Amazon Introduces 8.9-Inch and 7-Inch Kindle Fire HD at $299 and $199, Updated Kindle Fire Drops to $159

[ChelseaJK]

Briefly considered getting my mom one of the new Kindle Fires…but Apple has a much wider variety of apps, and she wanted airplay mirroring. Also the ads on the Fire are kinda lame, even though they help keep the costs down I suppose.

 

[divinox]

oh i can read perfectly fine, in your original post you questioned what people would even blow through 250MB doing. i gave you several examples, now you change your tune, acting like all along you never questioned the inadequacy of a 250MB/mo plan.

numbers are against my side? really? well if you go with what the carriers have said (if you believe that, and trust me...this number is extremely conservative) is that the average data plan user in Q2 2012 consumed 1.1GB per month which increased from 450MB in Q2 2011. with regards to what "most" users use...you have failed to understand what the nature of averages means. average, or mean, means that 50% of people would fall above 1.1GB and 50% below. the above statistic accounts for ALL users who have data plans, whether or not they have a smartphone or a non-smartphone. if you look at just smartphone users, or in other words the only group of people who will be using the 4G network now, that average will be substantially higher thus further making 250MB/mo extremely insufficient.

most public transportation systems do not offer free wifi in the USA. that's great that your's does, however the one in Philadelphia (SEPTA) does not, nor does the one in New Jersey (NJ Transit). since you love using the word "most" - MOST people with smartphones are not using their company's wifi for data during the day, MOST people are not using public transportation wifi during morning and afternoon commutes, and thus MOST people are using the cellular network for their data plans.

your argument has absolutely no foundation to stand on. no direction, nothing. you can't sit there and shot gun an argument in this thread, bouncing around from misc point to misc point. stick with your point and defend it, or don't even bother. no one has questioned the ability to pay more for more data, no one. not me, not anyone else. the point was raised earlier in the thread, before i even joined, that while 250MB/mo for $49/yr seems like a good deal it is more of a gimmick to get people onto a data plan in hopes they exceed the monthly allotment and upgrade to a more expensive plan. it's brilliant marketing - i call it subsidized data, at least at the bottom tier.

AGAIN...importance has nothing to do with reality. the reality is, watching a 5 mins ESPN clip on a 3G network results in 5MB of data consumption. without the ability to toggle video streaming quality manually in nearly every case (videos watched on the iPad open up through Quicktime and ESPN and CNN apps do not allow video stream quality toggling within the app), the ability to effectively control data consumption is lost unless you completely cease the activity all together. that same 5 mins video stream on ESPN results in 50MB since it defaults to a HD standard of video quality. this is why 250MB/mo is not sufficient. that argument is NOT related to your's about "it's a free world, go buy a more expensive data plan". the argument was never that, you're point is not constructive.


i suggest you go back to streaming porn on your iPad in your parents basement on their wifi network, and stay off these forums. you've made a fool of yourself

1) Ok, sorry, you are most obviously capable of reading; however, you are clearly incapable of taking part of a conversation. Thats the only plausible explanation for your inability to take in what is said and move things forward.

2) I still dont find 250MB inadequate. For many purposes, it is absolutely fine. Not only for me, but for many people (nota bene: many does not equal all! repeat until it sticks.) Assuming, of course, that you wont have to rely on your Kindles radio as your main access to the web.

And, as already stated: if you need more, buy more. And even if you do, it doesn't change the fact that you get a really good deal on the first GB's.

3) Amazing. I tell you, explicitly, why actual use is useless data to support any type of argument, and you reply by posting such data. Great thinking, cowboy!

4) I never said most people have free wifi on their public transport, did i? No, you asked ME what I would do. And I told you what I would do. For obvious reasons, I do not live in every city in the world. Not even MOST. If that is the best you have got, dont even go there.

5) My argument has no foundation? Yeah, except that many seem to agree (even in this thread), that Amazon would be retarded to offer something no one can use (highly doubt that), and that you still have yet to provide numbers that most people need (significantly more than) 250 MB in 1-2 days.

And, i am sticking to my point: it is a good deal (was not my original point though, my original point was that most people do not blast through 250 MB in 1-2 days). And further, it is a good deal regardless of if you need 250 MB, 1GB or 5 GB a month.

6) As already stated, Amazon is not a carrier. They have little interest in making their customers feel screwed over. Especially when they have nothing to gain from it (as also stated, a reverse gain share where amazon gets revenue from the carrier is illogical and implausible).

7) i do not care if watching ESPN for 5 minutes is 5 GB of data. I never questioned that it was possible to use a lot of bandwidth. I used to use hundreds of GB of bandwidth every day (obviously not on a mobile device). I question the fundamental need to do so, though. And if you have that need, get a better plan: assuming you dont already have one for your Phone.

8)

- I live in a penthouse, not a basement.
- I do not own an iPad, i have my own wifi though.
- I am not going anywhere, sweet cheeks.

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Is the flesh-sword fight over already? Sheesh!

Apparently naked people having sex is offensive, so i doubt it'll be over any time soon!

 

[Chupa Chupa]

IPod shuffle, Mac Mini, Apple Tv... Do you want me to continue?

What you think they are inexpensive for what they are?

News flash -- you can buy a generic 4GB mp3 player for $22 where a 2GB Shuffle is $50. You can buy a striped down Lenovo IdeaCentre small form factor PC w/ Win 7 for $349 where the least expensive Mac Mini is $599. And finally, you can buy a Roku 2 XD 1080p streaming TV box for $79 where an Apple TV is $99.

In every category Apple products are not only more expensive they are multiple % more costly. Apple gets this premium because there are more appealing. Do you want me to continue? Ha.

And back to your original premise that a 7" iPad mini won't sell at $349... did you check out the prices for the new iPod touches? Sorry, but an iPad mini isn't going to be priced less than an iPod...or even the same price. It's going to be $349-399 and it will sell like honey at a bear convention.

 

[bawbac]

There's an iPad mini?

 

[Eidorian]

There's an iPad mini?

Staggered releases. There is time before Christmasu.

 

[bawbac]

Staggered releases. There is time before Christmasu.

That's just hope & speculation.

 

[Eidorian]

That's just hope & speculation.

Companies want to stay in the news and make sure a product gets enough focus/sales before releasing another one.

 

[poloponies]

IPod shuffle, Mac Mini, Apple Tv... Do you want me to continue?

None of those were low-price competitors in their respective markets. Or maybe you don't recall the uproar when the $499 Mini was introduced without keyboard/mouse or monitor at a time when you could get a whole PC setup for less.

 

[inscrewtable]

a 5th gen 16gb ipod nano still sells new for over $250!

 

[applebook]

Incorrect statement again. Are you saying the Bose system that comes as an option in luxury car, and costs thousands of dollars is crap?

Um, yes. Bose is indeed crap. Ask any knowledgeable audiophile, and he will laugh at Bose.

 

[EbookReader]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/02/pew-research-center-tablet-ownership-report/

USA tablet marketshare (through August 2012)

 

[amy88]

Briefly considered getting my mom one of the new Kindle Fires…but Apple has a much wider variety of apps, and she wanted airplay mirroring. Also the ads on the Fire are kinda lame, even though they help keep the costs down I suppose.

Got my Mum one she loves it.