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Keep on dreaming pal. Only geeks are adopting ‘smart home’ garbage.

Unfortunately, I think it is worse than that. The real geeks have realized that most of the 'home automation' stuff on the market is just a bunch of toys or poorly designed/implemented stuff, and are waiting for some day when Home Automation 2.0 starts happening.

The people who are buying it are probably clueless people lured in by a display in Home Depot when they remodel their home, and they'll like hate it all and never touch it again.

I think there is some useful home automation stuff that will come along one day once the companies making it actually sit down and carefully think it all through... and general building technology improves some. And, the really sad thing is that we could have much smarter, better built homes/buildings if the whole industry weren't so backward. (ie: lots of energy savings, useful tech, etc. being missed currently)
 
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Next up: a change to eero’s privacy policy that gives Amazon data on all your network traffic

As a long time eero customer, this really really sucks
I really hope this doesn't happen. I've been so happy with my eero setup, but will end up selling it if that happens.
 
I have no idea what Apple is doing, but buying back their stock is a waste of money.

It seems like Apple can't see any other product that is not an iPhone. There are SOOO many companies Apple could buy to enhance their ecosystem, like within our homes. Eero and Sonos are just examples.

It's mind boggling why they got out of the wi-fi business. I guess they don't care about the booming smart home craze. That's ok. It's Apple lack of vision for anything that is not iPhone is why I'm now a proud owner of a 4-Pack Google wifi system, a Google Home, 2 Google Home Mini, a Nest thermostat, and a Nest door video doorbell. Those all could have had the name Apple on them, but Apple doesn't care about anything but the iPhone.

One day Apple and the people will realize their iPhones don't work with anything as Amazon and Google start playing dirty and lock everything down. And this will be the undoing of Apple, simply because of their lack of foresight, driven by a "by the numbers" CEO.,
 
Keep on dreaming pal. Only geeks are adopting ‘smart home’ garbage.Only when new homes or hotels come with HomeKit ,then it will matter. Not before that. The Beats purchase has been a great buy from Apple. It actually makes money. Plus allowing Apple to make W1 chips available at wider scale. So, just keep on dreaming about useless ‘home automation’ . Apple is just doing fine with Beats.

Maybe not in your cave, but plenty of non-geeks are buying IoT "'smart home' garbage," whether smart speakers, video cams/doorbells, connected light bulbs/switches/outlets, or mesh networking setups...most of which works with Alexa/Google, not HomeKit.

Mainstream retailers like Costco and Best Buy wouldn't be giving end cap space, and devoting entire sections to home automation if it didn't sell.

If you don't think it matters, you're living in the dark, perhaps even literally.
 
Ah But that brings up the same issue that’s plagued past networks: coverage. Once you get into suburbs and rural areas, there’ll be virtually no 5G.

That’s already a solved problem. Those in the suburbs would get their own mini 5G “tower”, plugged into a wired service in the same way you get home internet today or via satellite service.
 
I bought the Blink camera system shortly after Amazon took it over as I thought this would give the system long term support and improvement and help with the additional features in the pipeline such as doorbell, leak detectors etc.

It's a decent enough system and nothing has deteriorated but it has been stagnant with nil improvements or innovation.
No further innovation at all which I hoped would be coming.

Effectively bought by Amazon and shelved. I am in the process of deciding on a mesh system - this acquisition has ruled out Eero for me now, based on the way Amazon handled Blink.
 
That’s already a solved problem. Those in the suburbs would get their own mini 5G “tower”, plugged into a wired service in the same way you get home internet today or via satellite service.
Just because a technical solution exists doesn't make it quickly happen in the real world. I stick to what I said - we are years away from ubiquitous 5G deployment. I still can't get decent 4G LTE in my house and I am not located in the sticks.
 
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Not to mention the patents and BOM cost. Which no one has addressed yet about 5G.
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Just because a technical solution exists doesn't make it quickly happen in the real world. I stick to what I said - we are years away from ubiquitous 5G deployment. I still can't get decent 4G LTE in my house and I am not located in the sticks.

I say at least 4 - 5 years. The Apple designed 5G modem won't be in iPhone for 2022 at best. The 3GPP standards and work required for all 5G to work is still at least another 6 - 12 months away.

So I have no idea why everyone is fantasising 5G.
 
So I have no idea why everyone is fantasising 5G.
It could be understandable if this was the first time this fantasy comes along.

But no... We had UMTS (3G) fantasy and then LTE (4G) fantasy as each generation was to be the end all of wireless happiness.

But now, after two great exemples of nice incremental technologies, 5G is supposed to be the last cookie in the jar.
 
I’ll keep using my 3 AirPort Extreme ac base stations (via Ethernet backhaul) until they cease functioning. They’re rock solid with all my equipment (Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Nest, and countless others) and require virtually zero maintenance.

I have the same setup with the same results. Zero issues and complete property coverage.
 
And it died all of a sudden without any signs on what is going on. :(
I've had around 15 AirPort devices in the past 10 years, and I think 5 have died. Something in that ballpark. It doesn't sound bad, but that's probably a higher failure rate than other wifi + router combos.

One AirPort Express decided it wanted to be a router and DHCP server regardless of the config I gave it... twice. That somehow caused a packet storm, I forget why. Something about computers sending traffic to it meant for an external IP then it asking the LAN where that IP is (ARP).
 
I've had around 15 AirPort devices in the past 10 years, and I think 5 have died. Something in that ballpark. It doesn't sound bad, but that's probably a higher failure rate than other wifi + router combos.

One AirPort Express decided it wanted to be a router and DHCP server regardless of the config I gave it... twice. That somehow caused a packet storm, I forget why. Something about computers sending traffic to it meant for an external IP then it asking the LAN where that IP is (ARP).
Worst part is, the design is so simple that there are pretty much no sign on what is the failure.
 
It could be understandable if this was the first time this fantasy comes along.

But no... We had UMTS (3G) fantasy and then LTE (4G) fantasy as each generation was to be the end all of wireless happiness.

But now, after two great exemples of nice incremental technologies, 5G is supposed to be the last cookie in the jar.

Technically, this is as close as we can get. 5G for everything, it is by far the most complex pieces of Networking technology we have seen to data, the spec is so gigantic that not a single person completely understands it. But this argument is exactly the same as those who cried and shouted for AV1 in Video Codec industry, the wishful thinking of technology completely ignores the business side of it.

Who is paying for the patents in 5G, as compared to WiFi and Bluetooth. Forget about Qualcomm patents cost, even just Nokia and Ericsson, the 5G cost involved are already in multiples of total WiFi patents cost.

When the industry are thinking hard about scrapping 10 cents off their BOM cost, patents is the biggest hurdle to completely replace WiFi. ( That is ignoring 5G BOM cost is also a lot more expensive )

And not a single person came out with a rational explanation of their so call theory.
 
As I said, I have an AirPort. It’s an Extreme 802.11ac. Doesn’t have the speed beyond my office to support the gigabit network in my neighborhood. I want better coverage too (my new house is about 3000sqft, or about 3400sqft if you include my unfinished workshop area where I also need WiFi, and the house I bought my router for was only about 1600sqft). I’ll have to do more research now. I liked that eero had a built-in filtering subscription service that is important to me as my kids get older. I think Orbi and Velop were the ones that I had been considering.

Were you able to decide to go Orbi or Velop route?
 
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