Don't want to live in the past. Just sayin' this is a PHONE we're talking about, and it's theoretically more powerful than a full featured laptop a decade ago...
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Alleged Schematic Shows iPhone 6 Coming with 1GB of RAM [Updated]
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Because RAM more than anything else is what supports app features. Where this really matters though is on the iPad. Mora RAM would be far far more useful in iPad or iPad like devices.
That's been Samsung's Galaxy phone's advertising premise for the past several years. Just look its global sales numbers; I'd say it's working.
Oh yeah! Thinner!!! This is what I need! Thinner FTW!!!
Oh wait... it's going to thinner? Oh, I don't need any RAM then!!! You know the saying:
"You can't be too rich, too thin, or have too much RAM."
Oh wait...
Why? because Apple made the device means its perfect no questions asked?
As a user i know when the device is trying hard to manage memory. Tabs reloading or disappearing altogether, apps slow relaunch and stuttering aren't marks of an OS that has enough memory to play with.
But hey ho, Apple made the device so they're automatically right.
Yep, since that's totally what I said.
Wait, no, it wasn't. What I said was that the ethos from which a random forum poster makes a comment like "their calculation is wrong" doesn't exist. I take statements like that with all the gravity they deserve; none at all.
Whereas companies like Apple are filled with people who specialize in making decisions like this, and while it's possible that this particular decision was made by an executive to keep margins high, it's more likely that a systems engineering team spent hundreds of hours of testing various configurations and decided that this was the best they could do.
As I said before, I want 2 gigs of RAM, and I think we'll be getting it. But telling a team of skilled engineers they're wrong concerning a field you have no education in makes you presumptuous, arrogant, and rude.
You disagree with this decision based on your personal use case? Cool. Stop paying the engineers that designed the device then. Buy something else. But don't run around insulting people who do this for a living. It makes you sound ridiculous.
There are pros and cons of everything. There is nothing wrong with debating intelligently about how much RAM is good at any given point, and whether this or some other enhancement is best for overall user experience. You people become suspect the moment you start insulting people for not agreeing with you.
Ever stop to ask yourself why a pro level laptop from years ago had less RAM than iPhones do now, but performed so well (as they guy was trying to point out)? It's because programmers had to be more efficient with their coding. Necessity. They use what they can. It is a virtual certainty that if you double the amount of RAM in any device, in short order it will no longer be enough. If i had to choose between seeing programmers code better to better take use of what is available, or just have them throw in endless amounts of RAM and the coders are completely careless.... i prefer the former. Yes, RAM should be increased over time. But not too fast... lest coding becomes so sloppy.
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His point stands none the less. Not that you would ever realize that.
side not: can anyone recommend a good site for Apple product news that is not 95% Apple bashing nonsense? Somewhere where people actually have intelligent conversation about products and technology? This site is too ridiculous now.
Current iOS devices do not have enough RAM, period.
To the extent that I regard it as user experience impacting.
iOS 8 is bigger. The resolution is bigger. The CPU will be more capable...but the RAM may be the same.
It doesn't make sense, especially where there is so little as is.
1GB of RAM certainly doesn't make me more likely to replace my Galaxy S5 with an iPhone 6.
To the extent that I regard it as user experience impacting.
iOS 8 is bigger. The resolution is bigger. The CPU will be more capable...but the RAM may be the same.
It doesn't make sense, especially where there is so little as is.
1GB of RAM certainly doesn't make me more likely to replace my Galaxy S5 with an iPhone 6.
Ah yes - my mistake
it's still RAM, not NAND. You're right about Gigabits being on the markings, yup.
If you'd take the time to be polite, I'd have taken your reply seriously. Being pompous doesn't make people like or respect you, its to your detriment, and repels people.
I'm 99.9% certain iOS does not have a swap file or virtual memory (unless you jailbreak and enable it) - there have been plenty of discussions about it and why there isn't one on this very forum
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1701817/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/913055/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1080549/
IOS does not page data segments. However code segments can be paged in. The net result is that data heavy apps get screwed on iOS device due to the lack of RAM. This is a huge issue on the iPad and has lead developer to produce very complex code to do something that should be simple.
Given that this article really is worthless as we are missing the whole schematic. Plus it wouldn't surprise me to see Apple go with the RAM in the processor package again. They might even split RAM between the processor package and an external device. This discussion could go on for a long time but without a more complete schematic it would be worthless.
And what's that productivity? Sending e-mails, text and calls, some calendar apps and stuff like that, I can't see how your productivity may be affected if one app closes and it takes 0.4 seconds to open again...
It just a way to attract people, I was an iPhone user, now I'm using android but I really like the way iOS is, not cosmetically, but it is a better software, and that's just my opinion...
The more/bigger/thinner race is endless...
Edit: Sorry my reply seems harsh but is not my intention... English is not my native language...
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First, there are no apps that use 1 GB of RAM. The vast majority of apps use less than 40mb of RAM, I would know because I'm a developer and have to look at RAM and resource usage intensively. Pretty much the only time you will ever actually notice the fact that it has less RAM is reloading tabs in Safari, but I will take added battery life any day. Microsoft made Windows 8 use less RAM than windows 7 because more RAM = more power usage. I think the majority of users would prefer longer battery than more RAM.
Second, the A7 is far superior to anything in an Android phone for single-threaded tasks which the vast, overwhelming majority of apps are. So when it comes to real-world performance, the iPhone has less RAM but a faster processor. It's a wash. It's not just a little better either, it absolutely DECIMATES any Android devices, including the Galaxy s5, the Note III, etc. when it comes to single-threaded performance, which is the only benchmark that matters on mobile devices.
Lastly, it's all a moot point anyways because the iPhone uses LPDDR3 RAM, this "source" is talking about DDR. It's not a reference to actual RAM.
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You are making a rush to judgement here. This schematic post for one is being mis interpreted from what I can see. Battery life depends upon the components in the phone as much as it does the battery. We will only really know how well the new iPhone has been improved when it is delivered.
For example the recent hot A8 rumors is quad cores but I've hear whispers of Apple going all out on power savings within the processor and support circuits. This may lead to a 50% savings in power when combined with a process shrink. Of course both of these rumors could be bogus. The point is they are rumors and as such you can't apply any weight to them.
So wait an see, an informed buying decision is a smart one.
Around here, they don't mean anything unless it shows off some Apple superiority. Otherwise, they're pointless.
1G RAM + higher resolution!?
!GB ram is definitely not enough for iPhone 6 with higher resolution. If the increase of 1.5 x screen resolution is true, the total pixels would be 2.25x of the iPhone 5S. The 1GB memory is not only for CPU code/data, but also for graphics usage(frame buffer). The more pixels on the screen, the more frame buffer size is required. With my Note 2, I have 2GB total memory, but 1.7GB is exposed to application. I believe most of remaining memory is used as frame buffer. The new iPhone has higher resolution than Note 2(total pixel is ~ 2x). So although iOS is better optimized than Android, but with similar 3D handling(OpenGL ES), I don't it can save much frame buffer memory. So probably, it only has 500MB of memory left for CPU(64 bit). That's really insanely little memory for so much more powerful CPU to work on. I feel sorry for Apple engineers and third party developers if only 1GB memory is used.
!GB ram is definitely not enough for iPhone 6 with higher resolution. If the increase of 1.5 x screen resolution is true, the total pixels would be 2.25x of the iPhone 5S. The 1GB memory is not only for CPU code/data, but also for graphics usage(frame buffer). The more pixels on the screen, the more frame buffer size is required. With my Note 2, I have 2GB total memory, but 1.7GB is exposed to application. I believe most of remaining memory is used as frame buffer. The new iPhone has higher resolution than Note 2(total pixel is ~ 2x). So although iOS is better optimized than Android, but with similar 3D handling(OpenGL ES), I don't it can save much frame buffer memory. So probably, it only has 500MB of memory left for CPU(64 bit). That's really insanely little memory for so much more powerful CPU to work on. I feel sorry for Apple engineers and third party developers if only 1GB memory is used.
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How is filling 64gb, or ~50gb free space for storage after OS and byte conversion, exaggerating? I think you may be joking for effect. When I got my first iOS device in 2011 I filled that 64gb on day 1 and back then my music library was half of what it is now. Now I need to enable 128kbps so I can fit all my music on (that is when iTunes lets me sync data to it).
Now our video, music, photo and app libraries are huge and we can't stuff on. Basically now my iPhone is 75% music, 25% apps. My iPad is 75% photos, 20% apps, 5% music (Filled with a most-played smart playlist). I used to keep all my Faces photos on my iPhone but those had to go. Now there's too much juggling and predicting what I'll want on it.
Doesn't every side do this on these forums? I've never heard anyone say "awesome the iPhone beat my android phone in benchmarks!!"
Then you weren't paying attention when the A7 came out. People were gleeful about how it was better than the opposition.
Arrogant? rude? Please get off your high horse and maybe look in the mirror.
You say you don't take the comment with any gravity then turn around get philosophical about the ethos of skilled engineering compared to the lay man.
Specialists are still humans who make judgement calls which aren't always correct regardless of how many decades of experience you have. Also, Apple engineers still answer to the Exec Team which is more where my comment was directed.
iOS 7 'runs' on 1GB but it also visibly struggles. Thats not just my opinion its the opinion of a significant amount of those who have used it. (even YOU since you want 2GB of RAM)
Herego 1GB or RAM could do with an improvement
I'm not saying the engineers are stupid or incompetent. (Duh!) (But they aren't perfect either.)
I'm saying the decision to stick with 1GB of RAM if true needs to be revisited because the experience is currently subpar.
Buy another device? what if i actually like the current device and just want it to be improved in the next iteration.
Am i entitled to that Chief.