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AllofMp3.com Sued for $1.65 Trillion!

decksnap said:
I'm still not convinced it is (or was) a crime at all. Morality aside, I think those who purchased from Allofmp3 did so legally.
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Legal according to Russian law. However, Russian law flaunts international copyright protection so it's therefore illegal.

Once again, allofmp3 has NOT been given the right to distribute music by the copyright holders. None of that money goes to the artists at all.

allofmp3 should be shut down immediately. The fact that VISA and Mastercard and American Express no longer allow their cardholders to purchase from allofmp3 says a lot.
 
Peterkro said:
True they're not in the US or the UK they're in Russia and no matter how hard the **IA puff they can't do anything about it.Even a cursory glance at musical patent law will show that those with the highest paid lawyers are trying to get money for copyrights which are simply rip-offs of early works which are out of copyright.
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Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Music isn't covered by patent law. And yes, the RIAA can do something about it, because (I'm going to re-state this because I know you didn't read my last post) the Russian Federation is a signatory to three international copyright treaties, and as such, the laws apply. Unless, of course, they require a second governmental body to ratify the treaty like the U.S. does.

psychofreak said:
orrect me if I'm wrong: They aren't doing anything illegal.
I'm not saying that what they're doing is right, but it is legal, and is that not what suing is about...
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No, it most likely isn't legal. Selling digital copies of music without a license to do so (iTunes, Napster, Rhapsody, Microsoft, Wal-Mart, etc. all do) and not paying the appropriate fees to the copyright holder (artist, label, record company, whoever) is very much illegal.
 
Hell, you think they're facing problems. I'm faced with the possibility of having to pay more than 11 cents for my favourite tunes! :)
 
MrSmith said:
OK, I'll try that. Thanks for your help. I hope this advice doesn't get you in any trouble.

:D
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I was just trying to point out that both P2P and AllofMp3 rip of the artists and record companies. So really there would be no point in wasting your money as the morally right thing to do is not being done in the first place. The whole I paid for it therefore I legally am entitled to it just does not cut it for me.

So really I would prefer you to purchase from a 'legit' place, but if use AllofMp3 you may as well use P2P instead of supporting a 'corrupt' (can't think of word) company.
 
That :D at the end of my post indicated that I fully understood what you were saying but that I was twisting your words and meaning to make a joke.
 
Ugg said:
Legal according to Russian law. However, Russian law flaunts international copyright protection so it's therefore illegal.
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I don't feel like debating this - but no, it's not that simple.
 
DeSnousa said:
The RIAA is suing the website AllofMP3.com on behalf of EMI, Sony BMG, Universal Music, and Warner Music in the amount of $150,000 for each of the 11 million songs that were downloaded from June to October of 2006. That comes to a lawsuit totaling $1.65 trillion!
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It's just sad that they don't try this kind of nonsense in a German court. Here is how it would go:

RIAA: We want one point six five trillion dollars!
Judge: Are you sure about that?
RIAA: Absolutely. We want one point six five trillion dollars!
Judge: Ok then. My table for cost of court cases only goes up to one billion, but above that it is 0.5 percent of the value of the court case. That means I need a deposit for 8.25 billion dollars before we can start the case. Your lawyers can charge you 8.25 billion dollars for handling the case, not a penny more. AllofMP3s lawyers can charge 8.25 billion dollars as well. Loser pays all the cost. By the way, should I decide that AllofMP3 has to pay you lets say 1.65 billion dollars (billion, not trillion), you will be considered to have mostly lost the case, because that amount is 0.1 percent of what you asked for, so Allofmp3 pays 0.1 percent of the court cost and you pay 99.9 percent... So shall we go ahead with this case?
 
Just to sum it up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allofmp3 should help. Essentially, it not just the RIAA. Its the BPI, the Russian government, everyone. Russia expect them to pay royalties to the record companies, the website wants to sort out a deal...guess they're gonna have to sort ou a deal...
 
Max Payne said:
I hope RIAA lose and burn in hell.
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I will second that.

While I feel people need to get paid for their work I think the RIAA has done screwed themselves and won't admit to it.

When they should have been keeping up with the times they instead haven't changed or introduced new (DVD Audio doesn't count- it's the same thing basically) formats or distribution methods in more than 20 years.

Now, instead of doing the work to bring the music biz up to date, they would rather sue everyone to get money. Why work when you can be a lazy pretentious bastard that orders lawyers around all day?

If you keep doin' what you always did, you'll keep gettin' what you always got.
 
clayj said:
Wow.

OK, recording TV shows onto a videotape is OK. Why? Because someone went to court over it and a judge decided that was "time-shifting", which means as long as you don't sell the tape or give it to someone who's not "entitled" to watch it (e.g., recording The Sopranos off HBO and then giving it to your friends who don't have HBO to watch in their house), you're covered. Humming a pop song is OK unless you charge someone to listen to it. And the Happy Birthday thing is covered when it's sung on TV or in movies.

But copying your CDs onto tape and giving that to your friends... well, that's illegal. Better hope you don't get caught.

And no one's suggesting (AFAIK) suing those who've bought music from AllofMp3.com. As you say, it's not as terrible a crime as (say) buying stolen computers or stereo equipment... but theft is theft, and those who feel they've been wronged have a legal right to pursue monetary damages from those whom they feel have stolen from them... in this case, AllofMp3.com.
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Clayj is my new hero on MR.

MUSIC IS WORTH PAYING FOR.

Those who don't pay the artist asking rate should have to work in the fields for free every. freakin. day. In the sun. Without the radio.

Then maybe they will remember what the world was like before the RIAA.
 
Wow. That is a big number. I hope they win. Maybe this will be the most money won in a lawsuit?
 
I'm a bit late to chime in on this, but I was thinking it even before I read that someone else already said it:

If you're going to pirate your music, do it from a free source such as BitTorrent, newsgroups, etc. Don't buy it from a site like allofmp3.com. You may as well save your money.
 
Diatribe said:
Why does everyone think that there even will be a lawsuit? This will never start, since when is allofmp3 an American company?
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AFAIK it's not being tried in the American Courts, because they don't have jurisdiction over Allofmp3. It's being tried in the International Courts, because the RIAA is citing violation of international copyright law.
 
killr_b said:
Clayj is my new hero on MR.

MUSIC IS WORTH PAYING FOR.

Those who don't pay the artist asking rate should have to work in the fields for free every. freakin. day. In the sun. Without the radio.

Then maybe they will remember what the world was like before the RIAA.
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And you aren't serving your own interests, of course.
 
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