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AllofMp3.com Sued for $1.65 Trillion!

gnasher729 said:
No western artist sees one single penny from allofmp3. Does that answer the question?
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Why does everyone hate the RIAA if they are defending artists rights to income?

Anyway, I'm just one of the ignorant masses who knows nothing about the industry but knows they can go to allofmp3.com and buy their favourite song for 15 cents. Who the money goes to doesn't enter my buying decision. As it doesn't in any other purchase. Unless starving children in India are being exploited or a civil war in the bush is being supported.
 
MrSmith said:
How does this logic stand up: I'm not American, don't live in America, don't want to. Same for Russia. That site is legal in Russia. That's good enough for me. Or am I missing something?
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You've missed something.

I don't care about the big labels losing money on this but I have several friends who run very small electronic music labels who are getting ripped off by this. This whole situation is a lot different to p2p.
 
Wouldn't it be cheaper for Russia to crack open another tin of Polonium and waft it in the RIAA's general direction? :confused:
 
Correct me if I'm wrong: They aren't doing anything illegal.
I'm not saying that what they're doing is right, but it is legal, and is that not what suing is about...
 
emotion said:
You've missed something.

I don't care about the big labels losing money on this but I have several friends who run very small electronic music labels who are getting ripped off by this. This whole situation is a lot different to p2p.
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How do your friend's have a clue how many sales (if any at all) they are losing to allofmp3?
 
That's not the point. There are lots of large electronica fanbases out there (I'm a huge electronica buff) and they are not the kind of people who illegally share music, because they're all part of the industry so therefore understand the damage that would cause.

Allofmp3.com is selling their music without their permission and not giving them a fair share of the profit. Do you think that's right?
 
MrSmith said:
Anyway, I'm just one of the ignorant masses who knows nothing about the industry but knows they can go to allofmp3.com and buy their favourite song for 15 cents. Who the money goes to doesn't enter my buying decision. As it doesn't in any other purchase. Unless starving children in India are being exploited or a civil war in the bush is being supported.
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So if I offered to sell you a brand new MacBook Pro for $500, you'd buy it with a clean conscience? Even if you found out that the Apple Store down the street was robbed last night?
 
notjustjay said:
So if I offered to sell you a brand new MacBook Pro for $500, you'd buy it with a clean conscience? Even if you found out that the Apple Store down the street was robbed last night?
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NO, I'd return it to the shop because it's a physical object.
 
What is intellectual property rights? It's theft essentially, do you honestly think the inventor of anything grabbed it out of a vacuum and is entitled to money for ever, I don't think so_One of the first things after the French revolution was the repeal of laws regarding patent, with good reason.
 
Peterkro said:
What is intellectual property rights? It's theft essentially, do you honestly think the inventor of anything grabbed it out of a vacuum and is entitled to money for ever, I don't think so_One of the first things after the French revolution was the repeal of laws regarding patent, with good reason.
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That's insane. You know that, right?
 
The rules are encroaching on your brain,think about it,“If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”
—Isaac Newton, you think that means nothing that patenting the human genome is a good idea and will be helpful for human knowledge.Sorry I'm of the other view knowledge is uncensored for all.
 
Peterkro said:
The rules are encroaching on your brain,think about it,“If I have seen further than others, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”
—Isaac Newton, you think that means nothing that patenting the human genome is a good idea and will be helpful for human knowledge.Sorry I'm of the other view knowledge is uncensored for all.
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Er, I guess I believe in a moderate approach. You seem to be taking an "all or nothing" approach. I don't believe in gene patents... but I also don't believe that the product of another person's intellect is automatically mine for the asking just because I feel like it.

Just because people before have thunk up stuff for me, doesn't mean I can't come up with something innovative... and if that means, as we try to get back on topic, that I come up with a sequence of musical notes and selection of instruments that generate a pleasing sound that people like, I should be able to charge for it. AllofMp3.com is clearly infringing on this process and trying to use the fact that they're not in the US (or the UK) as a defense for their actions.
 
True they're not in the US or the UK they're in Russia and no matter how hard the **IA puff they can't do anything about it.Even a cursory glance at musical patent law will show that those with the highest paid lawyers are trying to get money for copyrights which are simply rip-offs of early works which are out of copyright.Don't feel sorry for EMI et al, they don't give a sh*t about artists they're concerned about their bottom line they produce nothing and make a very good living at it.
 
clayj said:
So the truth comes out... you don't respect intellectual property rights, hmm?
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I have a faint idea what intellectual property rights are. I have pretty good knowledge of the definition of theft, too. What with the Internet and all we're in a different park now. I paid for all my records, CDs or tapes, but I also used blank audio casettes that were sold legally to record my friends' music, and vice versa. I didn't lose any sleep over it. I also recorded movies off the TV causing lost revenue to someone by not renting the videos. I purchased stuff off allofmp3 and paid for it. Who the money goes to frankly I don't give a damn and I'm pretty sure I don't have a legal responsibility to audit the payment. Murky water these digital rights. Am I commiting a crime by humming a pop song? Do you pay royalties everytime you sing the Happy Birthday Song in a group of over n people? Sorry, but I can't get my knickers in a twist over it.
 
MrSmith said:
I have a faint idea what intellectual property rights are. I have pretty good knowledge of the definition of theft, too. What with the Internet and all we're in a different park now. I paid for all my records, CDs or tapes, but I also used blank audio casettes that were sold legally to record my friends' music, and vice versa. I didn't lose any sleep over it. I also recorded movies off the TV causing lost revenue to someone by not renting the videos. I purchased stuff off allofmp3 and paid for it. Who the money goes to frankly I don't give a damn and I'm pretty sure I don't have a legal responsibility to audit the payment. Murky water these digital rights. Am I commiting a crime by humming a pop song? Do you pay royalties everytime you sing the Happy Birthday Song in a group of over n people? Sorry, but I can't get my knickers in a twist over it.
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Wow.

OK, recording TV shows onto a videotape is OK. Why? Because someone went to court over it and a judge decided that was "time-shifting", which means as long as you don't sell the tape or give it to someone who's not "entitled" to watch it (e.g., recording The Sopranos off HBO and then giving it to your friends who don't have HBO to watch in their house), you're covered. Humming a pop song is OK unless you charge someone to listen to it. And the Happy Birthday thing is covered when it's sung on TV or in movies.

But copying your CDs onto tape and giving that to your friends... well, that's illegal. Better hope you don't get caught.

And no one's suggesting (AFAIK) suing those who've bought music from AllofMp3.com. As you say, it's not as terrible a crime as (say) buying stolen computers or stereo equipment... but theft is theft, and those who feel they've been wronged have a legal right to pursue monetary damages from those whom they feel have stolen from them... in this case, AllofMp3.com.
 
this site (AllofMp3.com) is not much different to say p2p - only they earn a buck from doing the "service" - both ventures are hunted by RIAA and every other music right movements in the world, I'm sad that sites such as that is allowed to exist.
 
How come the artists aren't clamouring to take these kinds of services to court? They're the ones who created the art and deserve to benefit from selling it. Surely the ones trying to sue are little more than pimps.
 
MrSmith said:
How come the artists aren't clamouring to take these kinds of services to court? They're the ones who created the art and deserve to benefit from selling it. Surely the ones trying to sue are little more than pimps.
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The artists rely on the record companies to handle most of this legal stuff for them. It's part of why the record companies get a cut of the proceeds from all of the sales.

And have you forgotten Metallica, Britney Spears, et al? Artists complain about this sort of thing all the time.
 
clayj said:
The artists rely on the record companies to handle most of this legal stuff for them. It's part of why the record companies get a cut of the proceeds from all of the sales.
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Duh. Pretty obvious really :eek:

clayj said:
And have you forgotten Metallica, Britney Spears, et al? Artists complain about this sort of thing all the time.
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Sorry, I can't say I'm up on that news. I do recall, however, a group saying publicly they encouraged people to pirate their music. I can't remember who or why. A heavy metal band, I believe. Someone else will know, I'm sure.
 
clayj said:
And no one's suggesting (AFAIK) suing those who've bought music from AllofMp3.com. As you say, it's not as terrible a crime as (say) buying stolen computers or stereo equipment...
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I'm still not convinced it is (or was) a crime at all. Morality aside, I think those who purchased from Allofmp3 did so legally.
 
MrSmith said:
Sorry, I can't say I'm up on that news. I do recall, however, a group saying publicly they encouraged people to pirate their music. I can't remember who or why. A heavy metal band, I believe. Someone else will know, I'm sure.
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Probably Rage Against the Machine or Chumbawamba... but they both have histories of being counter-establishment.

If the artist says it's OK to share their music, it's OK. But if they say no or if they say nothing, then the law prevails.
 
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