphones. I thought these were going to be it. Since they are not, I have to invest in some other brand for studio headphones for my work. Otherwise, I definitely would have ordered these. I'm hoping in the future a 2nd generation or 3rd generation will have the improvements professional musicians need such as a jack for wired connection. Then it will make sense for me to buy.

I would be really really surprised if Apple ever puts in an audio jack. Their stand on that is clear, they are removing them from devices not adding. And on the Beats headphone they are pretty much a disaster, often breaking. I know that on the Bose headphones I had the audio jack was a failure point. For those that really need a wired connection Apple's fall back is the firewire adapter.
 
Pretty sure audiophiles are not the target audience, which I believe to be anyone, audiophile or not, who can afford $550 headphones who wants wireless cans with ANC on the go or in environments where ANC makes sense. I like my headphones but when I'm commuting or traveling, I sacrifice audio quality for convenience.
Sure, but if we're talking about sacrificing audio quality for portable noise cancellation the Sony headphones do this for half the price, 2/3rds of the weight and without various other deal-breaking compromises of these headphones.

I just don't get it.... at all.
 
Wait, what, even when streaming via Apple's own music service to these headphones you're hearing audio which has been lossy converted TWICE and then transmitted and converted back to analogue again??

And they think audiophiles are going to be even remotely interested in this kind of nonsense?!

One conversion Master to AAC (Apple Music AAC streams direct via bluetooth without re-compressing)

Or

Lossless to Bluetooth AAC if the lossless files are the source

However if you are streaming from Spotify its two conversions at minimum Master to Spotify/OGG to AAC. I'd guess the same goes for Tidal as it uses FLAC

But as these are not passive cans there has gotta be a whole lot of processing going on post source as well.

Not that it's different to any other bluetooth cans. Execution is what's going to matter.
 
Sure, but if we're talking about sacrificing audio quality for portable noise cancellation the Sony headphones do this for half the price, 2/3rds of the weight and without various other deal-breaking compromises of these headphones.

I just don't get it.... at all.
Not sure I understand it, either :) I'm not buying these things but as a headphone enthusiast I do like to know what these are and will be capable of. For me, over ears are not portable. I have only in-ears when I leave the house. For the noisy office environment that I have not visited since March, I already have closed cans that suffice.
 
It's an over $500 headphone, should be like everything else in it's price class and come with the jack as users traditionally spending this amount of money also listen to much higher quality than 256kbps AAC over Bluetooth. Adding an a ****** $5 dongle, to your potentially thousands of dollars set up should not be required.

But let's be fair, you're right. This is a Giffen good, not aimed at people buying headphones for more than $500 rather at people buying for $200-$300 but so much love with Apple stuff that they can justify the price ;)
Why would Apple develop an also-ran product? The plain fact is Apple caters towards wireless audio. If that’s a deal breaker for someone, that’s a dealbreaker.

I just don’t understand how people get perpetually offended by not being the target audience for a product?
 
They were the examples given. My airpods were $99, despite them having a $159 price at launch. They've been "on sale" for months at 20% off. Homepod was $100 off for a while too.


Well, looking at the specs I can tell that they're about 30% heavier than comparable headphones and around $200 more expensive. Sound quality is limited in many instances to bluetooth codec support and audio file encoding, but since Apple doesn't say what the frequency response is, I can't even begin to tell you about the sound quality. Except that they've positioned the price point past the point of deminishing returns for most people, who probably wouldn't even notice the sounds difference compared to a $350 pair.
OK...that sounds like a roundabout way of saying you haven't listened to them. And thus cannot assess the sound quality or comfort, the most important attributes when judging headphones.
 
Why would Apple develop an also-ran product? The plain fact is Apple caters towards wireless audio. If that’s a deal breaker for someone, that’s a dealbreaker.

I just don’t understand how people get perpetually offended by not being the target audience for a product?
i think that is key word mate you hit the nail on the head, target audience.
I would love an xdr display but i am not target for those not content creator business person.
 
iJustine is the most biased apple reviewer on the planet, I take anything she says with a grain of salt.
I'd never heard of her until reading this thread. Fact is, if it means nothing to me, I don't tend to consume that kind of content. Not even curious. I don't even have to assess what she says knowing fully well that not having to hear it means I don't have to care. Life's just too short to have an opinion on YouTube people and I'm a YouTube person, though you probably wouldn't know it. Bias is everywhere, even in your own dreams if you let it in.
 
.....

I’m curious though because I haven’t seen this anywhere. There’s no “Hey Siri” option, correct?

Gotta wake her with the push of the crown?

From what I have watched and read it does have hands-free Hey Siri, it’s just that you can activate her with pushing + holding down the Digital Crown as well. I mean.. I could be wrong but from what I can tell its there.
 
Here we are..... Now that all the trolls did and will continue to do their thing. Watch these come close or blow away the sound of headphones that cost the same or even many times more.
Still waiting, the reviewers that matter are not blown away vs other brands.
 
Wait, what, even when streaming via Apple's own music service to these headphones you're hearing audio which has been lossy converted TWICE and then transmitted and converted back to analogue again??

And they think audiophiles are going to be even remotely interested in this kind of nonsense?!

Sadly, yes. Bluetooth limitations. Pass trough is not currently possible ( because of system sounds, notifications, calls, Siri...). Although in AAC defense, I will say that one transcode from AAC to AAC is transparent, particularly on IOS and Mac Os implementation.


This issue is why we need lossless streaming, even if the use case is going to be bluetooth headphones. Better sound quality.
 
MB does indeed very briefly references sound quality ("very good") and noise cancellation in his first impressions video, and explicitly says he will cover them at full in the upcoming review video (from the 08:00 minute mark onwards).
yes all the youtubers are under embargo not allowed to do comparisons and full reviews until told, all you will get is first impressions and unboxing, dont know when embargo lifts.
 
Like Apple would let anyone but a known positive review them?
yes they would and they have. If you think The Verge is always positive with respect to Apple, you're nuts. Not all reviewers are anywhere close to iJustine. And those publications you listed also reviewed the HomePod which gave it very positive reviews with respect to sound quality.
 
I’ve been using a set of AKG K-55 cans since 2002. Any possibility of these lasting as long? I’m starting to look for a replacement set.
Bingo. This is exactly why I don't own any expensive wireless headphones. Good cans last decades.

Nice that Apple made the ridiculously expensive ear cups easy to replace; but what about the BATTERY? What about the DAC/wireless board in 5 years when things change/improve?
 
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