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Nevermind- it's up!

Edit: Shipping says December 30 for both stock models. Seems to have gone down again though.
 
yup, the Sharp 4k display.
No new keyboard or mouse (boooo)
and D500's are minimum on anything above the entry level model.
$7k for the minimum 12 core.

wait

It looks like if you start with the base model, you can add the 12 core without the D500's.
Not bad for folks that are sure they dont need heavy graphics cards.
 
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And also there's Power Mac Cube.

But that doesn't stop Apple for making and selling Mac Mini which proves to be (relatively) more successful.

But again Mini is a relatively cheap, basic computer for daily purposes made of laptop components, and disguised as desktop. How about me (and I belive many other people) want a reasonably powerful desktop computer with desktop components?
iMac fills the gap alright, except it's a sealed system, mostly made of laptop components and sold with a built in display I might not need. It's really huge, heavy and cumbersome when it's time for moving, upgrade, or bring it in for a repair.

Apple's never been about the cheap computer. The mini is what they call cheap and although decent you're not getting much if you're comparing it to a Pro system. I don't see them changing that scenario so for those who don't want to build their own hackintosh with relatively similar components to save money, you're just going to have to save up. I'm saving up for the 2nd gen. of this iteration of the Mac.
 
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I don't get this, honestly! I use iMac myself and do lots of photo/video editing and it works fine for me. But i though Mac Pro is aimed to professional/business users, no? If so, why such a struggle to buy this Mac Pro that you want to sale your soul or rob a bank?

I read another post at the start where another forum member jokingly was offering his kidney!! I don't think everyone needs this Mac Pro.

Ok mr. Can't take a joke. Want and need are two different things. If you can't find humor in this obvious joke, you might have a dead soul...
 
You have PCIe based flash storage?

You have a Xeon e5?

ECC memory?

Complete system stability?

..."MUCH more powerful"...

Doubt it.

PCIe Flash, Check, SSD Boot, but ive a rather nice PCIe flash card for "workspace" http://www.scan.co.uk/products/240g...force-2281-830mbs-read-810mbs-write-100k-iops

Oh and i can "easily" add more if i want as i have 3 PCIE slots free.

ECC Memory, check,

Currently running an "old" school 10 core 2011 Xeon, but its an easy upgrade when i come to it, swap out mobo and cpu, rather than buy a new system.

Its as stable as ANY system, just because your buying apple, or dell, or HP, or self building doesn't mean its "less" or "more" stable, im running the same OS on the same sort of hardware, difference is, my hardware is user replaceable with off the shelf parts, and because of that flexibility, can be far more powerful, at a much cheaper price.
 
SSD Raid? I'm assuming RAID 0? It's my understanding that SSD Stripes can actually be slower then a single SSD, especially for random access. Nonetheless, are they faster then the PCIe flash that new Mac Pro has?

Redundant 8TB internal raid? What if you wanted to go for more? What if you wanted to quickly and easily access that data on another system? Messy thunderbolt cables? Sorry but, the pro world uses external drives and arrays as part of the norm. Some/larger studios will even use SANs. It's also lot easier to transfer storage between systems when its external and when your not dependent upon the "RAID" implementation internal to the hardware (which I'm guessing is probably software based anyway).

The thunderbolt expansion also opens the door to Cubix like enclosures (didn't they once announce a TB one?) and other devices (capture, output devices, etc) that are convenient to use between systems (ie workstation and laptop).

And, what kind of video cards do you have in that system? Are they officially supported?

Are you able to apply updates as they come out if they fix an issue your having? (I'm not sure how that works with hackintoshes… ) Whats stability like with professional software? (Resolve, Nuke, Maya, etc)?

PCIE http://www.scan.co.uk/products/240g...force-2281-830mbs-read-810mbs-write-100k-iops which i set as a "workspace"

compatability is 100%, because macs are just PCS with a bit of code in the Unix installer they use to artificially prevent the OS installing on "non-supported hardware", easy to remove and bypass, then the hardware underlying is the same, just a PC

Nvidia handily have decent support for OSX and i much prefer having Nvidia in they system than AMD (personal preference as well as occasionally needing to boot to windows to run Cuda stuff)

Internal raid means i can do a local build, package it, then send it out to the SAN, no messy wires and extra boxes locally, thunderbolt is NOT an answer to anything, in fact external raid arrays are not an answer anymore unless your adopting the apple "many boxes" desktop design, .. its local ---> san , no mess,

Never had a problem with any hackintosh build since Snow Leopard when i built my 1st one, they have always "just worked" , sometimes they need a small poke when certain updates come out one in a while, but i will take that once or twice a year hour of re-patching when in trade i get a better suited system, easier to maintain hardware, and, up-gradable at the drop of a hat rather than disposable.
 
The Xeon's 32-bit benchmarks are out, and it's significantly faster than the i7. Xeon tends to be faster for multi-core. Having TWO FirePro D300 GPUs has got to be better than ONE GeForce 775M (especially if you want more than just the 2 monitors the iMac supports). Didn't know the iMac had PCI-based SSD, but yeah you're right about that. Wow, a 1TB PCI-based SSD in an iMac was unthinkable just a few years ago.

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Didn't know that, and I heard from an unreliable source that you can't replace it. That's good if you can.

As has already been pointed out, the i7 in the iMac outperforms the E5-1620 in the base model MP in almost all real world situations. Unless you need some of the memory advantages you get out of a Xeon, there is no big performance increase.

The D300 (FirePro W5000) in the base MP is actually a mid range part from 2012, roughly equivalent to a Radeon HD7770. The 775m on the other hand uses more modern part that pretty much trounces the D300 in raw graphical performance. Like I said, the only time you would see a any advantage from having dual D300's is with applications that can utilize OpenCL.
 
Use a symbol then mr! Plenty here and best of all, they are free.

I did use a symbol... Also I advertised a "slightly used and sinful soul"... it doesn't get more ludicrous sounding than that.

You might need your humor meter checked at the genius bar.
 
I'm sorry but where did you find Xeon's 32 bit benchmark? I found this as a comparison.

CPU wise, Xeon E5 is outdated compared to i7 4771 found on iMac. And that's quad vs. quad. No doubt hex and dual Xeon config obviously will be faster.

Sorry, I made a mistake. PrimateLabs has CPU benchmarks, but it doesn't have the same exact processor found in the new Mac Pros.

What I'm wondering is why Apple doesn't take advantage of the ability to have two Xeons on one motherboard. Maybe they're saving it for the next Mac Pro?
 
Cool story, bro.

Until that last paragraph.

All of our Dells and HPs have 3 year next-business day on-site service as standard. (We don't upgrade to 24x7 four hour service for personal systems, but do for critical infrastructure servers.)

Your uni is "buying it wrong".

Well to be fair, although I understand it was easy to confuse, I was talking about USE of machines for scientific / educational use in separate statement to the warranty.

Personal and even small business Dell / HP warranty is rubbish compared to apple. Oddly however their monitor warranty is fantastic is for all.
 
Every product is not designed to sell millions overnight, even at Apple.

I'm more concerned that it won't sell well at all given it's a computer that seems like it's designed for a rather abstract market segment (too expensive for regular consumers and missing too many features for most pros). If it won't sell in large enough numbers, Apple will simply can the computer entirely and the Mac Pro (and the Pro market in general) will simply be no more. Apple's prop market share has already degraded a lot from complete and total utterly neglect. I'm afraid the new Mac Pro is the final nail in Apple's Pro market segment coffin.
 
Arguing over semantics now, are you? This is a desktop workstation computer. Satisfied?

And if I may ask what makes people feel special about owning this kind of computer? It starts at $2999 and I could just build $8000 PC system. But then what? That makes me god?

In real world, engineering and science fields rarely rely on a Mac. They do Linux and often their daily software run exclusively on Windows workstation, many dated back to XP.

Feeling special? WTF?... that comment makes zero sense.

I own an animation/fx studio. We buy them as tools. That's what they are. Accelerated development of projects is what it is all about. We use render farms for our final renders. But when working on a project you need a very fast, responsive workstation to see your work quickly. You don't have the luxury of waiting long periods of time for a frame to render.

And actually... Macs are used quite frequently in the science fields. NASA's Jet Propulsion Labs is a good example. They are nearly pure Mac-based.
 
Well to be fair, although I understand it was easy to confuse, I was talking about USE of machines for scientific / educational use in separate statement to the warranty.

Personal and even small business Dell / HP warranty is rubbish compared to apple. Oddly however their monitor warranty is fantastic is for all.

NO!

SoHo and Corporate Dell and HP warranty is the best game in town.

24 hour ON LOCATION service and repair from a certified tech. No waiting in line with a bunch of iPhone customer complaining about their battery life.

You get SAME DAY repair and in some cases (if you have the money) you get PROactive monitoring of your system so Dell can stop an issue before it happens.

That last option is of course only when you drop $100,000 on a 40 core system with a terabyte of RAM.
 
NO!

SoHo and Corporate Dell and HP warranty is the best game in town.

24 hour ON LOCATION service and repair from a certified tech. No waiting in line with a bunch of iPhone customer complaining about their battery life.

You get SAME DAY repair and in some cases (if you have the money) you get PROactive monitoring of your system so Dell can stop an issue before it happens.

That last option is of course only when you drop $100,000 on a 40 core system with a terabyte of RAM.

Interesting. Good to know it's decent now. Just had a look at the costs not too bad £127 for 3 years on the 4hr mission critical... but believe it when i see it ;)

But to be honest there is no waiting with an Apple business account. You deal with a completely different team in the store. Phone up. Go in and it's done. No iPhone queues
 
Interesting. Good to know it's decent now. Just had a look at the costs not too bad £127 for 3 years on the 4hr mission critical... but believe it when i see it ;)

But to be honest there is no waiting with an Apple business account. You deal with a completely different team in the store. Phone up. Go in and it's done. No iPhone queues

True that about the Apple business side. I miss Procare dearly. I use to flash that card and make people jealous.

The Dell and HP care varies by the way. It depends heavily upon the 3rd party contractors in your area. Maryland has SO MANY of them that are very good. Mostly because of D.C.
 
Put 'em in a series of tubes.

DISCLAIMER: This is not my idea, I saw it in a thread here yesterday and now I can't remember which so instead of linking I'll just re-post. Behold the nMP rack:

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