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I think what you say may be true of iPad 1 owners, but this article suggests a large percentage of those buying the iPad 2 are new iPad owners. Majority of those people don't care, or know about the specs. There is a huge untapped market right now with the moms, grandmas and even kids using the cameras and games. It's not the MacRumors nerd crowd apple is going for here, it's the Nintendo Wii crowd IMO (at least that is the crowd that is going to drive significant market growth of the iPad.)

Yes I agree. I was just refuting kdarling's claim that the "hold outs" who were waiting for version 2 were the ones driving the demand. Surely the largest driver is not even iPad 1 owners, but rather the masses of people who saw their friend or relative's iPad that they got for Christmas and thought it was really cool. The market expansion on this is huge.

If this was only about tech heads on this site then the iPad launch would look much more like the Motorola Xoom launch. Xoom has a huge following among Android tech heads, but does not appear to be appealing to the general public or the "Wii crowd" as you put it.

The tablet market is just starting and Apple has not only defined it, but managed to get what looks like is going to be a two-year head start on their competitors for market share.

I still want to know how many Galaxy Tabs really sold last year. For such small/smooth sales, I have yet to see anybody carrying one around or hear anybody rave about it to me. I think the Xoom will fare better, but its hard to imagine the average person deciding to buy a Xoom over an iPad unless the sales person talks them into it or they just assume that there is not a difference. The Xoom appeals to Android fans in a big way, but when your non-tech-head friend or relative sees your Xoom the first thing they will say "how do you like your iPad?". The name "iPad" is used more often to describe media tablets than the word "tablet". Much like we ask somebody for a "Q-Tip" instead of a "Cotton Swab" or a "Kleenex" instead of "Facial Tissue".

I'm sure we can compare specs per line item on Xoom and iPad and find things that one does better or the other does better. The #1 metric either Apple or Motorola are going to be concerned with is market share because it will dictate their ability to make profits in this tablet-computing market. Right now, the folks in Cupertino must be smiling because the iPad is marketing itself through word of mouth and ubiquity.
 
If I want to read, I already have a (cheaper and better) reading device.

Again, whatever.

Better for you perhaps, but that certainly doesn't make it better. There is not a single Kindle book I can't read, as the publisher intended, on my iPad. However, there are countless things I cannot read or view on a Kindle that I CAN on iPad. From every magazine offered in full living color by Zino, every downloadable digital Magazine, like Scientific American, that can be downloaded from the publisher, but not Zino, and read on my iPad. Periodicals such as the Wall Street Journal, USA today, NY Times, and The Daily, which include interactive full-color images, 360 degree images (such as coverage of the Japan disaster) and video.

Sorry, as a reader, the Kindle doesn't even come close. As a 16 shades of gray-scale, monochromatic reader, yeah, it's hard to beat a Kindle, ha, ha.

Funny, how you are so specific about things the iPad can't do or do any better than a device such as a laptop, but when it comes to Reading, you don't acknowledge the considerable shortcomings and long list of things the Kindle can't read, but the iPad (and Xoom plus others) can.

I can't help but think you simply like to troll on this site and I regret even responding and rewarding your heavily biased and fact-deprived drivel.
 
Why is it selling like hotcakes?

..because it fits the needs of so many people. iPad 1 or 2, it doesn’t matter. The geeks queued up for v1 in droves, who turned on the general public to it, who then gobbled it up, and v2 just adds to the fan fare.

I’m buying one for my mom. She’s been begging for an iPod Touch, although she complains that the screen and virtual keyboard are too small. I’m convinced that it will meet 100% of her computing needs, which to date has been email, web browsing, and game play of the cards variety. Not only that, she’ll now no longer need to be in her dark and cold den where her decrepit PC sits. She’ll be able to use it anywhere in her house, FaceTime with her grandkids, listen to music in a dock upstairs, and when she gets a picture of all of the apps available, she’ll use it for things she never used her PC for. It will actually meet 200% of her computing needs.

This “iToy” is designed exactly for her demographic, as well as many more.
 
Good for Apple. I want one really bad but I need to sort of save some money for the time being for tuition and whatnot but I think I'm DEFINITELY getting the iPad 3.
 
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And if you research about the impact in population like that (population with ZERO probability of be a "iSheep") you can see clearly how truly good the thing is.

I completely agree, which is why my remarks are highlighted at most consumers.

There are some very specific applications of the iPad that are quite spectacular, but that doesn't mean that everyone standing in line on Friday is going to use it that way. It also doesn't mean that the iPad is any better as a consumer device because it has certain uses in highly specialized areas. That only applies if the consumer is similarly benefited.

A tablet has made it so I don't need to travel with a laptop anymore for business or pleasure. It is wonderful as i no longer need to take it out at security and is thinner/weighs less making packing easier. It accomplishes everything I would use a laptop for while on vacation/business. Not only that I can control my computer with it remotely and access all my files.

If you don't mind me asking, what type of business are you able to do on it? By which I mean, do you transfer money, look into orders and accounts, etc, or do you do lots of writing or other analysis on it?

That doesn't explain all the big businesses (large banks, etc.) buying them, including many Fortune 100 companies.

AFAIK, tablets were already in use in a lot of those companies in some very particular ways. I don't reject the iPad as capable of doing certain tailored tasks well, I question what it can do for the typical consumer. A Fortune 100 company that uses iPads to augment an inventory system does not fit the bill of a typical consumer.

And why is this bad?

Generally speaking one wants the product that can do the best job, not the most mediocre job.
Any computer can be accused of the same thing. A custom built application-specific system would be much faster at performing any task that a computer can do, but one of the great advantages of a computer is that a single system can do so many things (games, word processing, taxes, web, etc.). Any custom system will be orders of magnitude faster, lower power, and smaller than a general purpose computer, BUT you have to buy a whole lot of custom systems to cover all the applications that a computer can perform.

Does an iPad have to be the world's fastest web browser to be useful? World's fastest game playing machine? World's fastest video player?

Indeed, but not only is the iPad slower (as you imply) it also has less desirable input methods for some tasks, and can only do tasks one at a time.

It's also questionable how "good" (I hate using that term but I couldn't think of another one) something is when it is a purely additional product. A computer is also a jack of all trades as you mention, but it does a lot more things than an iPad, and it does them very well in many areas. This makes it a necessity for almost everyone.

Conversely, an iPad does less and does it, at best, as well as a product people must have in the house already to even use the iPad.

You get hung up on the wrong points, such as "enumerate specific uses no other product can do or that the iPad can do better" (not a direct quote) For one, if you don't already see things the iPad can do better, and ways that businesses are using it for everything from inventory, menus, and hospital functions, then you are just choosing to troll, or you lack imagination. Try dropping a laptop off at a table for people to browse your menu, and see the result.

This is once again a business application, not a consumer one. Nor is it unique to the iPad. The idea of dropping a tablet off at a table started long before the iPad.

Unless individual consumers are running restaurants or hospitals, the uses you mentioned above don't constitute a use for a typical consumer who stood in line for hours on Friday.

A product like this is better suited for people with imagination and a willingness to step away from the conventional . . . clearly not a product for you.

I am quite the unconventional person in most respects, and I have a special fondness for gadgets (especially Apple gadgets), but I don't think the iPad is all that fantastic as a consumer device.

Maybe you could use some of that "imagination" to describe some specific business uses. As I asked the other poster, do you manage accounts, schedules, etc, or do you do analysis and writing/drafting on your iPad? How do you interface with it for tasks that take a long time?

I hope you have the imagination to rise above petty name calling.

Possibly, but they wouldn't be particularly notable examples and I think they miss the point. The better question is, does the iPad make people want to use the device for something that they wouldn't have done before? It's the difference between "technically could have" and "actively want to". I resented carrying a cellphone for years, it was clunky, it was shoddy, the phone company was constantly trying to upsell me on photos and videos and data that were just obnoxious to use, if it even worked at all.

The iPhone 3G changed that for me completely, I now actively notice when I forget to take it with me. Did phones before that have cameras? Did they have GPS? Did they have games? Could I check my email? Of course they did. But the technical capability provided no value because it was painful and frustrating to use, and so I had no reason to want to use it.

The iPod also did not provide anything that was not already on the market. But I think we should have enough historical perspective this point to realize Apple did do *something* different more broadly than just technical specs to get Joe Consumer to want to have a portable disk-based MP3 player that simply didn't exist before the iPod. I would argue it's Apple's attention to usability, detail, and style. Apple detractors would say it's all about marketing and media manipulation creating artificial desire. They're probably both accurate.

To that end sometimes it's actually that Apple goes to market with fewer features that makes the device more attractive -- in that it makes the device more approachable, more stable, and more cohesive than its competitors.


As a very technical person who programs for a living and has 3 VMs running on their desktop at home, statements like these always surprise me. I had the choice between buying a laptop this year or an iPad, the budget I set for myself wouldn't allow me both. I chose the iPad 2 over a Macbook/Macbook Air. I readily acknowledge the laptop would afford me more options, not the least of which would be software development.

I did it because for what I would use the device for, mostly daily commuting, long distance trips, something I can use to take and refer to notes, etc, both of them easily do. The things I can't use a tablet for that I can use the laptop for, I didn't need the device for: programming for example. If I'm going to program, I will likely be at my home desk or work desk.

All things being equal the laptop would still win, but things aren't equal. The extra flexibility, which I don't need, comes at a cost. Battery life is halved, or less. Laptops are heavier and run hotter. The iPad that suits my needs is cheaper than the Macbook that suits my needs. The iPad is more convenient to handle in the situations I'm more likely to need it, like in a cramped commuter train.

And most importantly, when I'm not programming or writing long documents, I just don't want to not be sitting at my desk with a keyboard or hunched over a coffee table. I'm already find myself instinctively reaching for my iPhone for entertainment / consumption even though the screen is (relative to the computer) tiny. Similarly, I have successfully done charcoal-style drawings and other sketches on my desktop and (old) laptop, but it's not just all that gratifying to do. When I see people doing the same thing in the iPad I seriously get excited, removing the gap between my hands and the canvas is incredibly appealing.

There is a literal truth that you do not need the iPad to do anything in particular, but I think there's a gap between that and it being just a toy. I didn't pay an extra $500-$900 for an unnecessary toy, I actually have bought it in preference of and to the exclusion of the more expensive, more powerful, but less relevant to my uses laptop.

Thank you for this very insightful and productive post. :)

From my perspective, as a person who has to type a lot in a typical day and needs the iPad to do a smidge more things before it can become viable, the lacks of features seems like a prohibitive factor. It would probably still be a waste of money for me to get one even if it could do the things I'd like (a big one would be editing documents with a stylus as if you were writing on paper), it would just be easier to justify personally. :p

I disagree. For better than 90% of users, it does all they ever need to do on a computer. I think we will go from multi-PC families to families with one PC and multiple iPads or other tablets.

For me, I find many things that I prefer to use my iPad over my MacBook. Paying bills is easier and quicker through the Chase app than through their web site.

I've never been a gamer but use my iPad for several.

My DVR's interface was created by deaf and mute monkeys. Programming my DVR is easier and faster using Cablevision's app. That functionality doesn't exist on a PC.

Reading the news in the morning is far more enjoyable with iPad app than through web sites.

Those are but a few areas where I find an iPad to be better than a PC.

A lot of this I think is spot on, but I guess as someone who already has a Kindle and who doesn't have a DVR + works on a computer for a lot of hours in a typical day, the iPad always seemed like an extra thing that didn't add anything.

I can definitely see the iPad being a 2nd or 3rd PC replacement for a lot of people, especially for families with kids and grandparents around, but I wonder how many of those people are actually owners right now? Of all of the people I know who could actually make use of an iPad, none of them has one. In fact, everyone I do know with one is someone who already has a pretty good Mac and an iPhone.

Great 400-year old phrase to prop up your ignorance. What's "Jack" about any part of the iPad 2?

The phrase simply means that someone/something can do many things mediocrely but nothing well.

No one thing about the iPad has to be "bad" for it to be a jack of all trades; the only requirement is that nothing has to be particularly fantastic.

If you would like to learn more about this and other idioms and aphorisms, visit your local library or use a reference resource such as Wikipedia.

What tablet do you own? It sounds like you have serious buyers remorse and are simply jealous.

I don't own a tablet, and my collection of Apple iToys would pretty much preclude the possibility of anything else.

Why should we step up to YOU? Who are YOU?

If you want to go on touting the inherent brilliance of the iPad, explaining what specifically makes it so fantastic shouldn't be a tall order for you.

I am the skeptic, and I've given my reasoning; I'll wait for yours to be free of mindless insults and blind fanaticism.


You obviously do not own an iPad and most assuredly have not used one for more than a few minutes in a Best Buy or Apple store. If you actually had one, you'd get it.

I've played with iPads several times for very long periods of time (on the order of hours at a time). I even helped a family set theirs up after they botched the original sync. Just because I don't hold some irrational reverence for it doesn't mean I haven't had the chance to objectively consider it.


Your cost comparison FAILS.

The cost comparison is accurate based on the features as listed by Apple. The intangible factors may be different, but from a pure feature set perspective, the $700 iPad can be compared to the entry level mba.

And it's not $930 -- it's $829. Why you tacked on an extra $101, is beyond me.
Simple mistake on my part. I had the pricing table wrong in my head. Anytime I wrote $930, it should read $830.
What you need to do is head over to iTunes and download the iPad introduction keynote from Apple. Steve said very plainly that the device between a cell phone and a laptop needed to do 7 key everyday things BETTER than a phone or laptop or it had no reason for being: internet, ebooks, photos, music, email, video and games — I believe the iPad and now iPad 2 fills the bill. In fact, it does all of that and SO MUCH MORE. Apple never said it was trying to REPLACE anything and is quite happy to sell someone all three — They work so nicely together — ebooks instantly come to mind between Pad and Phone with round-tripping of your place, bookmarks and highlights all transferring to keep you right where you left off, now matter the device you grab and took with you that day.

I think what you're missing is that I've already seen every Keynote, every video of Johnny Ive going over the design, etc. I've already spent considerable time playing with the iPad. At this point, Apple's marketing isn't going to convince me like it has evidently convinced you.

You're just too biased against Apple as a whole to see the simple fact that the iPad is superior to it's competition. But we'll all see a little clearer in another few years when iPad is still reigning supreme.

How do you define "reigning supreme?" Sales rank? Market share?

In any case, I hardly have a negative Apple bias or I wouldn't have so many Apple products. You seem to take any criticism of the iPad personally and expand it to the company as a whole. No product and no company is infallible.

Oh I forgot — it's just a "jack of all trades and a master of none" too. iPods, iPhones, iPads... when will people learn they've simply been wasting their money? I guess they're too busy using them in a billion different ways to be concerned about those like you.

Please, try to understand a cliche before railing against it.

The iPod is actually a master of one thing: playing music. The iPhone is not a jack of all trades because it added already existing features to a phone, a device that everyone already had in their pocket. The iPad represents an entirely additional product. The metrics are different.
 
Yes the demand for the iPad 2 is amazing. Dell, HP and Motorola all wish they see lines and demand as high as this.

However, the reality is this.........this may be amazing for Apple profit, but it is also amazingly tiresome for workers that makes these iPad. Think about the people that had to put up 24/7 of work force to make your dream come true when you buy an iPad. Think of the little people.

use your imagination, and imagine a post-Apocalypse where Apple is the only building left standing. and people are surviving by making Apple products because they have no choice. Its like a bad horror movie made cheap by iMovie. :rolleyes:
 
If you don't mind me asking, what type of business are you able to do on it? By which I mean, do you transfer money, look into orders and accounts, etc, or do you do lots of writing or other analysis on it?


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My business requirements aren't too demanding but I think they're in line with most non-computer related professionals. I need to be able to monitor political and financial developments in real time for certain key words. Log into our company intranet if there is an emergency, open and modify spreadsheets, word docs and pdfs, Write and respond to emails and make presentations.

Like I said nothing is too demanding and I was doing it all without problems with a MBA beforehand. The ipad is significantly cheaper, doubles the battery life and doesn't sacrificing any functionality. Since I travel by plane 3-4 times a month anything that makes the experience easier is wonderful.
 
Yes the demand for the iPad 2 is amazing. Dell, HP and Motorola all wish they see lines and demand as high as this.

However, the reality is this.........this may be amazing for Apple profit, but it is also amazingly tiresome for workers that makes these iPad. Think about the people that had to put up 24/7 of work force to make your dream come true when you buy an iPad. Think of the little people.

use your imagination, and imagine a post-Apocalypse where Apple is the only building left standing. and people are surviving by making Apple products because they have no choice. Its like a bad horror movie made cheap by iMovie. :rolleyes:


you apple hater! :p
 
Hey iPad owners - I'm happy for y'all and I'm gonna let you finish explaining to me how much you love your devices, but first I just wanna say that the iPad is one of the worst products of all time!
This is what I heard.
 
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I would even accept the iPad's utility if it could do a handful of common tasks decently well such that there was efficiency gained by only having one device. For almost everyone, however, the iPad requires a computer. It replaces nothing.

Actually, the iPad is a good replacement for people's second computer. Very many people, myself included, have a desktop and a laptop, or a laptop and a netbook. For most of these people, the iPad can replace the core functionality of the second computer (which is mostly web browsing and checking e-mail), while being much more convenient to carry around and having a long battery life that is conducive to being used away from home, or just being carried from room to room in the house. It also, nicely, does not duplicate many of the features of a regular computer, adding additional, non-duplicative functions that complement the regular computer.
 
You so made me laugh!!! and I read it on my iPad!!!!

Yeah, I was laughing when I posted it atually. It so appropriate. You can list a million things the iPad is good for and there will still be someone standing there shrugging and saying, "Yeah, but can it __[insert some esoteric activity nobody cares about]___?" It's just pointless with some people.
 
Love to know where the ANALysts are coming up with these numbers. Probably the same ones who regularly predict product features that aren't there?

Let me guess the logic of these analysts - 323 Apple Stores * 3,000 in one Manhattan store = 969,000 which is close enough to 1 million???

Except the Apple store I was nearest to this weekend was nowhere near that busy.
 
Perhaps the most surprising stat mentioned by Piper Jaffrey (linked to in the Fortune article) :

17% expect to use apps and play games, up from 9%, which suggests that the App Store ecosystem is growing.

83% don't expect to use apps/play games? Even non-techie people I know are busy playing Angry Birds/Flight Control within hours of buying an iPhone for the first time (and txting everyone about it!), I'd be surprised if it's not the same with the iPad. I'm surprised that 17% figure is so low.
 
Analysts

Love to know where the ANALysts are coming up with these numbers. Probably the same ones who regularly predict product features that aren't there?

Let me guess the logic of these analysts - 323 Apple Stores * 3,000 in one Manhattan store = 969,000 which is close enough to 1 million???

Except the Apple store I was nearest to this weekend was nowhere near that busy.

They were crazy busy 1-2 hours after 5pm. But any remaining stock of unsold iPad 2s started to look like yeti sightings.

In my area at least, all units were pretty gone within an hour except a few white 64-gig Verizon 3G models, and then people started to snatch them up rather than getting the unit they wanted from a scalper (um, reseller) for twice the price. And also in my area, no one got anymore stock in on Sat or Mon, not even the Apple Stores.

iPad 2 launch HOUR is more accurate than iPad Launch WEEKEND. Apple didn't have near enough stock to qualify for a full weekend. They sold like hotcakes to be sure, but they didn't move a million units in that hot hour. A whole lot of people just went home disappointed and bought Xooms instead (not!)
 
Course not

Except the Apple store I was nearest to this weekend was nowhere near that busy.

Of course not...because the smart people called ahead and got "We're out!" Only the stupid would go to the Apple Store this weekend expecting to find an iPad 2.

The Apple Stores this weekend were haunted only by the ghosts of those poor bastards whose hopes were dashed by 6pm on Friday, balefully crying, "iiiPaaaad, iiiPaaaad..!!"
 
Yes I agree. I was just refuting kdarling's claim that the "hold outs" who were waiting for version 2 were the ones driving the demand.

Note: it wasn't a claim. It was a question. Hence the question mark :)

Surely the largest driver is not even iPad 1 owners, but rather the masses of people who saw their friend or relative's iPad that they got for Christmas and thought it was really cool. The market expansion on this is huge.

While I don't disagree, it seems to me that a lot of those people would've simply bought the iPad1. I even know a couple of guys at work who surprised the rest of us by buying one (just as you said because of friends), and only a couple of weeks ago.

We of course were like "Are you kidding? Didn't you know the iPad2 was due out next week?? Take it back!!"

And the answer was: no, most non-techie people don't really pay attention to when a new iPad comes out (heck, they've just finally figured out the new iPhone timing - lol).

Cheers!
 
First come, first serve, eh?

Then why not divert those "daily shipments" to the thousands of online orders that have already been made?
 
Pretty much


Skype video calling is awesome with the ipad
. And it was gimped on the original release with no multi tasking
So does this mean we were all correct: a lot of potential buyers were waiting for a Version 2 with cameras and more memory?
 
'Should have'?
You care to explain how the dual core processor would have been available that this price a year ago, or how the faster graphics chips would magically have been available?
Or source your info that says that the lighter battery and thinner glass could have been available at this cost?
Or why Apple should have released a pointless camera before seeding FaceTime environment with iPhone 4 and touch?

I'm pretty sick of the armchair CEOs drinking their conspiracy theories.
On the other hand, I guess offering no incremental improvements would have resulted in kudos from y'all, right?

Well said.
 
What I loved about the haters is that they called this 1.5 when in reality, this should have been the iPad and what those crybabies did was buy the iPad .5 before it was fully developed. Don't hate us for buying the new version when the product was complete. Hate yourselves for not being able to wait for a completed project. You guys got screwed by Apple, not us.

Call it the iPad Alpha while you're at it, and this one's the Beta :rolleyes:
 
it takes two

I bought two ipads so that I could use facetime with my wife who travels for her work. I imagine that this is true for many including military families, college students, working couples who are away from each other and their families, on an on. Point is that for iPad 1, one tablet was fine because all you could do was play games or use apps. The new iPad is a communication device and it takes two to communicate. That is why the iPhone was so popular so quickly. The vast majority of buyers needed to buy at least two. No wonder sales of Ipad 2 doubled.
 
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