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Am I just stupid or is it everyone else?

I'll admit that I'm currently a bit ignorant about what else is out there, as I've been using iOS exclusively since 2008, but I think that if you asked the majority of informed consumers they would say that the biggest competitor currently on the market is that Samsung Galaxy S III. I haven't actually picked one up and used it, but I did spend some time on Samsung's website trying to give it a fair chance.

But really, after seeing both of these promo videos, which device would you choose? I know I'd stick with the next iPhone, not out of brand loyalty, but because it really seems like the better product to me.

SGS3:
http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxys3/media2.html

iPhone 5:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/#video
 
MH01 said:
I've seen my share of dropped Iphone 4, with their shattered screens... pros/cons.
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And that's true with all phones. They get dropped. I don't know if I am normal or not but it doesn't matter to me....I put the hardest core case I can find on it. I work in a pretty punishing place for electronics. I hunt, I fish, off road, hike, rain is a normal thing so is mud, rocks and trees. Glass back, plastic back, aluminum back....makes no difference to me. The second it comes out of the box it goes in a case and I never see it again or touch the front glass screen except when I remove the case to clean and inspect it.
 
Even if the 5S gets NFC... Fandroids will move from "lulz no NFC" to "we had it first... Apple still catching up" argument. It's never ending, pointless, and CHILDISH.
 
Copy/paste from another post I made, which fits here:

It seems we do. I use this definition of incremental:

"increasing gradually by regular degrees or additions"

It seems to me that the iPhone 5 is the iPhone 4S, but it has these improvements: -

- Thinner, redesigned body.
- Slightly (0.5") longer screen.
- Improved camera.
- Improved processor.
- Improved audio.
- LTE (improved network connection).
- The saturation of the screen has been changed.
- New cable connector (not sure if this is really an improvement, I suspect they only used it because it allows the iPhone to become thinner/smaller).

8 new features, which will certainly improve the existing iOS experience, but don't really bring anything new to the table. That is the very definition of incremental in my opinion.
 
phantomsd said:
Even if the 5S gets NFC... Fandroids will move from "lulz no NFC" to "we had it first... Apple still catching up" argument. It's never ending, pointless, and CHILDISH.
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And if it were the other way, Fanboys would do the same.

Childish? I can remember when the iPhone would send a text, but not a MMS. Back then people complained about that and Fanboys were like "Big deal, that's childish." But then the iPhone started doing it and the Fanboys were like WOOO HOOO Apple now says it's cool to send a picture and it was the greatest thing.

Remember back when having a LED flash was "Stupid and just a battery draining worthless addition. Apple is smarter than everyone else and that's why it's not there." Then it got it and WOOO HOOO it's the greatest thing on the planet.
 
MuddyPaws1 said:
And if it were the other way, Fanboys would do the same.

Childish? I can remember when the iPhone would send a text, but not a MMS. Back then people complained about that and Fanboys were like "Big deal, that's childish." But then the iPhone started doing it and the Fanboys were like WOOO HOOO Apple now says it's cool to send a picture and it was the greatest thing.

Remember back when having a LED flash was "Stupid and just a battery draining worthless addition. Apple is smarter than everyone else and that's why it's not there." Then it got it and WOOO HOOO it's the greatest thing on the planet.
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I bought the original iPhone a day or two after launch. I still feel slightly betrayed at some of the features it was missing. MMS is one of them. Every phone I'd owned in the last ten years supported MMS, even ones costing just £50.

When I posted about it on sites like this and the Apple forums, I was just told to "use email." When I explained that some of my contacts didn't have email, people told me about the workaround that can be used to send an email to a particular carrier's email address and have it forwarded as MMS, but O2 (the UK company who had exclusive rights to the iPhone at the time) did not have such a forwarding address. People always find excuses for features lacking in their favourite devices.
 
cinek said:
heard this from almost everyone at work last week

"Steve's gone now apple is heading down hill"
"Steve is turning in his grave"

lets face it, iphone 5 is not an innovation it's what 4s should have been only it's here a year later and it's way behind the competition feature wise
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Steve Jobs approved the design of the iPhone 5. It's in his biography.

I'm nerdier than most, but I look at this phone and I see a complete redesign. I can also see the similarities between the iPhone 4/s and the new iPhone 5. Then again, I can see the similarities between a Chevy Tahoe and a Cadallic Escalade.

Probably a poor example since the Tahoe and Escalade are actually that same vehicle. Lmao.

If you look at the actual design of this device, I don't see how you wouldnt be impressed. I thought the high resolution cameras choosing the correct pieces for an exact fit in the assembly line, was a pretty cool improvement. Then again, I work in an assembly type environment.

People want to dumb things down. They want it given to them in spoonful servings. They want to be blown away.

It's to the point that you're basically holding a screen. That's it. It's simple, intuitive, and reliable. I don't understand what more people want?

Everyone goes straight for near field communications. Yet, when i ask them about it, they don't really grasp what it is and are often surprised to find out that there really isn't an infrastructure built for that yet. There are also security concerns. I usually hear about how you can transfer pictures locally. Just tap the phones together. Yeah, that's neat, but I can also just text or email you a picture when ever I get the chance instead of waiting to meet up so we can hight five our phones.
 
Am I just stupid or is it everyone else?
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I ask this question daily and each time the answer is "everyone else."

Maybe tomorrow the answer will change. :D
 
iregret said:
Everyone goes straight for near field communications. Yet, when i ask them about it, they don't really grasp what it is and are often surprised to find out that there really isn't an infrastructure built for that yet. There are also security concerns. I usually hear about how you can transfer pictures locally. Just tap the phones together. Yeah, that's neat, but I can also just text or email you a picture when ever I get the chance instead of waiting to meet up so we can hight five our phones.
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Again, that opinion is based on YOUR limited experience. In my experience, NFC would be used daily at work and several times a week in my life. But not something that I would switch phones over.

And there is that "work around" that always comes up with the hard core. Why not make it easier instead? I can think of a lot of reasons just for pictures. Let's say you aren't where there is a cell connection but you want to give the pic to your friend right now. How about not everyone has unlimited texting? How about some people have plans where MMS takes off from data. How about I want the picture off my iPhone and onto my iPad to edit or view and delete it from the phone. Photostream is worthless. How about tapping the phones together is just faster and easier. I thought faster and easier is better. But in the Fanboy world, faster and easier is only better if it's faster and easier on iPhone. If anything else is faster and easier then it's stupid and pointless.

That's right up there with thinner and lighter. Thinner and lighter 6 months ago meant bad things. Now it means good things. 6 months ago the Fanboys were saying that other phones were too thin and light and that made them feel cheap. Now thin and lightest is awesome. :confused:

Personally I don't want thinner and lighter. I would have been happier with the same thickness and a bigger battery.

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jessica. said:
i ask this question daily and each time the answer is "everyone else."

maybe tomorrow the answer will change. :d
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lolz:d
 
iregret said:
Steve Jobs approved the design of the iPhone 5. It's in his biography.

I'm nerdier than most, but I look at this phone and I see a complete redesign. I can also see the similarities between the iPhone 4/s and the new iPhone 5. Then again, I can see the similarities between a Chevy Tahoe and a Cadallic Escalade.

Probably a poor example since the Tahoe and Escalade are actually that same vehicle. Lmao.

If you look at the actual design of this device, I don't see how you wouldnt be impressed. I thought the high resolution cameras choosing the correct pieces for an exact fit in the assembly line, was a pretty cool improvement. Then again, I work in an assembly type environment.

People want to dumb things down. They want it given to them in spoonful servings. They want to be blown away.

It's to the point that you're basically holding a screen. That's it. It's simple, intuitive, and reliable. I don't understand what more people want?

Everyone goes straight for near field communications. Yet, when i ask them about it, they don't really grasp what it is and are often surprised to find out that there really isn't an infrastructure built for that yet. There are also security concerns. I usually hear about how you can transfer pictures locally. Just tap the phones together. Yeah, that's neat, but I can also just text or email you a picture when ever I get the chance instead of waiting to meet up so we can hight five our phones.
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Android Beam has its uses like everything else. Maybe you're showing people pictures from a holiday and someone asks for a copy or something.

NFC can also be used to open doors (you can buy a deadbolt that can be controlled via nfc and wifi), create shortcuts to common tasks using nfc tags, etc.

On Android you can also allow guests access to your wifi network by scanning an nfc tag. "there's an app for that" :)
 
matttye said:
Copy/paste from another post I made, which fits here:

It seems we do. I use this definition of incremental:

"increasing gradually by regular degrees or additions"

It seems to me that the iPhone 5 is the iPhone 4S, but it has these improvements: -

- Thinner, redesigned body.
- Slightly (0.5") longer screen.
- Improved camera.
- Improved processor.
- Improved audio.
- LTE (improved network connection).
- The saturation of the screen has been changed.
- New cable connector (not sure if this is really an improvement, I suspect they only used it because it allows the iPhone to become thinner/smaller).

8 new features, which will certainly improve the existing iOS experience, but don't really bring anything new to the table. That is the very definition of incremental in my opinion.
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Could you give an example of a phone that hasn't been an incremental update compared to it's predecessor, and what makes it stand out? :)
 
Tadros86 said:
When the iPhone 5 was announced last week, I was blown away by the changes that Apple was offering. Yet I continually hear from fanboys of Samsung and Nokia that "it's the same phone" correct me if I am wrong, but how is it the same phone? Am I an idiot, or a fanboy, or are these guys just trying to rain on our parade?

http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/

This page does the phone no justice.

Faster processor, better graphics, bigger screen, integrated touch and projection on the same pane of glass, better battery life, 4G LTE, Turn by Turn navigation for free, better front facing camera with the ability to record in 720p, better overall camera performance (low light, stabilizer, higher f/s, faster capture times, panorama), better video and the ability to take photos while filming, stronger antennas, stronger Wifi, better audio system all around (clearer call quality, stronger speaker system, 3 microphones to greatly reduce background noise), new headphones, new connector that can output more digital signals, nano-sim card, and new, more durable, and lighter design

All that should be listed in the comparison chart. But whatever, I have mine on pre-order and am ecstatic to be upgrading from my iPhone 4. I just don't know what else, aside from NFC, anyone can ask for.
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Faster, better and bigger only matter if there are applications that take advantage of (Read: and exclusive to) the iPhone 5. Technical specs and numerical willy-waving are the realm of the fandroid, remember? Or is it because Apple are doing it make it somehow different?

Tell me how this phone is materially better (In real-world usage terms) than the iPhone 4 or 4S. That's the argument at hand. What's it's USP? LTE is the only thing that sets it apart from the 4S (And being able to take pictures whilst filming video if you're looking to make that truly asinine point). Speed is irrelevant until apps (useful ones) take advantage of it. Better battery life is nice, but for the average user they'll only notice a difference if it lasts two days rather than one. Without a USP, average Joe Consumer will take a look at being able to record in 720P on the front camera and realise that it's a novelty feature, or realise that their call quality on other phones was actually perfectly fine.

Until LTE becomes widespread, a 4S with iOS6 is just as good as a 5, sans bigger screen and a year until it's planned obsolescence.
 
I bought it.

I'm not really excited about it though. I'm hoping LTE makes it seem worthwhile, but everything else seemed blah.

I bought it more out of habit and feeling like it's 2 years and I need to get something than being truly exciting.
 
Wirelessly posted

Thank you for this thread.

To me, this looks like a substantially revised phone based on hardware specs and appearance.

The screen is a huge difference. I watch lots of shows on my phone. This will make a meaningful difference. I review lots of emails and read the news one-handed in portrait orientation. This will make a meaningful difference. In my case, I'm actually concerned that the phone will be too big affecting portability.

I really don't understand the approach taken by so many who are complaining. I've seen more than one poster write-off the larger screen as "basically the same" while simultaneously stating that it will have a big, negative impact on battery life.
 
Other than the A6 chip, screen, LTE, and design there really is no difference from the 4S. The good stuff is within iOS 6, which the 4s will be able to use all the features. If you need the features I mentioned above then you've purchased the perfect phone for you. For me personally I will enjoy the features of iOS 6 with my still in perfect condition 4S. Perhaps the iP5s will be available when I'm due for an upgrade.
 
I can understand why many are disappointed in the phone. I just happen to disagree. I think it looks amazing, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I do think Apple should've included things like nfc as long as it wasn't going to compromise anything else. But I understand their reason for neglecting it. I'm sure they would rather be able to roll out a list of stores(I.e target, Wal-Mart, best buy etc.) that can take advantage of it before they advertise the feature.
 
iregret said:
Steve Jobs approved the design of the iPhone 5. It's in his biography.

I'm nerdier than most, but I look at this phone and I see a complete redesign. I can also see the similarities between the iPhone 4/s and the new iPhone 5. Then again, I can see the similarities between a Chevy Tahoe and a Cadallic Escalade.

Probably a poor example since the Tahoe and Escalade are actually that same vehicle. Lmao.

If you look at the actual design of this device, I don't see how you wouldnt be impressed. I thought the high resolution cameras choosing the correct pieces for an exact fit in the assembly line, was a pretty cool improvement. Then again, I work in an assembly type environment.

People want to dumb things down. They want it given to them in spoonful servings. They want to be blown away.

It's to the point that you're basically holding a screen. That's it. It's simple, intuitive, and reliable. I don't understand what more people want?

Everyone goes straight for near field communications. Yet, when i ask them about it, they don't really grasp what it is and are often surprised to find out that there really isn't an infrastructure built for that yet. There are also security concerns. I usually hear about how you can transfer pictures locally. Just tap the phones together. Yeah, that's neat, but I can also just text or email you a picture when ever I get the chance instead of waiting to meet up so we can hight five our phones.
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honestly the only interesting thing about the phone is how they put it together. I'm not saying it's a bad phone but I and many others have expected a LOT more innovation from apple. They didn't really change the design. They made it longer. Still looks like the 4 and 4s but stretched.

I just can't justify spending another £530 on a stretched out phone as I'll be able to do everything the 5 can do with my 4s. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't wait for the iPhone 5 to come out I was planning on pre-ordering it but that all changed after the announcement

also - take a look here: http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/15/samsu...c-MacAllDay+(9+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence)

I agree with this 100% although the s3 feels so plasticky
 
Moshe1010 said:
Galaxy 2 HD LTE VS. Galaxy 3 had less upgradable features than iPhone 4S --> 5:
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4238&idPhone2=4198

So Android fanboys can go and cry somewhere else. I think that if somebody has iPhone 4S, upgrading to iPhone 5 would be a waste of money.
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Galaxy S2 HD LTE (who the hell had that anyway? Certainly wasn't available in my country) -> Galaxy S3

1. Dual core -> quad core.
2. Bluetooth 3.0 -> 4.0.
3. No NFC -> NFC.
4. Adreno 220 -> Mali-400MP (vastly improved GPU).
5. GPS -> GPS + GLONASS (makes a difference)
6. No FM radio -> FM Radio
7. 4.65" screen -> 4.8" screen
8. MicroSDHC support -> MicroSDHC + MicroSDXC support.
9. No barometer -> barometer.
10. SIM -> MicroSIM.
11. 1850mAh battery -> 2100mAh battery.

Seems like it had more changes to me. When you compare the bog standard S2 that most people would've had to the S3, the differences are even greater.

Plus a lot of the pros of the S3 (for me at least) were software based.
 
matttye said:
Galaxy S2 HD LTE (who the hell had that anyway? Certainly wasn't available in my country) -> Galaxy S3

1. Dual core -> quad core. (You don't know what Apple has yet.)
2. Bluetooth 3.0 -> 4.0. (Nobody cares about this today. Most people use BT for the earpiece, which wouldn't matter b/w 3.0 or 4.0)
3. No NFC -> NFC. (not supported yet in most of the places)
4. Adreno 220 -> Mali-400MP (vastly improved GPU) - Apple did it too.
5. GPS -> GPS + GLONASS (makes a difference)
6. No FM radio -> FM Radio (Useless)
7. 4.65" screen -> 4.8" screen (9.6% difference vs. Apple's 12.5%)
8. MicroSDHC support -> MicroSDHC + MicroSDXC support (how lovely, let's put more crap in our phones. Why do you need more than 64GB in your phone?)
9. No barometer -> barometer. (are you kidding?)
10. SIM -> MicroSIM. (Micro Sim --> Nano-Sim - which is pure crap anyway)
11. 1850mAh battery -> 2100mAh battery. (mAh plays **** in battery life. More efficient hardware + better OS configuration, would make much more difference)

Seems like it had more changes to me. When you compare the bog standard S2 that most people would've had to the S3, the differences are even greater.

Plus a lot of the pros of the S3 (for me at least) were software based.
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Apple's iOS6 has more improvements that doesn't cost you anything compared to S3 software improvements. I'm not trying to defend iPhone 5, I just don't get it why people trying to prove that Apple is such crappy company that made not improvements to their new iPhone compared to other companies that had the same amount of improvements or maybe even less.
 
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