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Those crashes weren't caused by lack of RAM. More like a rushed move to 64-bit, and insufficient quality control.

2GB would be nice, though, of course. A little more future-proof.

But I guess Apple can't justify the couple of extra bucks it would cost per device. Add that up across all the A8 devices that will be built, and you're talking hundreds of millions of dollars!

And yet you totally missed my point :roll eyes:

I'm pointing out that with the 64bit architecture, its disappointing that apple limiting the ram so much.

I think apple is missing the point of how many decisions are made on word of mouth from superusers like ourselves. Regular people who don't pay attention to this stuff come to us for advice on what to buy. If they lose us they lose big in the long run. Pandering to idiots with Beats and ignoring superuser demands for RAM is a losing strategy.
 
This will be sad if true. The iPhone is a powerful computer and is supposed to be the high end price. The power to use the additional RAM is there. The profit margins are huge and so can easily support the tiny additional cost.

Does more RAM use more power? Maybe they are trying to keep developers focused so they write programs that run on older iOS devices.

Those are the only reasons I can think of.

I would really like more RAM in my next iPad, because I use it for web surfing. It can't handle more than two tabs at a time.

Yes, RAM uses more power, it is constantly using power as well - even while the phone is sleeping. I find it funny that people want a bigger battery but then want to squander that on another GB of RAM.

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I think apple is missing the point of how many decisions are made on word of mouth from superusers like ourselves. Regular people who don't pay attention to this stuff come to us for advice on what to buy. If they lose us they lose big in the long run. Pandering to idiots with Beats and ignoring superuser demands for RAM is a losing strategy.

Right, because there is absolutely no downside to more RAM...or so you think?
 
The difference in cost between a 1GB chip and a 2GB chip is about $1 - $2 in quantities of 2500, and in the quantities that Apple is purchasing it would be less.

I would agree with folks saying that 1GB is not sufficient anymore. Remember that Apple's user experience does not yet offer true multi-tasking. I imagine they will up the RAM about the time they offer multi-tasking and say that they can only offer this on those models and use it as a forced upgrade path, when they could be offering this extra RAM all along for an extra buck.
 
You don't think they will be a price increase?

There will be. Bigger screen, 4.7-inch, not the 5.5-inch as that doesn't exist, bigger battery, better camera's, improved Touch ID sensor and MAYBE sapphire glass.

More phone = more money. It's simple.

Oh, the price will go up alright.
Price didn't go up when Apple went to 4". Price didn't go up when they added Touch ID. The only people suggesting a price increase are Wall Street analysts assuming sapphire display. I don't think Apple would be stupid enough to take away one advantage Android had (size) and replace it with another (price). If a 32GB 4.7" iPhone is more expensive than the current 32GB 5s then Tim Cook needs to be fired for incompetence.
 
Except it's not irrelevant, and absolutely effects user experience. Anything to the contrary is just rose colored glasses.

Its never, ever, affected my iPhone 5S experience. If you didn't know the numbers you'd not be complaining either.

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Why is this irrelevant?

Irrelevant because it's only a rumour or irrelevant because you still think 1GB is enough?

Irrelevant because I don't think ram numbers make a difference, especially not in the phone - the iPad could do with a but more, the iPhone 5S runs just perfectly memory wise.
 
I don't really believe this. Apple has always doubled the ram on every major refresh of the iPhone. But only time will tell its coming up quick to September.
 
Irrelevant but cue people going crazy over it.

Irrelevant?

You clearly don't know how electronics that utilize memory work, do you?

Ram is just the most obvious culprit. Maybe it isn't the true cause. Maybe it is iOS memory utilization issues that can be corrected by software improvements. I noticed the biggest issues with apps reloading components (safari tabs) and spontaneously restarting themselves as well as the entire device restarting with iOS 7.x. In both my iPhone and ipad3. Then in my iPad Air as well.

We saw many of the same issues when windows vista came out. One of the worst memory consumers of any recent os I have ever seen.

So I ask myself, does the iOS have memory utilization issues, or did an inherent lack of memory coupled with the iOS improvements cause the iOS have problems and mor memory old solve it? Memory is cheap. I say memory is what they should start with.
 
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1GB is simply terrible.

1GB RAM and 16GB storage should not even be options on a premium device in 2014.

Those that say "1GB is enough", you clearly have no clue what a difference more RAM makes on user experience. Not having to constantly refresh Safari tabs or being able to run 5 apps at the same time without them refreshing can greatly increase your productivity.
 
Do you think the constant Safari crashes as soon as you have too many tabs open also qualifies as "smooth like always has been"?

Optimization is crucial, but sometimes a bit more of muscle is also welcome.

I've always got about 25 open on my Safari, i've never had it crash once!
 
1GB is simply terrible.

1GB RAM and 16GB storage should not even be options on a premium device in 2014.

Those that say "1GB is enough", you clearly have no clue what a difference more RAM makes on user experience. Not having to constantly refresh Safari tabs or being able to run 5 apps at the same time without them refreshing can greatly increase your productivity.

Or, they might have a clue and aren't concerned with running 5 apps at the same time without them refreshing because it really doesn't "greatly increase" their "productivity".
 
512 MB - 1 GB is enough for a 32 bit iPhone. The 64 bit devices clearly need more, and when you have the likes of Samsung and LG putting between 2 and 3 GB in their flagship phones even though they're still using 32 bit CPU's, this is quite embarrassing, especially when you consider how much Android has improved over the years. It's not unbearable anymore and is bordering on pleasant.

The fact is though, the vast majority of smartphone users don't actually have a clue and it won't impact Apple's sales within the general population. Especially considering its an iPhone with a big screen, what everyone has been demanding.
 
Irrelevant?

You clearly don't know how electronics that utilize memory work, do you?

I clearly know exactly how my iPhone 5S works memory wise and at no point have I thought "this could do with some more ram to sap the battery"

My iMac and my Macbook Pro are maxed out with 16gb, my Mac Mini with 8gb. The iPad could do with a slight boost in the new model, the iPhone user experience works perfectly on the 5S, so you'd just be shoving more memory there for the sake of saying "it's got a bigger number, it must be better!"

You certainly know how marketing works don't you.
 
So I can only assume you're considering changing entire ecosystems just because they aren't putting enough RAM in the next phone for you? I would need a list of at least 5 major reasons to leave one smartphone OS for an entirely different one. If you're so intent on competing in the spec race, why would you ever consider Apple in the first place?
as good specs are not everything for sure, you cannot ignore them why Apple put small batteries ? you can'4t enjoy your ecosystem as you want if you have to check all the time the battery indicator ;)
 
Are you kidding me? This better not be true. My Retina iPad Mini pisses me off. Anandtech proved that 64-bit chips use a lot more ram. My iPad with the A7 crashes way more than my iPhone 5 with the A6. I don't know how much longer Apple can get away with cheaping out like this. They do realize that many people consult their tech friends and family when upgrading right? I saved at least five people I know from buying an iPad 3. What tech person would recommend a phone with 1GB of ram in late 2014? This thing will have to last most people until at least late 2016. Considering how much apps crash on iOS 7 with 1GB of ram and a 64-bit chip, I can't wait to see how much it crashes on iOS 9 next year!
 
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