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well, I really hope counting dots instead of bars doesn't ruin your life too much.
Discussion and argumentation rule number 1: the use of the word or term fanboy or fanboi (or any such derivative) is grounds for instant and immediate disqualification.
As for numbers of people either loving or hating this new design - there will *never* be universal consent one way or the other. Regardless, they're all just opinions, and despite what we may personally think, our opinions are always more important to ourselves than they are to others, and in some cases (current issue not excluded) this is more true than you could ever possibly imagine.
An typical Apple fanboy reaction
It's not "hating" the design, you simply don't read the criticism that's been given about the interaction design. But only designers understand the difference between design and interaction design and you're clearly not one of them with all do respect.
I use the term Apple Fanboy with very good reason, no matter what argument you bring on, these fanboys will always bring the discussion to a dead end using a sophism as argument, namely that you can't argue about "taste" while it's no discussion about taste...
Wow! 300 + comments about ICONS in iOS7? Really?
This one totally escapes me: 300+ comments about icons (?) in iOS7. WTF is going on here? I guess it must be a collection of non-jail break iPhone owners otherwise this would be a non-topic. Just like several other 'enhancements' to iOS which came from the jail break community.
This one totally escapes me: 300+ comments about icons (?) in iOS7. WTF is going on here? I guess it must be a collection of non-jail break iPhone owners otherwise this would be a non-topic. Just like several other 'enhancements' to iOS which came from the jail break community.
And even then you don't understand that the link I provide you with is a direct link to a "digital" article.
That's not an argument and also not relevant. There are plenty of examples where designers worldwide, including myself, have phrased Apple's designs. So you're statement is also incorrect.
That's pure speculation. And to be honest here, I don't mind the opinion of one designer, it's way more interesting that many famous designers both designers and interactive designers have criticism on the new designs and on the interaction of the new iOS system.
Yeah, I'm going along with this. This is getting a polemical "discussion" where Apple fanboys continue to scale it down towards a discussion about "design" while it's about so much more then just that.
Again, you can't argue about taste, but you sure can argue about the choices Apple made concerning interaction design and they way how icon's are being recognized by it's users.
I just hope Apple will come up with some drastic changes and if they are not then it's not the end of the world. Just need to wait when Microsoft and Samsung phones will come up with a new design, Apple will then, like they have done now, copy cat several of these designs and functionality and then the 'world' will have a new discussion once more
One positive note though, Maverick looks promising. That's good news for Apple fanboys, I might even clap for Apple for the new features they've build inside Maverick but I'll not praise the lord or shout hallelujah like most fanboys do. But then again, I'm an atheist.
Yeah because everyone who likes the icons, iOS 7 and the design is a fanboy.Yeah, I'm going along with this. This is getting a polemical "discussion" where Apple fanboys continue to scale it down towards a discussion about "design" while it's about so much more then just that.
Again, you can't argue about taste, but you sure can argue about the choices Apple made concerning interaction design and they way how icon's are being recognized by it's users.
I just hope Apple will come up with some drastic changes and if they are not then it's not the end of the world. Just need to wait when Microsoft and Samsung phones will come up with a new design, Apple will then, like they have done now, copy cat several of these designs and functionality and then the 'world' will have a new discussion once more
One positive note though, Maverick looks promising. That's good news for Apple fanboys, I might even clap for Apple for the new features they've build inside Maverick but I'll not praise the lord or shout hallelujah like most fanboys do. But then again, I'm an atheist.
Whatever! Thats the stupidest **** Ive ever heard save for your other posts on this subject where you try to dismiss opinions at least as valid as your own because you cant defend against their arguments and opinions. Find a new line of attack. The fanboy schtick is lazy and played out and you need to come with something relevant to add to the discussion instead of just trolling the thread.Imo the user interactions are far better than I was expecting. I was expecting a half hearted redesign but instead Apple decided to rethink everything and I appreciate it because the previous iOS interactions were mostly strange and some of the features in iOS 5 and 6 felt tacked on like notification center for example. iOS 7 feels much more unified IMHO.
And when I say design I mean the design of the user interactions as well.
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Two weeks later ... God, i hate it!
Oh well... I may hate it in 2 weeks but I still like it more than iOS 6 and anything prior to it. At the end of the day that is still a win in my book. If you dont like it no one is stopping you from owning something that fits your tastes better. There is android and you can jailbreak your phone or go to windows platform to stick with the skewo crappic stuff in the previous versions of iOS. No one is forcing you to like iOS 7 or use it. You have options. Im sick of you power point designers who dont know the first thing about design trying to tell others what they should think about the user interactions and the design.
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Lmao!
I actually think iOS is stale as is and I was never a fan of the skew...but i tolerated it. I played with iOS 7 on my work buddys iPhone it looks way nicer in person but I just like the design in general. Im generally partial to this type of design. (I have either a shirt or pants or shoes that have the iOS colors in them.) It just looks more amazing in person to me. My first interaction with iOS 7 was using it on his Phone. So maybe that shaped my opinions.
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Of course. I have no hard feelings. I just dont like to be labeled a fanboi because I like something.
Yeah because everyone who likes the icons, iOS 7 and the design is a fanboy.
Please, don't be so hysterical, I never stated that. Quote me to prove otherwise.
In fact, I like most of Apple designs, but as told before, the "discussion" about iOS7 is so much more then just about design. Learn the difference between design and interaction design.
I like Apple products, hack I even work on them in my studio, but if you really like to create a wave of emotional (close to hysterical) reactions then all it takes is some criticism towards Apple products. Before you know it you're an idiot, a Microsoft lover, and whatever comes in the minds of the regular Apple, almost religious, indoctrinated fanboy. It's really like talking to a dogmatic religious guy (or women). Indoctrinated by the belief his lord can't do anything wrong.... And no, I'm not talking about people who like the new iOS7 look, I'm talking about some reactions you get when criticize it.
Like said, I like Apple products, but Apple could hugely make their products better when going for an open source approach. Even co-Apple founder Steve Wozniak has called Apple 'arrogant' in their approach of 'knowing it all better' and it's unwillingness to be more open. The ironic thing is that the famous 1984 commercial from Apple (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZV7PDt8Lw), referring to George Orwell's book, is now turned around. Apple fanboys are now these little grey people who constantly shouting 'Amen' with everything Apple does.
I think that's blocking being innovative and being open minded. Once I saw people all around using iPhones, now most of my friends have either a Samsung or some other smartphone. Trust me, I worked on Apple products long before the firm got popular, I've seen how Apple became extremely popular and, with much regret, shift it's "pro line" approach towards mass consumer little products, iPhone's and iPod's towards iPads. All fine with me, but it's a shame that the very "base" of Apple users who played an important role for keeping Apple as a branch alive, had to wait so long for getting news for a new Mac Pro, machines where we work on in my studio.
Some nice videos for you Apple fanboy
<-- don't miss this smiley!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcW7vlPtd18
And this is a message to Apple fanboys and -girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctoLEZQDAQM
Again, don't get me wrong here, I work on Apple products. But I just can't stand blind followers regarding to whatever issue or branch. It's good to stay focused, and critical about everything, or like Jobs stated himself: be a rebel.
So people who like this new iOS7, i'm fine with that. It's not a discussion primarily about design, you can't argue taste but you can argue interaction design and the aspects that comes along with that. That's all...
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An typical Apple fanboy reaction
It's not "hating" the design, you simply don't read the criticism that's been given about the interaction design. But only designers understand the difference between design and interaction design and you're clearly not one of them with all do respect.
I use the term Apple Fanboy with very good reason, no matter what argument you bring on, these fanboys will always bring the discussion to a dead end using a sophism as argument, namely that you can't argue about "taste" while it's no discussion about taste...
As AdonisSMU has so eloquently said, use of the term fanboy is lazy and played out, I also think of it as cheap and juvenile. It's applied to anyone who might agree with Apple and not with that person, like gawd forbid a person might actually have cogent reasons for agreeing with something Apple releases, but no according to your logic the logic of everyone else who is so superior as to disagree with Apple, anyone who doesn't agree with *you* and those other lazy childish term using dolts, is inferior and labelled fanboy or fanboi. There may be real reasons someone likes something Apple releases - perhaps if you really disagree you might ask them why and have them articulate their reasons? Just a suggestion to keep you off the offensive, "I already know everything about you and your thinking and I'm superior to you because you disagree with me" line of reasoning your posts have been screaming.
This one totally escapes me: 300+ comments about icons (?) in iOS7. WTF is going on here? I guess it must be a collection of non-jail break iPhone owners otherwise this would be a non-topic. Just like several other 'enhancements' to iOS which came from the jail break community.
I know! Someone astutely pointed out on Friday that because it was posted prior to a weekend it would be the top story all weekend long and therefore get top attention from everyone due to lack of any other news on which to comment. It's crazy.
Plot twist. Ive outsources team to design icons, knowing they're going to suck, just in time for iOS reveal. Uses internet to design icons for him. Ends up winning.
My personal favourite:
Jonny Ive redesigns 6 brands in 4 minutes.
Bloody hilarious really.
Well maybe I didn't make myself very clear, but that was exactly my point
. I'm very prolific in using iOS7 because, like you, I'm not 'afraid' of experimenting and figuring things out by trial and error. Nevertheless, I believe the main advantage iOS 1 to 6 had over its competitors (all of them, at least all the ones I've tried) was precisely the fact that older (and younger) people understood the meaning of the buttons without having to 'press' them.I would also give iOS 7 a 5 minus at the scale of 1 to 10. Not only because of what I said but even more importantly because I think the 'buttons-problem' is part of a much broader problem: the lack of visual hierarchy between menu bars, menu items, static information, dynamic information, pressable buttons, content, etc... And that's something that will affect not only younger and older people but every single user of iOS7, because while I am prolific using it, I felt much more confortable using every other iOS iteration.
I don't particularly love the 'skeumorphic' approach of Forstall era, but I trully believe that having some kind of relation between the digital and the analog 'worlds' is very important, and actually I think it's one of the main advantages of touch screens, the fact that you are touching the interface has the power of 'transforming' the digital experience in a more analog one.
However I strongly disagree with you regarding the "Ive being an industrial designer" comment you made. Being a product/interior/urban space designer by academic formation and now working in the user interface design 'area' I might be suspect, but I strongly believe that design is design, because it's always (or it should be) about the interaction of the user with what's being designed.
Of course you can specialize yourself in a certain 'area' of design, or in a certain technicality, so to speak, and I'm not saying such individus are not needed, but I don't really believe in (over)specialization, so I 'designed' my academic path to be more like a generalisation in design than a specialization in one of its specific 'areas' or 'fields', or 'sub-fields', or whatever you wanna call them... and I never met Jonny Ive but I suspect he might have a similar point of view regarding design, that's why I was so 'shocked' that iOS7 failed in the aforementioned aspects (and probably in even more).
But this could grow into an entirely different discussion and I think I already elongated more than I should so I'll leave it here.
I'll just leave a link to a small article I recently found that might be a good (quick) read... at least I hope so.
I'm an Apple fanboy and I really want to like this new look but I hate it...
They have taken away the simplicity by making it too simple.
My 70 year old mom loves her iPhone and iPad mini and she is proud that she can use them easily.
I think this new super bright interface is going to suck for her and new users.
We will adapt but because we will have no choice.
That's what apple is doing lately. No choices.
It's their way or no way.
The same goes for the Mac OS X. Same colors and icons from 10 years ago.
I remember the many ways to customize System 7 and 8 and 9.
Now u are stuck with blue or graphite??? They havent had a graphics color Mac in a decade...
That's why i jailbreak. To have the freedom to have anything I want.
The funny thing is that if u look at Cydia now, there are lots of iOS 7 tweaks out there but as soon as it comes out, there will be iOS 6 themes to go back to normal...
Yeah, I'm going along with this. This is getting a polemical "discussion" where Apple fanboys continue to scale it down towards a discussion about "design" while it's about so much more then just that.
Again, you can't argue about taste, but you sure can argue about the choices Apple made concerning interaction design and they way how icon's are being recognized by it's users.
I just hope Apple will come up with some drastic changes and if they are not then it's not the end of the world. Just need to wait when Microsoft and Samsung phones will come up with a new design, Apple will then, like they have done now, copy cat several of these designs and functionality and then the 'world' will have a new discussion once more
One positive note though, Maverick looks promising. That's good news for Apple fanboys, I might even clap for Apple for the new features they've build inside Maverick but I'll not praise the lord or shout hallelujah like most fanboys do. But then again, I'm an atheist.
I'm drooling to get a copy of Mavericks. It looks amazing and has so many great features I want, and we haven't even heard about them yet.
I'm sure by the GM of iOS7 we will be looking at a much better product.
I think even the developers forgot this iOS7 is a preview as in BETA state kind of preview with the basic codes changes to let THEM create new apps or changes to their actual apps. Why act like a baby for icons looks after paying more than 1K per ticket? Did you guys paid that just to see icons on a home screen??
It's either twisting or just bad reading comprehension, pick one. We were talking about people that don't like the changes in iOS 7 and I say
"yeah, most people think the icons are ugly"
You can in with...
"according to the polls most people like it"
So the polls have only been answered by people who don't the design in iOS 7? No you took it that when I said "most people think they're ugly" as I was saying "most every iOS user finds them ugly". Your misunderstanding, not mine. No reason to bring up polls unless it they somehow directly target the demographic I'm talking about.
All I can say is, WTF. If you choose to be ignorant of wider public opinion because it doesn't support your view then it is you who is twisting facts, not me twisting words.
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I don't yet own an iPhone, but I watch all the updates (ye olde Palm Treo 650 keeps on tickin). Nevertheless, I like the updates for the most part. I was most excited during this past keynote to see actual TABS in OS X finder. That was a thrill.
The new iOS looks good. It's a bit on the little girl, candy shoppe side for me with all the bright colors. But the modernization is kind of nice. To be honest, it almost resembles some of the Android OS that I've seen. Everything seems to be getting flattened and slimmed down, with usage of lots of thin borders around all the buttons. Interesting.
The new iOS looks good. It's a bit on the little girl, candy shoppe side for me with all the bright colors. But the modernization is kind of nice. To be honest, it almost resembles some of the Android OS that I've seen. Everything seems to be getting flattened and slimmed down, with usage of lots of thin borders around all the buttons. Interesting.