Alternative iOS App Stores Only Work for 'Grace Period' When Traveling Outside of EU

[steve09090]

According to the European Commission, it depends on the circumstances and where and ow it is collected. It's doesn't always apply:

When the regulation does not apply

Your company is service provider based outside the EU. It provides services to customers outside the EU. Its clients can use its services when they travel to other countries, including within the EU. Provided your company doesn't specifically target its services at individuals in the EU, it is not subject to the rules of the GDPR.

As long as you do not target your services to individuals in the EU, you do not fall under its provisions. It's pretty specific about applying only if you target or monitor individuals in the EU; which is why some companies that don't do business there block EU IP addresses to avoid any appearance of targeting EU customers. If an EU citizen or resident travels outside of the EU and deals with a company the GDPR doesn't automatically apply. Home Depot, for example, blocks its site when I am in the EU and thus doesn't target the EU market.

The internet has made the extra-territoriality of laws an issue, IMHO, since one nation's laws may conflict with another's.

For multinationals it is no doubt a challenge to meet all of them and protect revenue; as Apple is showing with the EU's DMA.

Thaty's interesting.

However, if processing personal data isn’t a core part of your business and your activity doesn't create risks for individuals, then some obligations of the GDPR will not apply to you​

Clearly this means Google will ALWAYS be subject to the GDPR.

I was on the other side in harmony with the chorus of stout defenders just five short years ago.

I'm glad that you were able to break away and have all of the freedom data theft provides. I'm happy where I am. And I hope you got a good price for your products.

Let me see if I understood correctly; according with Tim Apple's mind, if I travel to a non EU country for a period of time, I lose my EU citizenship?

Timmy, you better not test EU patience... the EU is slower to act, but the hand is big and heavy.

Not sure where you got that from. You don't lose your citizenship, you lose the right to download apps from the alternative apps store, because you are not covered under the policies or regulations of the DMA.

 

[steve09090]

I wouldn't worry about it. I think the vast majority of apps currently in Apple's App Store will remain there. Some apps may ALSO become available in alternative app stores but that doesn't mean they'll leave the App Store anytime soon.

it's the malicious apps scraping and harvesting data from the legitimate apps i would be worrying about.

 

[.wojtek]

We don’t need any 3rd party crapstores to begin with. We don’t want IOS to become next android bloat full of malware and viruses.

please don't spread FUD dear...

Guys it is all about Security! The EU is not a tech company and they should not be picking winners and losers! I would like to see the EU try to produce their own smart phone!

Did USA produced their own OS? Nope, so your parallel is invalid :-D

curious... why do you keep coming to Macrumors and commenting if you no longer have any Apple devices?

to keep up with Apple news? or one has to have apple chip in the rear area to log in here? :-D

 

[wanha]

I appreciate your effort. You tried to come up with something to shoo shoo a skeptic. Those that you said are welcome here. I was a fan, and may become one again.

Hmmm... how can one be a skeptic and yet come to a conclusion about something?

 

[treacher]

Read the last sentence.

 

[WB2Colorado]

Can anyone running Android actually confirm that DesiMunda's post is even slightly accurate, because I don't have an Android and never have, and so really wouldn't know what it's like!

I’ve used android for many years and have never gotten malware. I don’t know anyone else who has either

 

[Analog Kid]

This behaviour from Apple is making me consider not buying an iPhone when it's time to upgrade.

Then don't.

This behavior from the EU is making me consider not moving to Europe when it's time for a new house.

 

[twintin]

It's either deliberate and malicious or incompetent - you choose.

Not at all. If EU citizen could access alternative market places outside of EU it would mean alternative market places would be available world wide to anyone, something the clearly do not want at present time. I also think the law as such
is not very well thought out since alternative marketplaces as such is of not much interest until they are available on all markets where App Store is available.

 

[steve09090]

I’ve used android for many years and have never gotten malware. I don’t know anyone else who has either

Problem is you might not know. A year or so ago they found heaps of apps in the App Store and google play store that were committing ad fraud.

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[Xanix]

Thaty's interesting.

However, if processing personal data isn’t a core part of your business and your activity doesn't create risks for individuals, then some obligations of the GDPR will not apply to you​

Clearly this means Google will ALWAYS be subject to the GDPR.


I'm glad that you were able to break away and have all of the freedom data theft provides. I'm happy where I am. And I hope you got a good price for your products.


Not sure where you got that from. You don't lose your citizenship, you lose the right to download apps from the alternative apps store, because you are not covered under the policies or regulations of the DMA.

…”; according with Tim Apple's mind,”…

That was an euphemism… you understand that, right?

 

[yoak]

Already beat you to it. 20-year Apple user here; tossed it all. Their true colors are loudly on display these past few years.

But still, here you are

 

[Larabee119]

They are desperately trying hard to do the absolute bare minimum. Pathetic.

Hopefully other countries force them to add alternative stores.

Go use android. Stop buying apple. That's the easiest way.

 

[steve09090]

That was a euphemism… you understand that, right?

So you’re saying it was just something made up to exaggerate a point of view?

 

[j26]

Not at all. If EU citizen could access alternative market places outside of EU it would mean alternative market places would be available world wide to anyone, something the clearly do not want at present time. I also think the law as such
is not very well thought out since alternative marketplaces as such is of not much interest until they are available on all markets where App Store is available.

Sorry, but that's not really answering the question. It does not follow that if an EU resident (not citizen) can access UPDATES, then everyone has full unbridled access to the alternative app stores.

A security hole was left - it was either deliberate or incompetent.

 

[steve09090]

Go use android. Stop buying apple. That's the easiest way.

Android users will be demanding access to the App Store next. Oh the humanity!

 

[nutjob]

Makes sense to me. EU laws don’t apply outside of the EU.

EU laws very much apply outside the EU. If you bought that phone in the EU it is an EU phone and must maintain those rights no matter where you are. If you are an EU citizen you may have additional rights that apply until you stop being a citizen. Of course only the EU can enforce their own laws.

This is not a hard call to make, Apple will back down on this because it's clearly contrary to the law.

 

[nutjob]

We don’t need any 3rd party crapstores to begin with. We don’t want IOS to become next android bloat full of malware and viruses.

No one's forcing you to install any appstores you don't want.

But I hate to break it to you: the Apple astore has malware too.

 

[nutjob]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Neither do you.

 

[steve09090]

No one's forcing you to install any appstores you don't want.

But I hate to break it to you: the Apple astore has malware too.

And Apple acknowledge that. They also have very little compared to other stores. Will the new apps stores have the same level of oversight through. Can that be guaranteed?

 

[steve09090]

EU laws very much apply outside the EU. If you bought that phone in the EU it is an EU phone and must maintain those rights no matter where you are. If you are an EU citizen you may have additional rights that apply until you stop being a citizen. Of course only the EU can enforce their own laws.

This is not a hard call to make, Apple will back down on this because it's clearly contrary to the law.

The EU cannot force other countries to force Apple to comply with EU laws. EU are specifically, out of their jurisdiction

 

[falkon-engine]

Before you know it you'll need a EU Visa to use the alternative app stores.

 

[ifxf]

Guys it is all about Security! The EU is not a tech company and they should not be picking winners and losers! I would like to see the EU try to produce their own smart phone!

Europe is home to one of the two companies that produces the equipment that cell companies buy. They are also home to the one company that makes the machines that create the chips that Apple needs. Both of these technologies are much harder then slapping together a bunch of components to create a cell phone.

 

[Egk]

This makes me rethink my professional career as an iOS developer, I can work on other things. The same for devices etc. and go out of the ecosystem. It's nothing more than disgusting.

 

[jlc1978]

EU laws very much apply outside the EU. If you bought that phone in the EU it is an EU phone and must maintain those rights no matter where you are.

If you buy it in the EU, but even then not all laws will apply. For example, warranty rights may require returning the item to an EU service center or store; even if a manufacturer has facilities outside the EU. If you buy a product outside of the EU the company may require you to return the item to the country of purchase to get warranty support; and have a shorter warranty period.

If you are an EU citizen you may have additional rights that apply until you stop being a citizen. Of course only the EU can enforce their own laws.

Sure, which is why they don't automatically apply outside of the EU, regardless of your residence or citizenship.

This is not a hard call to make, Apple will back down on this because it's clearly contrary to the law.

It will be interesting to see how the EU reacts to this. I'm surprised they did this because they could have limited access to phones sold exclusively in the EU via hardware and software functionality, as well as by where you sign into iCloud if you use it; and still all open access to alternatives to their App Store.

 

[Konrad]

Having few passports, if I had to give up one, would it be the US one, or the EU document could be somewhat of a no brainer. But it isn’t. Meanwhile…..that’s how I feel, about apple, because there are more important problems on the table…