Am I the only iPhone owner slightly miffed about the new iPod touch...?

[mrgreen4242]

Why spend so much for the Touch when you get a phone for $199! Just don't get it.

People need to stop buying into the Apple/ATT marketing and THINK a little. Not only is the iPhone not $199 (it REQUIRES an $1800 contract on top of the purchase price) but THEY INCREASED THE MINIMUM MONTHLY AMOUNT WHEN THE 3G WAS ANNOUNCE. They dropped the price $100 up front, but added $240 to the overall minimum contract payment, not to mention dropping the included texting, so it was more like a $360 increase in price.

I mean, it's cool and all, and I'm sure it's going to sell like hotcakes, but it just seems like Apple is giving people to many reasons not to buy the iPhone.

External volume controls? Check. Speaker? Check. Mic headset for WiFi calls (from App Store)? Check.

I understand that I am naturally biased, being an iPhone owner since before the original touch came out, but it just seems that all those things that made the iPhone, well... the iPhone, are pretty much gone now. Especially the Mic headset. Why, may I ask, is that necessary for an iPod? And why is the iPod getting a better version than the iPhone?!? I want those 79$ in-ear headphones too!

And I know that the mic will still work, but the triple click to go back probably won't, and the volume controls probably won't, and that kind of pisses me off. The iPod touch has external volume controls now. It doesn't need the volume controls on the headphones any more than the iPhone does.

To be honest, I felt that Apple was moving towards convergent devices (iPhone) instead of stand alone ones. I knew that the iPods would be around for several more years, but I really thought that they would start phasing them out, but apparently they feel it necessary to give them even better features than the more expensive (without subsidy) iPhone.

Now I realize that I'm probably being all high and mighty about this, and maybe stuck-up, but I feel that I have at least some reason to be. I can't be alone on this.

iPhone users, chime in!

I really don't think I;d be complaining if they hadn't made new earbuds with mics built in that aren't listed to work with the iPhone.

It just seems.... pointless and almost insulting to iPhone owners. Why do you need a mic!?! The new earbuds already got volume controls, why a mic when all you can do is voice recording?

But, as it turns out, that's not all you can do. Soon there will be apps available that do VOIP calling over WiFi, and that, in my opinion, is seriously encroaching upon the iPhones space.

I say again.... why a mic?!?! And why can't they work with the iPhone!?!

This is silly. VoIP with wifi is in no way remotely close to cell phone service. It's not even close to comparable. It's a silly thing to even suggest. Ya, it's nice at home, maybe at work, and possibly on vacation in a hotel. But that's it. It doesn't replace cell service in any way. It MIGHT replace your landline service, if your ISP doesn't "shape" your traffic and fark up your VoIP (Comcast, for one, does this).

The touch still lacks the most important (non-phone/wireless data) features of the iPhone: GPS, camera, BT (even thought the iPhone BT is gimped). The new touch is still a pretty basic device compared to the iPhone.

Besides which even if Apple added a speaker, volume buttons, BT, GPS, and a camera, SO WHAT? You already have all those things, plus a phone. Why would you care if someone else got them now too? It doesn't make sense.

I have this terrible feeling in my gut that people like this are why the MacBook has an x3100 and a Combo drive as the base option still. Blah.

 

[tangledweb16]

People need to stop buying into the Apple/ATT marketing and THINK a little. Not only is the iPhone not $199 (it REQUIRES an $1800 contract on top of the purchase price) but THEY INCREASED THE MINIMUM MONTHLY AMOUNT WHEN THE 3G WAS ANNOUNCE. They dropped the price $100 up front, but added $240 to the overall minimum contract payment, not to mention dropping the included texting, so it was more like a $360 increase in price.





This is silly. VoIP with wifi is in no way remotely close to cell phone service. It's not even close to comparable. It's a silly thing to even suggest. Ya, it's nice at home, maybe at work, and possibly on vacation in a hotel. But that's it. It doesn't replace cell service in any way. It MIGHT replace your landline service, if your ISP doesn't "shape" your traffic and fark up your VoIP (Comcast, for one, does this).

The touch still lacks the most important (non-phone/wireless data) features of the iPhone: GPS, camera, BT (even thought the iPhone BT is gimped). The new touch is still a pretty basic device compared to the iPhone.

Besides which even if Apple added a speaker, volume buttons, BT, GPS, and a camera, SO WHAT? You already have all those things, plus a phone. Why would you care if someone else got them now too? It doesn't make sense.

I have this terrible feeling in my gut that people like this are why the MacBook has an x3100 and a Combo drive as the base option still. Blah.

Honestly... you make a good point.

Thanks for shaking some sense in to me man (woman?).

I guess sometimes one just needs a good slap in the face.

 

[svndmvn]

i own an iPhone 3G and a Nano,but seeing today's revisitations and how so many people on Macrumors own both an iPhone and an iPod Touch I say all Apple is trying to do is make people buy both products and why not,make people that already own an iPod touch sell it/give it to someone and buy a new one.
I guess MBP owners could be angry about Apple offering MBs with processors almost as strong that are even slimmer,smaller etc

 

[Small White Car]

Oh no! I own a Mac Pro and then I noticed that, like, iMacs do computer-y type stuff too!

What were you thinking, Apple! I am seriously miffed!

 

[Chandler Adaway]

unlock it, and then adjust volume, so the ability to simply reach in my pocket and press a button simply makes sense.

Well, all you have to do is double tap the home button. The external controls really aren't THAT big of a deal. Most people just don't know about the double tap feature I guess.

 

[dominordelingua]

I mean, it's cool and all, and I'm sure it's going to sell like hotcakes, but it just seems like Apple is giving people to many reasons not to buy the iPhone.

External volume controls? Check. Speaker? Check. Mic headset for WiFi calls (from App Store)? Check.

I understand that I am naturally biased, being an iPhone owner since before the original touch came out, but it just seems that all those things that made the iPhone, well... the iPhone, are pretty much gone now. Especially the Mic headset. Why, may I ask, is that necessary for an iPod? And why is the iPod getting a better version than the iPhone?!? I want those 79$ in-ear headphones too!

To be honest, I felt that Apple was moving towards convergent devices (iPhone) instead of stand alone ones. I knew that the iPods would be around for several more years, but I really thought that they would start phasing them out, but apparently they feel it necessary to give them even better features than the more expensive (without subsidy) iPhone.

Now I realize that I'm probably being all high and mighty about this, and maybe stuck-up, but I feel that I have at least some reason to be. I can't be alone on this.

Awww! Does someone not feel special anymore?? The fact is, technology is going to move forward whether you like it or not, and what you own will at some point be surpassed by something else. Who's to say that the new 2.1 software won't support it? or that in a short while Apple will throw something in iPod touch users can't have. Trust me, you'll feel a whole lot better if you just become happier with what you have, rather than worry that your not on top technologically.

 

[mcdj]

...why is the iPod getting a better version than the iPhone?!? I want those 79$ in-ear headphones too!

I'm hoping the incompatibility is a typo, otherwise Apple has cut out about 5 million 3G owners as potential buyers of these headphones. At some point, their sanity WILL become suspect.

 

[tangledweb16]

Awww! Does someone not feel special anymore?? The fact is, technology is going to move forward whether you like it or not, and what you own will at some point be surpassed by something else. Who's to say that the new 2.1 software won't support it? or that in a short while Apple will throw something in iPod touch users can't have. Trust me, you'll feel a whole lot better if you just become happier with what you have, rather than worry that your not on top technologically.

Well, seeing as the iPhone 3G is less than two months old, it seems a little ridiculous.

And it's a hardware compatibility issue, not a software one. If it was so, they would state "iPhone 3G" under the supported product list, as both the 29$ and 79$ headphones come out October.

And I refuse to believe that Apple did not have this planned when they were releasing the iPhone 3G. I'm still angry about the non-compatibility of these new headphones, as well I should be. There is no good reason for this, and it actually makes more sense to use them with an iPhone than an iPod. I don't think you can deny that fact.

 

[Alfie]

The only thing that's getting me slightly PO'd is the fact that Apple released 2.1 for the Touch before the iPhone. I'm not sure if there is any main reason behind this (maybe they are still working out a few bugs), but I would be incredibly pissed if it was working fine for iPhone, yet they just decided to wait to release it.

I'm guessing that Apple learned their lesson this summer when they released everything on the same day (iPhone 2.0, iPod 2.0, App Store, Mobile Me, etc.) and blew up their system.

Today, they've already had iTunes, Quicktime, Front Row and the iPod 2.1 update. They're probably trying to get all that stuff out of the way in the next two days before the rush of iPhone users hits on Friday.

 

[Linuss]

Why does it matter to you whether or not more people buy the iPhone?


Seriously?

Apple wants more people to buy iTouch's? Great! Let them. Doesn't hurt me in any way, shape, or form whatsoever.

 

[eplchamps0304]

Why spend so much for the Touch when you get a phone for $199! Just don't get it.

Because not everybody needs an iphone
not everybody wants at&t
because not everybody wants to pay $30 a month on data
because some already have cell phones
because some dont want cell phones.....etc
whats hard to understand

 

[Chandler Adaway]

Because not everybody needs an iphone
not everybody wants at&t
because not everybody wants to pay $30 a month on data
because some already have cell phones
because some dont want cell phones.....etc
whats hard to understand

Some parents won't LET them switch to AT&T.

 

[Reiger]

I decided to register to post my thoughts on this (I've been lurking for a while, but never got around to registering).

I really don't care too much about the features the Touch is getting. If it helps Apple sell more, that's fine. The only thing that's getting me slightly PO'd is the fact that Apple released 2.1 for the Touch before the iPhone. I'm not sure if there is any main reason behind this (maybe they are still working out a few bugs), but I would be incredibly pissed if it was working fine for iPhone, yet they just decided to wait to release it.

Me too. But let's just assume they are still working on the baseband upgrade, or something like that. Still I'm having my share of softwareproblems and I would really like to have the update to a more stable version.

Furthermore I'm quite dissappointed that they didn't release Nike+ for iPhone (which should work, wonderfull with a seperate bluetooth receiver or something like that).

I almost forgot about the headphones, but I really expect them to work, since there is no hardware reason why they wouldn't work with the existing iPhone and iPhone 3G hardware. The number of connectors is the same as the current iPhone headset.

 

[cualexander]

I don't get it!?!? You are afraid that you won't be as cool anymore with your iphone? Are you really that insecure? What is this thread complaining about.

ZOMG, Apple is upgrading its products! Oh no!

The ipod touch is NOT the iphone. How many times have you been in the middle of nowhere and gotten a WIFI signal.. thats what I thought.

The iphone always has internet everywhere you can get a signal. A BIG difference. Honestly, people whine way too much on this board lately.

 

[number9]

Actually, as I stated in my original post, the touch CAN make phone calls, and will here very soon. And with the mic headset, it makes it very, very easy to do so. No physical hacking/bulky add ons.

Apple itself stated that they would allow VOIP calling over WiFi through the App Store for the iPod touch.

And thanks for being a prick.

Most average users aren't going to use the touch for VOIP. I can't reiterate it enough in here...so many of us seem to think that the general public, to whom 75% of the Apple products sold go to, don't even know that the Touch is capable of it. Not everyone is a geek like the crowd here. Besides, the iPhone can make VOIP calls too, so there is no advantage for the Touch over the iPhone. Plus, you need a WiFi connection to make the calls, and those are hardly consistent. Free WiFi coverage is still very very very far from widespread, so the amount of places that you can consistently make VOIP calls is still very limited in the US. The iPhone, on the other hand, can make phone calls nearly anywhere, as cellular coverage is much more widespread than wifi. So the iPhone still has the upper hand because it has more than one option for making calls. Apple is always going to make the touch as close to the iPhone in main features because, as many have pointed out, there may not be good AT&T coverage where they live or they may not want to pay for data, or they already have a perfectly good cell phone and just want a new iPod they can access the internet from occasionally. iPhone users have no reason to be "miffed" about the new Touch.

 

[alFR]

External volume controls? Check. Speaker? Check. Mic headset for WiFi calls (from App Store)? Check.

Actual ability to make phone calls whereever you are, not just when you're at a wifi hotspot.... Oh, hang on, it can't do that.

Especially the Mic headset. Why, may I ask, is that necessary for an iPod? And why is the iPod getting a better version than the iPhone?!? I want those 79$ in-ear headphones too!

And I know that the mic will still work, but the triple click to go back probably won't, and the volume controls probably won't, and that kind of pisses me off.

It may be that the headphones won't work with 2.0.2 but will work with 2.1, so that's why they aren't listed as iPhone compatible: we'll just have to wait and see. From the look of them they seem to have the same set of connectors on the jack as the iPhone, so it should be possible to enable the volume control etc. with a firmware update.

I owned the first gen. touch, and the limitations of WiFi really got to me after owning an iPhone.

Hang on, weren't you positioning the touch's ability to make calls over WiFi as a competitor to the iPhone's calling over cellular? Where were the "limitations of wifi" then?

I say again.... why a mic?!?! And why can't they work with the iPhone!?!

See above.

Soon enough that will change.

I think not, unless city-wide WiFi becomes ubiquitous. See you in about 10 years....

This is silly. VoIP with wifi is in no way remotely close to cell phone service. It's not even close to comparable. It's a silly thing to even suggest. Ya, it's nice at home, maybe at work, and possibly on vacation in a hotel. But that's it. It doesn't replace cell service in any way. It MIGHT replace your landline service, if your ISP doesn't "shape" your traffic and fark up your VoIP (Comcast, for one, does this).

Exactly.

 

[TheAnswer]

I can't seen anyone except college students whose campuses are covered in WiFi and nerds who won't leave their parents basement until age 35 using a WiFi VOIP enabled iPod Touch instead of an iPhone.

 

[littlewaywelt]

What is wrong with the features that the iPod touch is getting?

No moron is going to pick an iPod touch when he has the ability to get an iPhone.

That's simply not true. There are a ton of people out there using phones that have more functionality, like a WM6 Treo 800w and people that are tied to a certain phone due to contact or as a business function. If they live by their corporate blackberries or other and can't switch or don't want to switch, an iPod Touch makes a lot of sense. Additionally some are not willing to forgo Verizon's superior service coverage for AT&T's subpar coverage.

 

[26139]

wait...

You're pissed because another product was improved, although that in no way affects the product you currently have?

Seriously, find something else to do.

 

[Sweetbike40]

I don't get it!?!? You are afraid that you won't be as cool anymore with your iphone? Are you really that insecure? What is this thread complaining about.

ZOMG, Apple is upgrading its products! Oh no!

The ipod touch is NOT the iphone. How many times have you been in the middle of nowhere and gotten a WIFI signal.. thats what I thought.

The iphone always has internet everywhere you can get a signal. A BIG difference. Honestly, people whine way too much on this board lately.

Also with the iPhone, you need to carry only once device. I had the Touch and regular phone combo and it was a pain to take both. I feel the data plan is worth every penny too to have service nearly everywhere i go.

 

[BergerFan]

Whether people purchase an iPhone or an iPod Touch, it's all the same money going to Apple.

 

[maxrobertson]

The iPhone is a phone. That's the extra that you get. They shouldn't artificially limit what the iPod touch can do just so you can feel superior, especially when the iPhone is now cheaper than the iPod touch.

 

[elistan]

but apparently they feel it necessary to give them even better features than the more expensive (without subsidy) iPhone.

Wait - what features does the iPod Touch have that are better than the iPhone?

 

[milani]

Wait - what features does the iPod Touch have that are better than the iPhone?

The new headphones, the Nike application.

I think a lot of people are upset about the iPod touch is because it's not an iPod anymore. An iPod used to be a music player, but it's become a computer now - the only limitation being it doesn't connect to a cellular network. The iPhone, prior to the touch, was unique for being an all-in-one device, in fact THE all-in-one device.

Now that the touch does exactly the same thing (in fact more things), a lot of iPhone users (who by the way bought their phones less than 3 months ago), are probably a little irritated that you can get next to the same branded as an iPod. That doesn't mean the phone is any less useful or special, but I think it would irritate some.

Personally I don't care all that much because I bought my phone primarily for a phone, but even my less technologically inclined friend pointed out that the iPod touch is almost exactly like the iPhone - it even looks like an iPhone. Maybe Apple could have mixed it up a bit.

 

[goosnarrggh]

The new headphones, the Nike application.

I think a lot of people are upset about the iPod touch is because it's not an iPod anymore.

If they're miffed about that now, then they ought to have been miffed about it back when the iPod Touch was first released. It was obviously more than just an iPod even way back then.

Ever since the iPod Touch's JSU in January of this year, the distinction between iPod Touch and iPhone has been extremely tenuous at best - it was basically just the cellular connectivity, the level of convenience for skipping songs and adjusting volume, and the ability to obtain audio input (without jailbreaking) that separated them.

Why are people getting upset now about the new headphones? I was under the impression that the only new thing they bring to the table compared with what iPhone users already had is another way to adjust volume and the ability to skip backwards. It seems extremely petty to get upset about something that minor; especially since it'll almost certainly be rolled into the iPhone on the next product refresh. Technology evolves; get over it.

Personally speaking as somebody whose next Apple purchase is most likely to be a 2nd generation iPod Touch, I'll be miffed by the fact that Apple is not giving me the option to choose not to pay for the integrated cost of the Nike+ hardware as I buy the iPod Touch I was looking for.