all the # 5s put up, the phone still lag when i open FB/IG. i am not gona get into tabs reload since i gave up on it long time ago
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Alleged Schematic Shows iPhone 6 Coming with 1GB of RAM [Updated]
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all the # 5s put up, the phone still lag when i open FB/IG. i am not gona get into tabs reload since i gave up on it long time ago
What? Reread my post. I am acknowledging that people are gleeful. My point is every side does that don't they?
Have you ever heard an iPhone loyalist gleeful about android benchmarks?
Have you ever heard an android loyalist gleeful about ios benchmarks? The point is your point is moot, because depending on the situation anyone can say "so and so is a useless metric"
That is because there is never 1GB of RAM to be used.
It isn't these light apps that are the problem.
True at a given technology level, more RAM does mean more power. The obvious answer here is for Apple to implement new technology.
Here in is the rub, low RAM resources result in heavy use of the RF facilities in iOS devices. This leads to less battery life than simply adding more RAM. Think about how much power is required to turn on an antenna and transmit compared to adding more RAM.
That is baloney in a few ways. First many apps are multithreaded already and in fact the developer has several options as to how to leverage the processors. Beyond that iOS is multitasking with the system supporting the one user app.
This is extremely important. This long thread appears to be the result of a completely inept reading of a schematic. Sad really.
Given all of that I still won't spend hard earned cash on an iPad without more RAM. IPhone is a different story due to different usage patterns. I'd actually like to see 4GB of RAM in the next iPad, that may be wishful thinking but it would be nice and result in a keeper.
Yes, essentially. It's called a "strobe."
I didn't dispute that. And it's probably going to get more than 1 GB of RAM. But killing background apps does nothing for the foreground app, and I stand by that statement.
I misread, my apologies. I thought you said, and I quote, "I've never heard anyone say 'awesome, my iPhone beat the Android phone in benchmarks". Completely different context.
Also, usually iPhone fans are louder for some reason.
Also, also, it's always a useless metric. As long as it works well, it doesn't matter what the specs are.
It is an issue though. Not seeing it or not realizing what is going on doesn't mean it doesn't exist. However Safari on iOS 8 is vastly improved though it brings its own bugs along.
There are a couple of things to consider with RAM.
First; 1GB of RAM is a physical count but does not imply that an app will see all of that RAM. You need to subtract RAM being used for video, RAM being used by the system and RAM being used by any multitasking going on. The app really never has 1GB of RAM for data.
Second; Some apps are RAM starved. However this can become complex as apps like Safari may be behaving as expected when reloading apps/web pages or it may have ran out of RAM. It is hard for a user to tell. However it is also possible with developer tools to get a better indication of what is happening, it is possible to see low memory situations with many apps running.
Third; it appears as if this whole thread has blown up over a bogus reading of a print. This does not appear to be an indication of future Apple hardware RAM capacity.
i srsly doubt those that say "no tab refresh", i would love to pay extra for those ipad
Complaint about alleged insult, insult. Welcome to irony.
Nope, way to miss the point of this whole lengthy discussion. Safari constantly reloads tabs even when you are switching between them in safari, not switching apps. And even when you switch apps, it should be able to keep some tabs in memory and not have to reload.
Ever try filling out an online form on an iPhone or iPad and you have to look something up in another tab or app? Good luck with that.
Exactly, hence the hundreds of posts complaining that these devices would benefit from more ram.
Nope, exactly the opposite. Safari is the foreground app and it is running out of memory (as evidenced by switching tabs and having them reload). When background apps are killed and then you go back to Safari, giving the foreground app more memory is exactly what happens. And sure enough, the tabs stop reloading.
Of course it's derogatory, I was giving an example of false "nothing is wrong!" claims that are easily disproven, and I was using it in reference to a common argument, not in response to a specific poster. And I'm a huge apple fan, I just don't have on blinders to the point where I'm going to ignore actual flaws in their products. Assuming I hate the company or the products is a total fanboy move by the way.
iOS manages RAM pretty efficiently, far more efficiently than Android. This is how iOS can get away with using half the RAM and still being much snappier. You will not run in to many situations where you just run out of RAM. iOS will close tabs and background apps first. Most of the apps that get closed are those that have been programmed badly and don't release strong references to unnecessary objects. Let's face it, there just aren't very many users who shriek at the fact that Safari will reload a tab after you've opened a few others. And be honest here, you need to open several tabs before that happens.
Heck, android devices are still using 32bit processors while Apple moved to 64bit almost a year ago now.
...like what? It's easy to say that they should "innovate" their way around a problem, but it is a well known fact that lithium ion technology advances at a vastly slower pace than CPU tech for example. The batteries used in smartphones today are almost identical to the LiON batteries used ten years ago. There are a few advances in the pipeline but they are all years away. Even a company as big as Apple cannot break the laws of physics.
What on earth are you talking about...? This is not true at all.
I don't know what you're talking about. This is not true. When iOS runs out of RAM it stops unnecessary background apps, starting with the most inefficient apps first. If an app needs RAM, it gets RAM, iOS is smart enough to make sure that this happens.
It is quite obvious to me that you have never developed an application on a mobile device. I didn't say ALL apps, I said the vast majority of apps are single-threaded. Running in to a multi-threaded app even a multithreaded video game, is extremely rare. Even on android it's a vanishingly low number of apps that use multi threading.
4GB of RAM? Now I really do have to stop and ask what you're smoking. 2GB would be best but even 1GB would work just fine on the ipad.
Android device makers out there like LG and Samsung have an extremely hard time differentiating their products. So they've gone to this ridiculous spec war. They throw in massive completely unnecessary amounts of RAM *JUST* for marketing purposes! because there are a lot of suckers out there who HONESTLY think their phone needs 3GB of RAM. It's a joke. It's the same exact reason that Samsung was caught cheating on those benchmarks, where they would artificially increase scores on popular benchmarking apps.
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So someone has to be a skilled engineer to see when browser tabs are constantly reloading and figure out that someone at the company screwed up? That's like if you get food poisoning from a restaurant but someone insists you can't blame them since you're not a trained chef.
I see. I had misread your post.
But I'm still going to let the comment stand, because surely they'll give us some sort of context to what it is doing faster (loading apps, streaming video, rendering graphics, or the like).
Staying with 1GB is all about squeezing maximum profit out of very iPhone Apple sells. Since it'll be impossible for anyone to upgrade to 2GB and compare them no one will ever know the difference. Plus Apple is the master at creative dialog designed to justify anything, they'll have everyone believing their decision is nothing short of a miracle.
So, browser tabs reloading isn't a matter of life/death. Just thought I'd get that out there. Improperly cooked food is.
Also, that isn't a great comparison, seeing as how chefs don't test every individual dish they send out, otherwise you'd have bites out of your steak when it came from the kitchen.
What I'm saying is that to insinuate that these engineers can't do their jobs is rude and ignorant. To disagree with their analysis of the situation is obviously fine. But to then act like you are more qualified than these engineers to design these phones is simply silly. I don't care if your browser tabs reload. If you designed the phone, it wouldn't function at all.
Based on the assumption, of course, that you aren't an electrical/hardware engineer/designer that designs consumer electronics as a profession. It's the internet, so I obviously don't know that.
First, while I'd like 2 gigs of RAM, I don't think the current experience is subpar at all. I think it's the best out there. So we disagree on that point.
Second, it was the tone of your original post that I took issue with, insinuating that you knew better how to design a smartphone that the engineers who do it for a living.
Third, If you had actually posted this exact sentence as your first post, I probably would have just nodded my head and moved on.
Just because you feel the engineers made a bad call doesn't mean you need to insult them. Use words that actually convey the message you want them to.
Yeah, except for those of us who can't keep two tabs in safari without reloads - and yes, ONLY safari running. And that whole multi-tasking thing is never going to catch on.
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3 years with the same RAM but the performance >600% faster thanks to new CPUs. What is the complaint? (5S 100% faster than 5, 5 300% faster than 4S).
There's an Android for that...external memory...nah...too risky for frag and mal, right?