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12 pages of frantic outcry over an alleged "rumour" and this guy debunks it all with some basic logic. Kudos toppernh.

Yea, and 95% of that frantic outcry is from people that do not like Apple to begin with, most of whom are paid to be on here trashing Apple any chance they get.
 
Erm... aren't the memory (RAM) chips in the iPhone just that... separate BGA memory chips? They aren't part of the CPU package..? Or am I misunderstanding you..?

Personally, I've been a not-engineer for 27 years, for whatever that's worth.

I'm not sure where this guy got the idea that anyone thought the 1 GB was referring to NAND/storage, though. I think he might be the only one >_>

The DRAM is in the same package as the CPU in the A-series chips. I'm not sure how they mount the two chips within the package - i.e. whether it's MCM or PoP. If it's PoP, then yes, the DRAM could be BGA which would negate that one of my points. But the other points still hold. Most importantly, the pin names refer to pins found on NAND flash, not on DRAM.

The 1GB refers to NAND storage in this schematic. It does not refer to DRAM. The premise of this rumor is wrong.
 
what does the year we are in have to do with anything? if the device works great for what i do with it I don't care if it had 512 MB of RAM.

Specs don't matter when you have the proper optimized software!

lmao, that's the problem....it doesnt work properly
 
You are right. Nobody but the saddest of fanboys cares about Apple anymore. Samsung already won the war.

Reloading webpages is an unforgivable sin. It's why Apple are losing huge amounts of money and will be bankrupt soon.

Your employers should check the quality of your work. Since they are paying to you spin, it should at least be somewhat believable. I mean, that's just nonsense.

edit: deeply sorry. it's early for me. my sarcasm meter was turned off.
 
From looking at the schematic, this chip looks to be a 1Gbit (128MB) cache DRAM for the NAND storage (16 or more GB) on the iPhone. I have never seen memory capacity on a chip written in Gigabytes. It's always Gigabits.

This is reasonable, but why wouldn't they just use a part of the system RAM for caching the NAND storage requests at operating system level?
 
How many would you like? What I mean is, how many tabs open do you expect in technology of this generation? My MacBook with 4 GB has issues opening more than 9 at a time, and while I can get more, it's not very smooth.

How many tabs should an iPad handle?

Really? As many as he wants. Will you also have an issue if he chooses Pepsi over Coke, too?

If tabbed browsing is supported by the OS, then Apple should strive to make the overall user experience as hassle-free as possible without compromise.
 
If this rumored 1 GB of RAM is true, Samsung will use it against Apple in all their 2015 ad campaigns. And it just might be effective.

Because Samsung users care more about a number on a spec sheet than the actual user experience
 
I know people are all criticizing others for the complaining but how could you NOT be disappointed if this is true?! Have you tried reading a web page with gifs? Super slow and it crashes sometimes. Have you tried opening multiple tabs? They all reload when you switch around and lose the place where you were. What about multiple apps open? Sometimes they just crash or they reload too. All this is because 1GB of rams is just insufficient on iOS now. I rather have the extra gigabyte of ram instead of other fancy tech because ram would make the experience on iOS MUCH better. By the way you don't need to "jailbreak" to benefit from extra ram. That is just plain dumb to say at all. Extra RAM should have been a big priority for iPhone 6. The insufficient ram is the main cause of all the crashes on iOS. Very disappointed if this is true.

Couldn't agree more. How can Apple progress the iOS user experience with limiting their devices to just 1 GB of RAM? The lack of RAM has to be holding back the potential for a much better user experience. Apple's just milking it these days. Hope this rumor is false. Something's gotta give.
 
what does the year we are in have to do with anything? if the device works great for what i do with it I don't care if it had 512 MB of RAM.

Specs don't matter when you have the proper optimized software!

I think the facts speak for themselves when the majority of knowledgable iPhone users tend to agree that 1 GB of RAM is sometimes causing problems with iOS7. Don't be such a luddite, I'm sure you use your iPhone for more than just calls??

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Ironically you sound more like the sheep because you're implying that just because a company says they have beefier specs, that their product must be better by default

Indeed, you're the type of person marketing depts love. No research, just omg specs!

Drinking the Apple kool-aid much?

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Instead of name-calling, how about engage your thought processes? The reason safari needs to "reload tabs" is because you are returning to safari. It was previously "in the background." And some other app needed the RAM, so the OS sent a signal to all still-resident apps to reduce memory. Safari complied by flushing tab content. If still more memory is required for the foreground app, then other still-resident apps are actually retired from memory entirely.

You thus proved my point. Which was that the FOREGROUND app always has access to as much RAM as it needs (within the address space) and killing apps does not give the FOREGROUND app anymore memory.

If you want to kill other BACKGROUND apps so that still *other* BACKGROUND apps can stay fully-resident, that's a different situation entirely. But that's not the reason most people wrongly kill background apps.


"And some other app needed the RAM, so the OS sent a signal to all still-resident apps to reduce memory."

Riiiiight... Which brings us back to why the iPhone 6 needs more than 1 GB of RAM.
 
You really need to meet the fanboys who constantly insist that there's no reason to ever close apps on iOS. That's probably the most annoying fanboy comment along with "iOS devices have enough ram".

For the record I do know how to close apps. I just shouldn't have to do it as often as I do. And there are times when I'm trying to multitask and I NEED to have other apps open at the same time as Safari. Both more ram and better optimization by Apple should help the situation.



...and there it is.

App closing is no myth. With other apps "open" safari reloads tabs. After I manually quit all other apps, it does not reload tabs. Sure, you're parroting Apple's party line, but it's demonstrably false in real world use.



But apparently not including Apple.

You people need to stop using the term Fanboy. Its derogatory. And every meaning you intend by it applies to you all as well, just to the opposite extreme. In fact its worse for you. Because you enjoy spending your time on a website devoted to discussing products you hate. How sad is that.

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Ironically you sound more like the sheep because you're implying that just because a company says they have beefier specs, that their product must be better by default

Indeed, you're the type of person marketing depts love. No research, just omg specs!

Thats what all the people that love to throw around the terms like fanboy and sheep do. They never stop to see what they are.
 
Meanwhile, the upcoming 5.7" Note 4 is rumored to ship with 4GB RAM (up from 3GB) :rolleyes:

That is just ridiculous you can not try to sell a smartphone just making it bigger and bigger.

I use a Nexus 5 now, it has 2GB of ram, the only problem is the OS, if it's optimized you should not need so much ram, let's be honest, I can use my laptop perfectly with just 4GB and for many demanding things, in a phone, is just a waste and marketing...
 
How many would you like? What I mean is, how many tabs open do you expect in technology of this generation? My MacBook with 4 GB has issues opening more than 9 at a time, and while I can get more, it's not very smooth.

How many tabs should an iPad handle?

10. Or better 20 (if possible).
 
Why? because Apple made the device means its perfect no questions asked?

As a user i know when the device is trying hard to manage memory. Tabs reloading or disappearing altogether, apps slow relaunch and stuttering aren't marks of an OS that has enough memory to play with.

But hey ho, Apple made the device so they're automatically right. :rolleyes:

You know, no amount of RAM is ever going to be enough. The more RAM a device a has, the more programmers write their programs to use. If a company is in a rush to just throw a ton of RAM in there, for mere omg spec reasons, noone has a need to write code efficiently. While adding more RAM over time is good and beneficial... i really doubt most of you people that are so quick to bash people ever stop to think what the pros and cons of anything are. Just pure 100% knee jerk reaction.
 
The DRAM is in the same package as the CPU in the A-series chips. I'm not sure how they mount the two chips within the package - i.e. whether it's MCM or PoP. If it's PoP, then yes, the DRAM could be BGA which would negate that one of my points. But the other points still hold. Most importantly, the pin names refer to pins found on NAND flash, not on DRAM.

Ah. And I agreed with everything else you said =P

The 1GB refers to NAND storage in this schematic. It does not refer to DRAM. The premise of this rumor is wrong.[/QUOTE]

Rofl oh, it does? Then you're right, the rumor is meaningless, and whomever posted this is a bit of an idiot. I didn't even look closely enough. On the other hand.. didn't it mention something about DDR? Never heard of DDR NAND... does NAND even have a clock cycle? If not, that would make "DDR" NAND a bit... impossible.

(Totally clueless about storage.)
 
That is just ridiculous you can not try to sell a smartphone just making it bigger and bigger.

I use a Nexus 5 now, it has 2GB of ram, the only problem is the OS, if it's optimized you should not need so much ram, let's be honest, I can use my laptop perfectly with just 4GB and for many demanding things, in a phone, is just a waste and marketing...

Why? My iPhone has a screen resolution close to my MacBook and a very powerful CPU. On iPad it's even more important. I'd already use it more for productivity if it had more ram to keep things loaded.
 
Twice as fast doing what? Falling from an airplane? Because I'm pretty sure they'd be about the same speed in that situation. If anything, the Note's greater surface area could reduce it's speed considerably, depending on if it were tumbling or not.

I'm saying that will be Apple's claim of the iPhone 6. "Twice as fast as the 5s" while not revealing the gut specs.
 
Puny half gig?

Umm... I still seem to remember when then top-of-the-line titanium PowerBook G4 came with half gig standard, with the option to upgrade to full gigabyte. Sure it was 12 years ago but it was a full blown laptop for God's sake! Same thing had 60GB hard drive by default and now 64GB flash storage is nothing..?

Surely a phone could survive, if you just didn't have to load p0rn on all Safari tabs :D :D :D

Um… By your analogy, we would all still be living in the stone age with no progression towards technological advancements. Simply stated, more RAM = better progression of the OS and overall user experience heading into the future. You want to keep living in the past, you're going to get run over.
 
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