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First time I have ever been disgusted by an Apple product.:mad: I was expecting Apple to do away with the extreme skeumorphic stuff here and there, but this neonfest and ugly icons are horrible. I have a feeling all of this is in effort to gear up for the chineese market. As a european, It goes all the way against my taste.
I could not agree with you more.

Last time I quoted you with a "well said" the mods deleted my post and pmed me under the "one word" frivolous post rule....total rubish imho so will see what happens this time.
 
I pretty much love the redesign minus a few things....but they are minor and nothing deal-breaking. Sorry guys I cant co sign on the "boohoo I'm old european and stale and I hate color, etc etc...stuff".
 
It still all looks crap.

I simply cannot believe that Apple designed that icon for the game center. It really is balls!

It's all gone hideously wrong: these icons look juvenile, cheap, sterile, vapid; like the product of a lobotomized committee.
 
Design: Both a Preference and also not a Science

OK, there are lots of pundits here that claim design opinions and that is all they are, and like you know, everybody has one (some have two! ;-)

My Dad is a Swiss Master Jeweler. Although I did not go into the arts for a profession, I've been around it all my life. My sister is a fashion designer. I do most of my own artwork for reports and briefings often to high level audiences. I also design stuff: hardware and on occasion software. I would never put myself in the league of a Jon Ive about design, but I also will claim to I know a bunch more than many here who robotically follow the lemmings off the cliff of liking this goo that has been promulgated as iOS 7.

So Susan Kare says she likes the new icons. So what else would you think she would say about her alma matter and candidate customer? Also, not to be sexist in any way, but she is a girl and girls like candy coated pastel Easter Egg motif colors. Don't believe me? Go to J.C. Pennys or any larger department store and look in the Womens department and then go to the Mens department. Unless you are in Hawaii, you will find very few high brightness colors in the Mens department.

Same holds for houses. Why are most houses painted some variant of beige? Why are they not pastel red, or bright violet, or florescent green? It is because the subdued colors are the most popular, the most desired and the least contentious.

Now I'm not saying that iOS 7 should be beige (although Mac OS-X successfully pulls off a similarly dull motif in gray, so maybe that is not such a bad idea). But glaring bright florescent candy coated colors is going to polarize the audience no matter what. You will either love it (until you get in a professional setting where such color candy will get you depreciated) or you will hate it (as I do since I think that Steve got it mostly right the first time).

THAT is the failing of the iOS 7. Jon Ives SAYS that he applied his now famous philosophy of design to the interface of iOS 7. I say hell NO! That is why it fails. It is not simple, nor elegant nor intuitively obvious etc. If Jon had applied his same design philosophy to the iOS look, then it would be all aluminum ;-) But seriously it would! It would not be what it is now. And now we hear that maybe he did not have that much to do with it after all, giving it to the Apple marketing department to design the icons!

The bottom line is that the design tenants of hardware do not directly translate to the graphic arts. And the graphic arts of marketing are not those of a device interface. Hardware is more functional, more logical, more choleric. Marketing art is about catching attention, "being different', being loud. Device interfacing is more art, more intuitive, more subtle, and both emotional and thoughtful. iOS 7 icons may be bright, but that does not make them good art, nor good Graphics Arts, nor a good interface.
 
Opinions are opinions, but personally I could admire the beauty and detailness of the icons (for example I think the Garageband icon is really beautiful). They were some pieces of art in their own right. I think that really differentiated iOS from its competitors. I see the new look and feel as a step back in that respect.

I also hoped that iOS7 would have meant a paradigm shift in that there would be an elegant way to overcome the icon based interface (which is as old as the late 70s). I'm not saying Windows Tiles is the ultimate solution but it clearly is the direction in which one would think to make the next step in designing user interfaces.
 
Flat icons and more

I don't get this iOS 7 flat icons, I mean most people are going to have three or four (Or more) applications they bought from the iTunes store that are not going to be flat. So much for the colors scheme.
 
I Disagree with BS people come up with to justify something that you can do much better from the get go.

What BS has anyone come up with?

Other than "Its Beta software, so its not perfect yet".

That's not BS.

That's something that obviously applies to any Beta software.
 
Honestly people wouldve complained no matter what. Last year it was Apple needs to redesign it. They have and now its go back to what you were doing before. You cant win. Had this design come out first and apple switched to the skew people woulve been griping because it changed something they were used to.

Honestly im not sure how much I should trust the opinion of people whove never designed anything other than throw some shapes and a graph on a powerpoint presentation.

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It still all looks crap.

I simply cannot believe that Apple designed that icon for the game center. It really is balls!

It's all gone hideously wrong: these icons look juvenile, cheap, sterile, vapid; like the product of a lobotomized committee.

Here we go again with people referencing the fact that they are too old. Like really?
 
The bottom line is that the design tenants of hardware do not directly translate to the graphic arts. And the graphic arts of marketing are not those of a device interface. Hardware is more functional, more logical, more choleric. Marketing art is about catching attention, "being different', being loud. Device interfacing is more art, more intuitive, more subtle, and both emotional and thoughtful. iOS 7 icons may be bright, but that does not make them good art, nor good Graphics Arts, nor a good interface.

Good story mate, and in a nutshell exactly right. :apple:

What frustrates me is that, mostly none designers, don't get is that this whole debate is so much more then just about the looks of the icons, despite I don't like the icons, I find them hideous, it's the inconsistence I dislike. Some buttons simply doesn't make ANY sense, few lines which doesn't mean anything and the Apple fanboys shouting hallelujah!

You can have a difference in taste, sure, you can't argue taste, but you sure can argue the 'meaning' of the look and feel. I've shown the new interface to lots of people and the general reaction, despite of comments like ugly and yak, it's that people simply don't understand what certain buttons do.

On top of that the new interaction design is nothing "new" and for sure nothing "amazing" and "brilliant" as all the Apple fanboys like you to believe. Most new interactions where already made by other smartphone companies, and many new features are simply copy paste actions from third party engineers. Like the "lamp" icon, sure, it's handy to have it at hand, but one click on a button from the app called "lampie" and voila let there be light....

Then the option to switch of Wifi, sure that's handy! But I would like to get access straight away to the settings as well. I rather have one click away access to the Wifi settings then just the switch on and off version. Even worse, I got two Wifi channels at home for privacy reasons, when switching on and off it selects the best "source" but I need to go to settings to see "which" source.

It's one of the many incoherent issues that comes along with iOS7.

Then the Apple fanboys are shouting: it's just beta! Beta my *beep*, if Apple need months and months of designing such simple aspects then I don't regard apple to be a company acting in a professional way. What about beta TESTING folks? Let people with know-how about interaction design have some criticism and fine-tune the device BEFORE you let it out with the result you have now: many newspapers and magazines that quite rightfully criticizing the new iOS.

Then the Apple fanboys shouting Hallelujah! This is Ive's design, so let it be known! It's good, no matter what you say!

And that's exactly where it all starts going wrong. The dogmatic view of "knowing it all better".

It would be less frustrating when Ive actually had came up with something NEW, because it's hilarious that Apple fanboys are shouting Hallelujah!, this is new while it's simply is not... the whole iOS is a gathering of already existing designs and interaction approach from various other devises. It's really really strange to see Apple bitching about companies steeling "their" design while they themselves are copying like crazy.

And before all the Apple fanboys going to shout blasphemy and condemn me for being a Microsoft lover, I'm working on Mac's all my life when most of you where still struggling to see daylight for the first time. I LOVE Apple products and I'm even thinking about buying the new Mac Pro when it comes out. For my design company I dig Apple, and I'm sure not thinking of stepping over. But if Apple really like to regain it's "coolness" factor, and trust me, when I bought the 7100 hundred serie Apple computer they where anything but popular, they really need to do these things:

- Make iCloud accessible for none apple products
As Forbes stated: It’s frustrating how difficult it is to share photos and videos on an iPhone or iPad. In the mobile world, there are a few killer apps: photos, maps, messaging, and music. As a reader said below in the comments section, “Apple needs to do all of these.”

- Talk once more with the music industry, iRadio? Seriously?!?!
iRadio is a laughing matter. Why on earth should I use iRadio while I can select my own music I like to hear with Spotify? And why should I choose iRadio when fellows like shoutcast have been all around for years with hundreds of radio stations that are actually controlled by professional DJ's instead of algorithms that "think" it will know what my flavor would be when I skipping a song?
Why would I not choose Google Radio where you can actually see the next ten numbers and select the 8th one skipping directly the previous 7? I really don't get it, Apple has billions to spend, if they want they can pay just a little bit more to the music industry and build a new Spotify kind of program (not iTunes, that program really sucks) that does the same thing.
Not inventive? Nope, it isn't. But it sure brings Apple head strong back towards the role of popularity and on the long turn that's very very important. When I can have more access to way more music choice with Apple then I have with Spotify for the same amount of money I would step over for sure.
The Apple story has so much more products to offer then any other online store with Amazon as one of the exceptions.
iRadio is the next Ping, wait and see!

Lastly, let Apple stop accusing others for being copy cats while doing the same

Once I saw an Apple that was holding on on it successes stating there products where simply the best. Now, when bigger smartphone's become popular rumors go that Apple will come along with bigger iPhones. Why? Seriously, why? I always thought, and still do, that despite of the new hideous iOS7 design that the hardware of the iPhone 5 is superior to those of the competitors. The iPhone also feels so much better in hand then those plastic devises from other companies. But now other companies are becoming more popular and on many online magazines the iPhone is no longer the nr 1 smartphone devices I see an Apple trying to follow the route of there competitors rather then to come along with simply something better. And trust me, a "bigger" phone doesn't make a phone "better". I don't ever will call someone with a size table tennis bet on my ears.


Mu 2 cents...
 
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Game Center is based on playful circles, which makes sense. Photos is an abstract sunflower. The artwork looks much better and sharper on retina displays.

"Playful circles"? ...balloons with highlights, shadows and fake 3D tones...? Hardly following the so-called "flat" aesthetic proposed by Mr Ive.

"Abstract sunflower"? Get off the grass! It's clip-art at best and primary school design at worst. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

But of course, we now are told Jony didn't design the icons. No, the 'Marcoms' team did. In PowerPoint?

So, we can all now sleep safe in the knowledge that when the actual Apple Design Team get to work, we will have something to be proud of again. Fingers crossed...:rolleyes:

PS. I'm a Graphic Designer with over 23 years international Top 10 agency experience. Not your average moaning armchair critic. Just thought I'd say.
 
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I love the new design concept!
That layered, 3D effect looks awesome.
The translucent, etched glass effect looks rather cool on Control Center.

And I was hoping for something like Control Center, especially as I have the latest iPod Touch which doesnt have the ambient light sensor so it is a bit of a hassle going into settings to adjust the brightness. Control Center will make it much quicker and easier. :)

I love the new Safari tab browsing. Coolness!

But like most other folks, I also find that there are a few design elements that are a little too simple or rather a little too flat. Some of the colors are a little unappealing... may just take some getting used to.

Interesting though that the button design simplicity is somewhat similar to that of the Apple Newton which was released 20 years ago, back in 1993. Is this where they drew inspiration from I wonder.

Still, all in all I'm glad that Apple have come up with a new design.
:)
 
Every year we hear all the folks complain about what Apple is doing or what they are not doing and come Fall 2013 we will hear high praise from these same people. Never fails...
 
Take heart, you can bet if they get enough negative feedback from developers and users, they will change the icons. Apple can't afford to force stuff down people's throats with impunity as in days of yore. Even Microsoft has backpeddled on Windows 8 after all.
 
Good story mate, and in a nutshell exactly right. :apple:

What frustrates me is that, mostly none designers, don't get is that this whole debate is so much more then just about the looks of the icons, despite I don't like the icons, I find them hideous, it's the inconsistence I dislike. Some buttons simply doesn't make ANY sense, few lines which doesn't mean anything and the Apple fanboys shouting hallelujah!

You can have a difference in taste, sure, you can't argue taste, but you sure can argue the 'meaning' of the look and feel. I've shown the new interface to lots of people and the general reaction, despite of comments like ugly and yak, it's that people simply don't understand what certain buttons do.

On top of that the new interaction design is nothing "new" and for sure nothing "amazing" and "brilliant" as all the Apple fanboys like you to believe. Most new interactions where already made by other smartphone companies, and many new features are simply copy paste actions from third party engineers. Like the "lamp" icon, sure, it's handy to have it at hand, but one click on a button from the app called "lampie" and voila let there be light....

Then the option to switch of Wifi, sure that's handy! But I would like to get access straight away to the settings as well. I rather have one click away access to the Wifi settings then just the switch on and off version. Even worse, I got two Wifi channels at home for privacy reasons, when switching on and off it selects the best "source" but I need to go to settings to see "which" source.

It's one of the many incoherent issues that comes along with iOS7.

Then the Apple fanboys are shouting: it's just beta! Beta my *beep*, if Apple need months and months of designing such simple aspects then I don't regard apple to be a company acting in a professional way. What about beta TESTING folks? Let people with know-how about interaction design have some criticism and fine-tune the device BEFORE you let it out with the result you have now: many newspapers and magazines that quite rightfully criticizing the new iOS.

Then the Apple fanboys shouting Hallelujah! This is Ive's design, so let it be known! It's good, no matter what you say!

And that's exactly where it all starts going wrong. The dogmatic view of "knowing it all better".

It would be less frustrating when Ive actually had came up with something NEW, because it's hilarious that Apple fanboys are shouting Hallelujah!, this is new while it's simply is not... the whole iOS is a gathering of already existing designs and interaction approach from various other devises. It's really really strange to see Apple bitching about companies steeling "their" design while they themselves are copying like crazy.

And before all the Apple fanboys going to shout blasphemy and condemn me for being a Microsoft lover, I'm working on Mac's all my life when most of you where still struggling to see daylight for the first time. I LOVE Apple products and I'm even thinking about buying the new Mac Pro when it comes out. For my design company I dig Apple, and I'm sure not thinking of stepping over. But if Apple really like to regain it's "coolness" factor, and trust me, when I bought the 7100 hundred serie Apple computer they where anything but popular, they really need to do these things:

- Make iCloud accessible for none apple products
As Forbes stated: It’s frustrating how difficult it is to share photos and videos on an iPhone or iPad. In the mobile world, there are a few killer apps: photos, maps, messaging, and music. As a reader said below in the comments section, “Apple needs to do all of these.”

- Talk once more with the music industry, iRadio? Seriously?!?!
iRadio is a laughing matter. Why on earth should I use iRadio while I can select my own music I like to hear with Spotify? And why should I choose iRadio when fellows like shoutcast have been all around for years with hundreds of radio stations that are actually controlled by professional DJ's instead of algorithms that "think" it will know what my flavor would be when I skipping a song?
Why would I not choose Google Radio where you can actually see the next ten numbers and select the 8th one skipping directly the previous 7? I really don't get it, Apple has billions to spend, if they want they can pay just a little bit more to the music industry and build a new Spotify kind of program (not iTunes, that program really sucks) that does the same thing.
Not inventive? Nope, it isn't. But it sure brings Apple head strong back towards the role of popularity and on the long turn that's very very important. When I can have more access to way more music choice with Apple then I have with Spotify for the same amount of money I would step over for sure.
The Apple story has so much more products to offer then any other online store with Amazon as one of the exceptions.
iRadio is the next Ping, wait and see!

Lastly, let Apple stop accusing others for being copy cats while doing the same

Once I saw an Apple that was holding on on it successes stating there products where simply the best. Now, when bigger smartphone's become popular rumors go that Apple will come along with bigger iPhones. Why? Seriously, why? I always thought, and still do, that despite of the new hideous iOS7 design that the hardware of the iPhone 5 is superior to those of the competitors. The iPhone also feels so much better in hand then those plastic devises from other companies. But now other companies are becoming more popular and on many online magazines the iPhone is no longer the nr 1 smartphone devices I see an Apple trying to follow the route of there competitors rather then to come along with simply something better. And trust me, a "bigger" phone doesn't make a phone "better". I don't ever will call someone with a size table tennis bet on my ears.


Mu 2 cents...
if you dont want new features then fine. Apple will have its own twist on whatever feature it is and it does. No one got mad at MSFT or accused them of copying. Ohh wait they licensed with Apple and did their own twist. Samsung just lifted Apples design without paying for it to the point of looking identical to Apples iPhone...even google thought e Samsung design wasnt different enough.

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Take heart, you can bet if they get enough negative feedback from developers and users, they will change the icons. Apple can't afford to force stuff down people's throats with impunity as in days of yore. Even Microsoft has backpeddled on Windows 8 after all.

Theyd never release anything if they listened to the negative feedback before people actually got the product in their hands. IPad was panned when it was announced by pretty much everyone right up until the sales numbers came in.
 
All these pastel colors make the phone look like it was in the middle of an explosion in an Easter egg dye factory...
 
Take heart, you can bet if they get enough negative feedback from developers and users, they will change the icons. Apple can't afford to force stuff down people's throats with impunity as in days of yore. Even Microsoft has backpeddled on Windows 8 after all.

During Steve Jobs' work at Apple I would disagree. However, since Cook has been CEO, many department heads were fired or moved. Developers (and consumers) noticed something very different with the OS X 10.9 announcement. Many if the issues reported by developers and consumers in feedback or bug reporting (UI and graphics being major points of contention) were addressed, even acknowledged by Federighi. Multiple display support, OpenGL 4.0+ (shadedareas in 4.1 was one of few supported in 10.8.4), speed (10.9 beta 1 is fast, dare I state even more stable than Mountain Lion), keychain syncing returned, and less focus on social networking integration and more on stability, UI and power. I hate to use a tired joke in a serious manner, but this would truly not have happened to this extent with Steve Jobs making the calls.
 
Honestly people wouldve complained no matter what. Last year it was Apple needs to redesign it. They have and now its go back to what you were doing before. You cant win. Had this design come out first and apple switched to the skew people woulve been griping because it changed something they were used to.

Honestly im not sure how much I should trust the opinion of people whove never designed anything other than throw some shapes and a graph on a powerpoint presentation.

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Here we go again with people referencing the fact that they are too old. Like really?

Totally with you on this one. Nothing more irritating than non-designers claiming to be able to design things better or designers who are egomaniacs and think THEY can do better. People are often afraid of two things: CHANGE and COLOR. That's why most people's houses are so damn boring. Beige and white everywhere.

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Take heart, you can bet if they get enough negative feedback from developers and users, they will change the icons. Apple can't afford to force stuff down people's throats with impunity as in days of yore. Even Microsoft has backpeddled on Windows 8 after all.

You give the fashion police way too much credit. A few whiners on a website don't amount to anything substantial. The basic rule of marketing is that people are much more likely to complain than praise. So for every one person who loudly whines, there are many more who are quietly happy. There's absolutely NO reason to change these icons because a few people are afraid of color. Design is always in the eye of the beholder and there's no pleasing everyone. If you don't buy an iPhone because you don't like an icon or the color of something, you don't need an iPhone. Buy an Android where you can put your own "unique" design taste on it.

The only feedback Apple jumps on is when a feature doesn't work as intended. THEN, they get right on it and fix it.
 
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Been testing the beat since launch day and I don't even notice the icons any more, everything else is a big step forward with some excellent design touches.

I have a Nexus 4 and have been very impressed with Android, it was making iOS look dated, but now I'm much happier with iOS.
 
I don't get this iOS 7 flat icons, I mean most people are going to have three or four (Or more) applications they bought from the iTunes store that are not going to be flat. So much for the colors scheme.

Whether you like them or not, if those apps don't update their icons then iOS 7 will upscale them to the new size (icons are now larger than they were), so not only will they look out of place and dated according to how Apple wants icons to be from now on (flat with no drop shadows, simpler in design, colours carried through within the app to indicate items that are selectable, etc.), they'll be scaled to fit the new size requirements by the OS automatically.

That might motivate some app developers to update (assume all the popular apps??), or be happy looking even more out of place on the screens of the new OS. That means, the discontinuity might not last for long or be as bad as it could be (perhaps this is how Apple is motivating everyone to adopt the new style??), and I agree that if there's a big mix of icon types and styles, it might not be very nice to look at.
 
Also, not to be sexist in any way, but she is a girl and girls like candy coated pastel Easter Egg motif colors. Don't believe me? Go to J.C. Pennys or any larger department store and look in the Womens department and then go to the Mens department. Unless you are in Hawaii, you will find very few high brightness colors in the Mens department.

And why do you think men's fashion has to determine an iOS theme? That IS sexist of you.

BTW- I was just in NYC and saw a bunch of men walking around in RED pants. So, maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

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You should also pay attention to all the colors non-caucasian men wear. They are confident and wear more than boring brown, black and navy.

Same holds for houses. Why are most houses painted some variant of beige? Why are they not pastel red, or bright violet, or florescent green? It is because the subdued colors are the most popular, the most desired and the least contentious.

People do that because it costs a lot of money to paint a house or buy furniture so you pick a color that you can live with for a long time and can add various pops of bright color on a whim. In that analogy, the outside of an iPhone is a neutral black or white and the iOS is the pops of color, especially when you add your own background.

Look at the Queen Anns in San Francisco where people are NOT afraid of color.

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When you talk about color, confident people wear more color than wallflowers. Fashion-forward people wear more color. Adventurous people wear more color. Creative people wear more color. That says Apple to me.

Now I'm not saying that iOS 7 should be beige (although Mac OS-X successfully pulls off a similarly dull motif in gray, so maybe that is not such a bad idea). But glaring bright florescent candy coated colors is going to polarize the audience no matter what. You will either love it (until you get in a professional setting where such color candy will get you depreciated) or you will hate it (as I do since I think that Steve got it mostly right the first time).

Apple has ALWAYS been known for setting people apart from the rest. It's their forte. If you want boring, safe and mainstream (and BEIGE), go pc.
 
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And why do you think men's fashion has to determine an iOS theme? That IS sexist of you. And I rarely wear bright colors, just so you know. Should I turn in my girl card?
No girl card for you!

In all seriousness, the op's point stands. It is not socially acceptable for adult males to wear bright colored pastels in most settings.

BTW- I was just in NYC and saw a bunch of men walking around in RED pants. So, maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.
There is nothing wrong with red. Dark reds are masculine. Burgundy is a staple of every man's wardrobe.

However, bright reds are a faux pas outside of sporting events (i.e., team colors), the fourth of July, and Christmas.
 
It's going to be amazing, in another years time, looking back at all the HATE in this thread about the new Icons, seeing people THEN post how amazing it all looks and totally forgetting all they are saying now.

Just how we had all the HATE for the iPhone4 design when it was 1st leaked.
 
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