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All of this stuff from Google is fun but it never quite works as advertised or is useless once you actually go to use it. And yes Apple has yet to release anything great as far as AI is concerned and when they do I am sure it will be just as fun but useless too. So lets quite comparing the size of these companies wieners and use what works best for us. For me that is an iPhone. For someone else that might be a Pixel. Who really cares ? Not me.
 
It’s kinda funny that the one feature you’ve praised after saying Apple can’t ship this stuff is one that Apple is shipping in weeks and is already being used by beta users.

Maybe just ease off on the hyperbole.
Yes used in facetime. I am hoping that WhatsApp is able to take advantage of the live translation features in ios26 like they have been doing for a few years already in Android
 
Interesting how little this does. Their big idea is to help you call an airline? Who calls anymore? The airline apps are mostly quite useful. Also, airlines now make it really hard to talk to a live person.

If AI could really do useful stuff Google would have headlined it here. The buried lede is that while AI is interesting it doesn’t yet do much that is really valuable that we can’t do now.
 
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Of course they are optimizing their models. But it is hardly a Nobel Prize. What I meant was a bit of tongue in cheek of course. But still, I feel Apple has in general been focusing on the wrong things lately: ai efforts being put into creating Genmoji’s, redesign of Photos that nobody likes instead of focusing on improving the core part of the app (e.g. still not able to make an Album shareable after the you created it: are you kidding me??? Lackluster Raw support etc), an invite app that nobody uses. With the man power and splurgeable money Apple has have it is a bit sad to see really.
I guess I’m just pushing back on the popular narrative that Apple is incompetent and doing nothing, and the ever creeping feeling that this forum is actually the Apple Haters Club.

It is clear that they’ve made a few missteps, but I actually feel that their AI philosophy is actually better in the long run. They just need to start getting runs in the board.

I love that they’ve built a framework so that devs can easily utilise the on-device AI in their apps, and am looking forward to seeing that they come up with.

I feel that everyone is looking at Genmoji, which is a fun(?), silly, shallow thing, and Siri which is tragically limited, and conflating them to be Apple’s entire AI strategy.
 
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Makes me want to keep my Oppo phone for as long as I can, only basic Gemini rubbish was on it, but I uninstalled that. Not that I would buy a pixel phone.
When my phone goes belly up, it is getting on now, I will buy another cheap phone, the cheaper phones don't have much if any of this AI rubbish on.
 
It’s called a Bubble! And the crash and burn will be along sometime soon, as investors realize they’ll never make the fairy-gold unicorn profits they were sold!

Even Altman has said the bubble is going to pop.
For reference: https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/759965/sam-altman-openai-ai-bubble-interview

And he is absolutely right. And he, better than anyone, knows that using AI for any and all frivolous little use cases isn't sustainable/possible without investors handing out ridiculous amounts of capital. The electric bill is going to come due at some point and then the noise will go away.

Despite all of the hype and the relentless (!) attempts to insert ‘AI’ into anything and everything (poorly), there is true innovation, and we will see a transformed world within the next decade. And we won’t necessarily be happy with the results, either.
There are some very good innovations and enhancements that have been enabled by the hype. Things like NotebookLM, GraphRAG and LightRAG are pretty amazing actually and, when used correctly, enable efficiencies that don't necessarily replace a human, but will make their job easier or make their output better.

y witnessed a demo last week of a system being implemented which will create new product ‘teams’ comprised of 80% AI agents and 20% Humans. This is not a small company by any means, and the impact will be felt throughout their industry. That’s in one specific industry, but (and others are watching) it’s just going to be one of the first wave to embrace the change.
To some extent it is just the natural progression of automation. How many human jobs are there in a modern auto assembly plant vs 20, 40 and 60 years ago?

On the other hand, I doubt the effectiveness of AI in any job that benefits from human creativity or ingenuity. Any AI product I've seen that claims to be able to do this is swimming so deep in the Kool-Aid that they're peeing purple while turning out mass quantities of slop.
 
On the other hand, I doubt the effectiveness of AI in any job that benefits from human creativity or ingenuity. Any AI product I've seen that claims to be able to do this is swimming so deep in the Kool-Aid that they're peeing purple while turning out mass quantities of slop.
Oops: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-lying-about-chatbot-productivity-union-says/


Really want a foldable iPhone
While I'll admit a foldable will be more useful to more people, I'd really like a flip style iPhone that opens to a Max sized display.
 
Excluding Spanish, only about 5-8% of Americans are fluent in a second language.

I agree bilingual or better fluency is important but it isn't taught well and isn't weighted heavily in the education system and hardly anyone pursues it when they're older so features like this matter a lot for those that travel internationally.

That's like saying excluding English, only ~6% of Europeans are fluent in a second language.
 
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That's like saying excluding English, only ~6% of Europeans are fluent in a second language.
It doesn't negate my point at all about international travel. If you want to be pedantic, that's your prerogative, but your data here is also wrong and I'll elaborate.

Roughly 20% of Europeans can speak 3 languages including English.

Per Pew Research, 92% of Europeans study a foreign language in their primary education vs. only 20% of American students.

The raw data on where is even more interesting, because many northern states offer a greater amount of foreign language education vs. southern states, which is the inverse of what you'd expect given border proximity and cultural enclaves.

Sources attached.


So anyway, the live translation feature is very useful for the vast majority of Americans traveling outside of North America, and still useful for many Americans in North America who never learned Spanish, which is most of them.

The post I was replying to was talking about shared cultures etc. and this type of technology that allows you to understand people helps connection in a frictionless way which is great.

As I said I think people should still learn a second language regardless, for both the cultural and neurological benefits.
 

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It doesn't negate my point at all about international travel. If you want to be pedantic, that's your prerogative, but your data here is also wrong and I'll elaborate.

Roughly 20% of Europeans can speak 3 languages including English.

Per Pew Research, 92% of Europeans study a foreign language in their primary education vs. only 20% of American students.

The raw data on where is even more interesting, because many northern states offer a greater amount of foreign language education vs. southern states, which is the inverse of what you'd expect given border proximity and cultural enclaves.

Sources attached.


So anyway, the live translation feature is very useful for the vast majority of Americans traveling outside of North America, and still useful for many Americans in North America who never learned Spanish, which is most of them.

The post I was replying to was talking about shared cultures etc. and this type of technology that allows you to understand people helps connection in a frictionless way which is great.

As I said I think people should still learn a second language regardless, for both the cultural and neurological benefits.

Translation tech is especially useful for Americans, but the baseline European multilingual advantage is stronger than your 20% framing makes it sound.
 
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It doesn't negate my point at all about international travel. If you want to be pedantic, that's your prerogative, but your data here is also wrong and I'll elaborate.

Roughly 20% of Europeans can speak 3 languages including English.

Per Pew Research, 92% of Europeans study a foreign language in their primary education vs. only 20% of American students.

The raw data on where is even more interesting, because many northern states offer a greater amount of foreign language education vs. southern states, which is the inverse of what you'd expect given border proximity and cultural enclaves.

Sources attached.


So anyway, the live translation feature is very useful for the vast majority of Americans traveling outside of North America, and still useful for many Americans in North America who never learned Spanish, which is most of them.

The post I was replying to was talking about shared cultures etc. and this type of technology that allows you to understand people helps connection in a frictionless way which is great.

As I said I think people should still learn a second language regardless, for both the cultural and neurological benefits.
Edit: I just realized the chart is about 'study' vs actual language capability!
The two can be very different based on the student's learning skills, as well as the school's quality. Everyone in my high school way back when (like 40 years ago ;)) studied a second language, it was required for 2 years at minimum. But most had nowhere near even a true intermediate-level fluency at the end of two years. My observation was that both the teaching materials, teacher quality, the administration's lack of real concern (about foreign languages), and then most students' similar disinterest in second or third languages as just 'not useful' in their projected lives. Even some students who really did apply themselves could not function using the second language after 2 or even 3 years of study (and they were smart kids).

Where do the UK and Ireland fall on second/third language studies? It's odd that this chart left them off.
I'm just thinking that although I would expect the UK to have a much higher percentage of 2-language or more speakers than we do in the US, I also expect their numbers are significantly lower than the rest of Europe.
As to the US numbers, I am shocked that they're that low, even in the Northeast, Southwest, and Southeastern states.
 
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