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I could care less, as long as the user experience remains smooth like it always has been.

Do you think the constant Safari crashes as soon as you have too many tabs open also qualifies as "smooth like always has been"?

Optimization is crucial, but sometimes a bit more of muscle is also welcome.
 
I'm sure that it can't use Virtual Memory.

From apple
Both OS X and iOS include a fully-integrated virtual memory system that you cannot turn off; it is always on. Both systems also provide up to 4 gigabytes of addressable space per 32-bit process. In addition, OS X provides approximately 18 exabytes of addressable space for 64-bit processes. Even for computers that have 4 or more gigabytes of RAM available, the system rarely dedicates this much RAM to a single process.
 
YES this times a million....

Android devices are virtually disposable. You may get one software upgrade if you are lucky and chances are it will screw up the device anyway.

What many who have only used Apple devices or (rarely) used Android devices keep failing to understand or acknowledge is that the update path is very different (or has been).

Android doesn't need full OS updates to achieve additional/better functionality because all of the core apps are constantly updated many times a year. And now that Google has play services tightly integrated - many OS features don't even need to go through OEMs or carriers.

It's a different model.

That being said - I'm just not one of those people who buys a device for what it might be able to do in the future - but rather what it can do for me today. So I've never been hung up on whether or not I get the new OS - but rather that the devices I am using gets the necc bug fixes (if there are issues.)
 
When the number of general purpose registers increases and their size increases, that means more ram is used for each running app (when the data in those registers has to be stored temporarily in ram). Which means even less ram or other apps to use.

Andandtech's review last year mentioned this. http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9 (scroll down to Memory Size & The Impact of 64-bit Applications)

No, the size and number of registers is a trivial effect. Even if you had 512 64-bit registers, that's only 1024 words (or 4096 bytes) which is a drop in the bucket when you have 1GB of RAM.

The issue with moving to 64 bit is that apps that aren't optimized and use 64-bit variables to store quantities that never exceed 32-bits will be wasting a lot of space that's always filled with needless 0's. Also, pointer variables now take 64 instead of 32 bits, and hence take twice the space - certain types of apps make heavy use of pointer variable and could conceivably almost double in memory usage.

Well optinized code, however, should usually see something like a 5-10% increase in size compared to the same code on a 32-bit processor.
 
YES this times a million....

Android devices are virtually disposable. You may get one software upgrade if you are lucky and chances are it will screw up the device anyway. 5S with 1GB of ram is a better experience than any Android I've used with up to 3GB of ram.

Mainstream consumers don't even know what ram is. Their only concern is that their new iPhone will access Facebook, Twitter and iMessage. They wouldn't know what an app reloading even means.

Apple designs their devices for mainstream consumers, not us geeks on MacRumors. The iPhone 6 with 1GB of ram (if true) will sell better than any other iPhone to date.

The consumers who the iPhone was and is designed for don't care about ram, they care that the OS looks familiar and that they can FaceTime with their friends.

I am not saying power users don't have a right to be concerned about a 1GB limitation, but I am saying Apple doesn't care or design with you in mind. Their target audience is grandma and teenage girls.
Just because grandmas don't know what 1GB means doesn't mean they don't suffer from low memory. Actually, it sounds very mean to say that they can suffer if they don't know what's going on. Also, the same grandma care about 0.2mm thinner phone?:p
 
Just HOW can people keep forgiving apple's failures?? Since I got my Note 3, there has never been a website reloaded unintentionally on my phone. It's such a delight to surf the Web and do other things at once on that phone. And STILL people are claiming the iPhone to be the best surfing experience. Apple is so deep in to their fanboys it's scary.

I believe what's scarier is that you think your case is the same as everyone else's. I agree with you that I'd be annoyed as hell if my tabs kept reloading because I often open a ton of tabs. But that doesn't mean everyone does, or everyone cares, or if everyone even notices.

I think apple should improve their surfing experience, whether adding more RAM or not will help I don't know. But, that's just me. I wouldn't call someone a fanboy just because they don't agree with me.
 
Multitasking fail

Lets not overreact on this, we can clearly multitask in ios by buying equal number of 1gb i-devices to the tabs/apps we need open and using them side by side!

Very true unfortunately! If I want to set up a new password on a site and enter that info in 1Password I cannot do it on one device due to the re-loading issue. I have to do it with the iPhone and the iPad side by side. Switching between Safari and 1Password will inevitably force one of those apps to re-load, losing the fresh data in the process. :mad:

If that doesn't change with new devices this fall I see no point in upgrading. Whether the issue is RAM I don't know, but the lack of real multitasking due to re-loading issues is the clearest sign that the iPad so far is no replacement for a laptop/desktop computer.
 
iOS comes from OS X, so I'd say yes, iOS can and does use virtual memory

I think we'd probably be better off asking a developer, lol. While OS X might have VM (ofc it does), iPhones come with in some cases only 8 GB of storage, and many people use them to where there's almost nothing free. I think there's a good chance they have VM disabled or even taken out. 'Course I'm just guessing.
 
It's only been a few years since compurers have moved on from more memory. The Safari crashing bug is not a RAM issue, it's a software bug. The iPhone doesn't need so much memory, people need to relax about this. Just because other phones have more memory it doesn't mean an iPhone needs it.
 
You people need to learn how to close some apps and hard restart your phone from time to time. I have 6 tabs open on my safari right now and am easily swapping back and forth with no refreshes on an old iphone 5. Learn to use the app closing function then get back to us.

Have 9 tabs open now. No refreshing.

For the simplest "just works" kind of phone, people shouldn't have to "just learn" how to work around apple skimping out on much needed ram in 2014. Don't make excuses for apple.
 
You people need to learn how to close some apps and hard restart your phone from time to time. I have 6 tabs open on my safari right now and am easily swapping back and forth with no refreshes on an old iphone 5. Learn to use the app closing function then get back to us.

Have 9 tabs open now. No refreshing.

"App closing" is a myth. When the system needs the memory it "closes" those apps for you anyway. Unless a background app has actual work to do (e.g, background audio) it uses no processor resources and its memory footprint is essentially available for use by the foreground app or iOS itself as-needed.
 
For the simplest "just works" kind of phone, people shouldn't have to "just learn" how to work around apple skimping out on much needed ram in 2014. Don't make excuses for apple.

No device "just works" - that's a misnomer. Every device has a learning curve.
 
Even if they stuck with the custom built ARM v7 (which is a 32 bit instruction set) cores they could have increased the RAM all the way to 3GB.

The problem with Android is that it's a complete memory hog due to some botched design and heavy use of Java in apps, the UI and many other parts of the OS. iOS and apps on it being built in C and Objective C means they use a lot less RAM by default and I don't think adding more RAM will do anything except give app developers the message that they can get sloppy with memory use. It'll also make it less likely that Apple gets really sloppy with RAM usage in future iOS versions considering how many devices they'd have to discontinue support for if they started demanding 2GB or RAM.

Mind you, I don't even own any iOS devices apart from an old 2nd gen iPod Touch that's been collecting dust at the bottom of a cardboard box for the last 4 years, but I still think that on iOS more than 1GB of RAM is just spec fetishism.

Now let's talk in practical terms.

Android web and multitask experience is better than iOS experience because of the amount of RAM.

Running more apps and more web tabs at the same time on Android is more stable than on iOS. Just read this topic. Are you sure you're the only one here who knows how x64 instructions work?

People don't give a s*** to that, they just want to open more things without seeing them crash or close because of insufficient RAM.
 
This looks like a NAND Flash Chip, not DRAM, based on the nets names.
"AP_TO_NAND" application processor to NAND and "AP_BI_NAND" application processor to & from NAND
NAND flash chips use double data rate so that is why it says DDR.
I wouldn't panic over this leak because it says nothing about the application processor's DRAM.

Yep. Also those resistors and various pin names make me think this is external to the cpu package. But let the chickens run around with their heads cut off. It's fun to watch.
 
Why is this irrelevant?

Irrelevant because it's only a rumour or irrelevant because you still think 1GB is enough?

Irrelevant because as long as the dilithium crystal is sufficient to power the reality distortion field the amount of RAM does not matter.
 
what do you mean price increase? do we know how much they are going to cost already?

You don't think they will be a price increase?

There will be. Bigger screen, 4.7-inch, not the 5.5-inch as that doesn't exist, bigger battery, better camera's, improved Touch ID sensor and MAYBE sapphire glass.

More phone = more money. It's simple.

Oh, the price will go up alright.
 
Thanks Apple. You just confirmed by decision. Hello Samsung Note 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you make decisions based on unconfirmed rumors? Seems to me you weren't really set on an iPhone then anyway.
 
How many would you like? What I mean is, how many tabs open do you expect in technology of this generation?

Excuse me, but... ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! :eek:

The Jurassic PC circa 2002 (running Windows XP) I have down at my weekend beach hut can run 10+ tabs without a problem. Don't you reckon a 2014 iPad should too?
 
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