AllofMp3.com Sued for $1.65 Trillion!

[takemore]

That's what I like - first post and starting off on a positive note

Oops, sorry, slipped out of my tounge.. system error..

Ok, seriously -

Yes, kinda not nice of me to start like this. Actually, I've been reading mac related forums for quite some time already. But nobody provoked me before. So I went through pain of registration to answer to that post.

On the positive side I can say (and esp. to the moderator) that the post I replyed to acused my country of a crime it didn't commit. And as a response I just called the guy what he is. Yes, I am russian and I do support my country.

@the author of that post: In Russia the presidential election coming. Putin is most powerful political force in Russia. The guy who used polonium has british passport. So called "political immigrant" from Russia. He sweared to come back to Russia and put his guy as a russian president in power. His name is Berezovskiy. If Britain wouldn't be giving away their passports to this kinda of "political immigrants" he would be sitting in Russian prison for all the crimes he commited and many people till today wouldn't know what polonium is. So next time _think_ before you post.

Sorry for off-topic. And ready to go to read-only mode

 

[MrSmith]

Oh

Well, I'm sure no offence was intended. BTW you'd best keep away from the political forum

I thought Litvinenko was Berezovsky's friend. Helped set him up in London. But what do I know about the machinations of political intrigue?

Welcome to MR.

 

[Diatribe]

AFAIK it's not being tried in the American Courts, because they don't have jurisdiction over Allofmp3. It's being tried in the International Courts, because the RIAA is citing violation of international copyright law.

I guess we will see how far it really goes. Either way they are neither gonna get the money tey are asking for nor is the owner gonna be broke.
This is just wasting time.

 

[takemore]

Oh

Well, I'm sure no offence was intended. BTW you'd best keep away from the political forum

I saw that the offence was not intensional. That's why I used the word "idiot".

I thought Litvinenko was Berezovsky's friend. Helped set him up in London. But what do I know about the machinations of political intrigue?

Welcome to MR.

Thanks for welcoming me to MR. Though I am going to get read-only for some time But I will be reading the forum anyway

Berezovsky doesn't have friends. He has useful and useless people. Litvinenko was useful for some time. When he accused FSB of blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow by Berezovsky's orders etc But after so many years staying away from Russia Litvinenko grew completely useless. What new could he tell? Actually, tragedy of Litvinenko was that at certain time, in view of coming presidential election, his death with accusation on Putin was more useful to Berezovsky then his life..
And regarding Berezovsky - I'm sure we are going to see lots of actions/movements/wrong accusations from him in the coming year. He wants to come back to political scene in Russia. Let's see..

@Moderator - I promise not to have any political posts in this thread. Sorry.

 

[skunk]

@Moderator - I promise not to have any political posts in this thread. Sorry.

Welcome, takemore. I would certainly be interested in hearing a Russian perspective on Putin, Bereshovsky & Co in the Political Forum, but I guess you'll have to up your post count first.

 

[yg17]

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I use allofmp3 and p2p, and the way I see it, the artists aren't losing money from me because I wouldn't buy it anyways. I don't have the money to buy a huge music collection, if p2p didn't exist, I just wouldn't listen to music. Yes, it might be unethical, but I don't care

 

[Diatribe]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8100/4.2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

I use allofmp3 and p2p, and the way I see it, the artists aren't losing money from me because I wouldn't buy it anyways. I don't have the money to buy a huge music collection, if p2p didn't exist, I just wouldn't listen to music. Yes, it might be unethical, but I don't care

You're supposed to work with your Blackberry, not post here

 

[iBlue]

(the RIAA) greedy much?

 

[princealfie]

(the RIAA) greedy much?

Yeah, the RIAA rears its head in the State of Union speech.

 

[MrSmith]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8100/4.2.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)

I use allofmp3 and p2p, and the way I see it, the artists aren't losing money from me because I wouldn't buy it anyways. I don't have the money to buy a huge music collection, if p2p didn't exist, I just wouldn't listen to music. Yes, it might be unethical, but I don't care

Wonder if that Clayj fella's ready for round 2?

 

[MacBoobsPro]

If you sell something that is not yours to sell then it is illegal no matter what counrty you are in.

allofmp3.com should be shutdown (and sued). Simple as!

 

[phillipjfry]

I know I'm late to the party but I wanted to put my two cents in and see if I'm completely clueless or if I'm actually on to something. If I buy some form of media (tapes, dvd, vhs, betamax, whatever), then I am (suposedly?) paying for the intellectual property + media + espenses (shipping, packaging). If I lose/damage/destroy that media, this means I have to go back out and buy the same copy from best buy (what have you!). Why should I have to pay twice for intellectual property if I just want the media again? My dad used the example "well if your car broke down, and you had the parts replaced, just because you had a working transmission before, you shouldn't get a new one for free" but I don't understand that analogy since intel. property doesn't apply to this example. So while people put so much emphasis on "intellectual property", why don't they give discounts to people having to buy the same media twice when such a fragile thing breaks/scratched often?
Also, I think it is kind of humorous for the music industries (whatever country) to claim that P2P is causing them to lose money in sales. I haven't heard of "massive layoffs" at the RIAA factory. Or the CEO of said music companies having to take a paycut. Maybe they wouldn't lose so much money every year if they would stop taking people to court and spending resources on tryin to get money out of potential customers and spend it all on developing the next best thing (eg. internet stores ran by them, not licensed by them). Am I way out of line?

 

[yg17]

You're supposed to work with your Blackberry, not post here

Meh, I was early for a dentist appointment and got bored while waiting

 

[Blue Velvet]

I haven't heard of "massive layoffs" at the RIAA factory. Or the CEO of said music companies having to take a paycut.

RIAA factory? Sigh...

No, but apparently there is a squeeze on others in the production chain including engineers, A&R people etc. There's more to the music industry than just a few headline figures... most of that money you pay for a CD goes on recouping promotional costs.

I'll give you one real life example. One of our printing companies that we regularly use predominantly do work for the majors, printing all sorts of things from CD inserts, posters, point of sale pieces etc. Over the last two years their income from those sources has dropped by over 25% and they're scrambling around trying to diversify their customer base, while laying off one of their production people.

 

[MrSmith]

Meh, I was early for a dentist appointment and got bored while waiting

Time for my favourite joke:

Kevin Bacon goes to his dentist.
Dentist: "Hello Mr Bacon. Lean back."

 

[Counterfit]

I don't have the money to buy a huge music collection, if p2p didn't exist, I just wouldn't listen to music.

Then maybe you should just suck it up and not listen to it then.

 

[EricNau]

I use allofmp3 and p2p, and the way I see it, the artists aren't losing money from me because I wouldn't buy it anyways. I don't have the money to buy a huge music collection, if p2p didn't exist, I just wouldn't listen to music. Yes, it might be unethical, but I don't care

I don't buy that for a second. You have the money, you just choose to spend it differently. It's all about priorities. I see from your sig that you have an iPod valued at about $350 (plus thousands in other Apple products). If illegal music wasn't an option, perhaps you might have spent that $350 on music rather than the iPod (after all, you wouldn't need the iPod if you didn't have any music).

Should I just steal a DVD from Target saying "it's OK, they aren't loosing any money because I would never have bought it for a price, but if it's free, then I want it"? It's not just about ethics, it's about the law, which by the way, you are breaking.

 

[yg17]

Then maybe you should just suck it up and not listen to it then.

Why? Because it's illegal? Everyone does something that's illegal. Whether it's drink or smoke underage, speed on the highway, have your friend with HBO tape something for you, plagarize from something in a high school English paper, whatever, we've all done it. My one little thing that happens to be illegal is I occasionally get something off Bittorrent, and if that's the most illegal thing I do, then so be it. I could be doing much worse. And don't start with the ethics crap. Pirating is just like anything else, the ethical-ness (lol, is that a word? ) of it is one's opinion. Just like, say gay marriage. Some think it's ethical, some think it's not. Who's to say that one side is right and one side is wrong. I just don't think that depriving an artist of the $5, at best, they would make off me had I bought the CD is wrong, especially when they're already millionaires. Besides, I still support the bands. I buy things like t-shirts or go to their shows, and they probably make more money off of that than they ever would had I bought the CD. And sometimes, I still do buy CDs to support bands I really love, but only after downloading it off P2P and seeing if I like it or not.

 

[EricNau]

I know I'm late to the party but I wanted to put my two cents in and see if I'm completely clueless or if I'm actually on to something. If I buy some form of media (tapes, dvd, vhs, betamax, whatever), then I am (suposedly?) paying for the intellectual property + media + espenses (shipping, packaging). If I lose/damage/destroy that media, this means I have to go back out and buy the same copy from best buy (what have you!). Why should I have to pay twice for intellectual property if I just want the media again? My dad used the example "well if your car broke down, and you had the parts replaced, just because you had a working transmission before, you shouldn't get a new one for free" but I don't understand that analogy since intel. property doesn't apply to this example. So while people put so much emphasis on "intellectual property", why don't they give discounts to people having to buy the same media twice when such a fragile thing breaks/scratched often?

CDs are not fragile. In fact, I have never heard of one accidentally breaking. If it becomes broken or scratched beyond use then you need to be much, much more careful.

...or, just buy from iTunes and you won't have that problem.

 

[yg17]

Should I just steal a DVD from Target saying "it's OK, they aren't loosing any money because I would never have bought it for a price, but if it's free, then I want it"? It's not just about ethics, it's about the law, which by the way, you are breaking.

Yes, that's bad because you're depriving Target from a phyiscal copy of something they would be able to sell to a paying customer. P2P makes copies of things. If by downloading an album, there was actually one less copy of that physical CD in the world that could no longer be sold and turn into profit, then yes, P2P would be wrong.

And as far as me spending thousands of dollars on Apple stuff? I saved my money up for ages and was able to buy that, being a college student studying in the information technology field, I need a computer and laptop more than I need a huge CD collection. When I get paid, I purchase anything I need, whether it be food, rent/utilities, or a computer. If I have any extra money left over, I either save it, or spend it on things I want. Sometimes those things I want are CDs, sometimes they're iPods, sometimes they're videogames, whatever.

I don't care if you think it's wrong, illegal, unethical, or if you think I'm a theif. I really don't. If I want to live with the guilty conciense of depriving some rich artists of a few dollars, then that's my right.

 

[yg17]

...or, just buy from iTunes and you won't have that problem.

Until the hard drive crashes, and that's probably more likely than a CD breaking.

 

[EricNau]

Until the hard drive crashes, and that's probably more likely than a CD breaking.

Which is exactly why everyone should always backup their Hard Drive.

 

[gnasher729]

I don't care if you think it's wrong, illegal, unethical, or if you think I'm a theif. I really don't. If I want to live with the guilty conciense of depriving some rich artists of a few dollars, then that's my right.

That's because the poster you are replying to doesn't know who you are.

There are quite a few people who would lose their jobs if they are found to do illegal things (although whether buying from allofmp3.com is legal or illegal is highly debatable). And if lets say you were working for a cleaning company that among other things cleans the homes of rich artists, then obviously none of these rich artists would want someone with your attitude anywhere near their home. Would I let you repair my car? Don't think so. Would I want to use you as my estate agent? Don't think so.

 

[gnasher729]

If you sell something that is not yours to sell then it is illegal no matter what counrty you are in.

allofmp3.com should be shutdown (and sued). Simple as!

The point is exactly that according to russian law, the music _is_ theirs to sell. Or at least that is what they claim. There will always be loopholes in laws, and sometimes someone will manage to use a loophole to profit in a way that you think is illegal, and that everyone thinks should be illegal, but isn't in fact illegal. Usually these loopholes get closed eventually.

 

[Counterfit]

I just don't think that depriving an artist of the $5, at best, they would make off me had I bought the CD is wrong, especially when they're already millionaires.

But what about the people in the middle? The engineers? All the other techs? All the people that are involved in the production of the album? They're not getting paid for the copy you downloaded, and they sure as hell aren't millionaires.

The point is exactly that according to russian law, the music _is_ theirs to sell. Or at least that is what they claim.

Well actually, that's part of the dispute. The organization that licenses AllOfMP3.com (ROMS) says that they are allowed under Russian law to license the works on behalf all copyright owners, even those that haven't given their permission to ROMS. The Moscow City Prosecutor's Office says ******** (well, sorta).