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I've already apologized in advance. And I'm not really interested in a tablet right now, I was only pointing out improbability. Even if it wasn't nice :eek:.

It is ok. :)
Sometimes I am very sensitive to what people post. :eek:

Apple, just release the MacBooks now!
People want them now!
 
That one on the left is a little visually misleading only in terms of the vertical space we'd be losing. Its because it divides the loss equally on the top & bottom so it doesn't look so bad the way it is. Drop the 16:9 image down so their bottom edges are on the same plane & you'll see a different aspect as to exactly how much real estate will be gone.
The other one I made was kinda like that:
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The other one I made was kinda like that:
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That still doesn't show the effect of going from 1920x1200 to 1920x1080, since your picture is showing an increase horizontally. It is a pixel loss of 10% pure and simple, and people WILL notice the difference in real life.
 
You've based that assumption from horror stories in a Mac forum, where it is full of posts with people with problems? This is the place to come and post if your Mac breaks, and the amount of posts with people and problems with their Macs can never be used as a realistic statistic on Apple's construction quality.

I never said I based my opinion on that. I said because of the forum it just cemented my plan to get AppleCare. Its my experience around computers that in general the older PowerMacs lasted longer without issues. I'm aware what forums bring to the table.
 
My first Mac was a Macintosh Performa 6200 CD that I bought in 1995. It came in a huge box and I think I paid around $3K for it.

That computer was my main computer from 1995-fall 2000 when I bought a Blueberry iMac. My Performa never left my house for any repairs. I still play Oregon Trail on it sometimes.

I bought an iBook G3 in 2002, and it went in for a few logic board recalls/repairs. At some point the port died where you plug in your power cord to charge the battery, so I had that repaired. I had to pay for that because I didn't buy AppleCare with any of my pre-2004 Macs. When I got my G4 PowerBook in 2004 I bought AppleCare, and I used it a few times (like when my hard drive failed).

I can see the argument that Apple doesn't use the caliber of parts that they used to. But at the same time, computers are much more complex now than they were before: maybe there are simply more things that can go wrong.

I never used to buy AppleCare because I didn't feel like I needed it, but now I will never buy another Mac (that I plan to keep around for a while) without it. I'm posting from my 12" G4 PowerBook that I bought in March, 2004. I'd keep it forever if I could because it's so portable yet capable.

Am I the only person who hates the idea of a black keyboard on a MacBookPro? :(

Thank you. Nice to hear some testament about the durability of the ol' beige boxes. From the experience of my friends I was planning on getting AppleCare for any future notebooks...just the nature of portability makes them prone to problems. I'm not sure I'd get it for any future desktops though.

So why did Apple cancel the 12"er? All I hear is how everyone absolutely loves them. I really think they should bring them back.

ps I can't stand the idea of a black keyboard either. I would love the current silver kybrd only make it out of aluminum as well. I find it much better to work on than the chicklets.
 
So why did Apple cancel the 12"er? All I hear is how everyone absolutely loves them. I really think they should bring them back.

No idea and YES THEY SHOULD! Anybody know Job's phone #? Screw emailing him! Calling him a 3am in the morning will change his tune!




I'm only half kidding :D
 
No, it does not in my opinion. :p


What a strange statement.:confused:

The discussion was about the effect of 16:10 vs. 16:9 on current 1980 pixel wide displays.

On 16:10 you currently get 1980:1200
On 16:9 you will get 1980:1080

You loose screen estate and 'IT DOES NOT MATTER'????

What is wrong with you. If Apple would put in HD's with 10% less capacity or Intel Procs with 2,2 instead of 2,4 Ghz would you make the same statement?
 
If the next batch of laptops are 16:9, I'm going to assume that the panels are much cheaper to produce and hate them for it - irrelevent of it being true or not.
 
If the next batch of laptops are 16:9, I'm going to assume that the panels are much cheaper to produce and hate them for it - irrelevent of it being true or not.

You have hit the nail on the head. They are indeed cheaper, since the screen area is smaller (less glass substrate, more factory output).

Look at display technology. It is one of the slowest evolving component in the computing industry. It has took them decades to reach the current level of resolution - 2.3 Megapixel on the current iMac! Compare this to digital cameras!

Now going back to 2.1 Megapixel is progress? Because movies do not fully utilise the screen? Give me a break!
 
So why did Apple cancel the 12"er? All I hear is how everyone absolutely loves them. I really think they should bring them back.

I would like something like that to return too.

It was probably a case of not realising something was good until it was gone. I remember at the time there was no shortage of moaning about the 12" how it was "crippled" compared to the 15 and 17 models (eg. lower max ram, no card slot, no backlit keyboard).
 
Not even $1 from me for Apple these 4 years...

So why did Apple cancel the 12"er? All I hear is how everyone absolutely loves them. I really think they should bring them back.

I would like something like that to return too.

It was probably a case of not realising something was good until it was gone. I remember at the time there was no shortage of moaning about the 12" how it was "crippled" compared to the 15 and 17 models (eg. lower max ram, no card slot, no backlit keyboard).

The 12" is now regarded as a classic and one of the best-loved laptops that Apple ever built. Why they never even created a 13" Macbook Pro is crazy (I know, sales and popularity of the Macbook and all that).

But, I have given Apple diddly-squat for a laptop since 2004! I am typing on a 12" Powerbook as of now and have not been inticed to spend anything else during these 4 years -- which is a very long time in the tech industry.

Well, we’ll see if these new Macbook Pros will entice me to dust of the cob webs from my wallet...:cool:

(Not if they have black keys on silver! Super-fugly combo!
 
Apple is sure as hell not going to go back to 12" now. Everybody is touting the 13.3" with "thin" in the ads. And if Apple gets copied they feel as if its a success.:(
 
Why they never even created a 13" Macbook Pro is crazy
Crazy? Quite on the contrary. It's common sense. There are (too) few things where it would be distinguishable from the plain MacBook. What is or what could realistically be different between the MB and MBP, besides screen size?

(Not if they have black keys on silver! Super-fugly combo!
It's certainly not going to be white, huh?
I'd guess the next MBP will take design cues from Apple's most recent aluminum notebook offerings... which would be the MacBook Air.

I remember at the time there was no shortage of moaning about the 12" how it was "crippled" compared to the 15 and 17 models (eg. lower max ram, no card slot, no backlit keyboard).
...which omits its biggest drawback, IMO: The display itself. 12" displays just don't quite cut it anymore with OS X*. The horizontal resolution was insufficient in some widely used apps even back then. Think menu bars in MS Office...

* unless it's an ultraportable computer. But the 12" PB has never been really ultraportable.

The bottom line is:
You can get PowerBook 12" - silver aluminum = MacBook today.
At a lower price point.
 
What is or what could realistically be different between the MB and MBP, besides screen size?

The same thing as currently? A better gfx chipset.
You say realisticly, but I don't see apple doing anything decent compared to the competition - I'd only be impressed (and actually buy into) if they sacrifised a millimeter or two and produced a powerful ultraportable that wasn't rediculous money for what's inside.

Hard to justify doing this, as it would (should) just be a mac air, but with a 'proper' cpu and half the price.
 
I too would love either a 12" or 13" MacBook Pro.

Screen size is not an issue, because I'll hook it up to my external display when I'm at home to do work. Then, on the go, I've got a nifty little laptop packed with a lot of power.
 
A better gfx chipset.
Well... The GPU has never been a strong point in Apple's product's. And I'd certainly consider the Intel GMA totally adequate for these notebooks.

If you really push the limits of your notebook's GPU for a living (3d design, "Core" effects etc.) or super-high resolutions via dual-link DVI is imperative to you, you should better buy a Pro-MacBook with its better screen anyway. On the other, the GPU is really sufficient for the occasional and/or hobbyist user. Also, keep in mind that a dedicated graphics solution uses more power and will reduce battery runtimes - which goes against a many user's needs.

I do, however, believe that there is a considerable number of (potential) casual gamers amongst consumers, who would profit from a dedicated GPU. It is beyond me why Apple doesn't really cater to this audience.
 
Well, if Apple really releases aluminium MacBooks with backlit keyboard, the only thing you might want in a not-coming 13" MBP would be graphics card. And the kind of work that really requires better graphics is usually better done on bigger screen. So there's some logic in it. Probably too few people need good graphics and small screen, so it's not worth offering yet another model, especially since it'd affect battery life, heat, thickness (or recently thinness)...
 
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