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Laughing at the Echo connect, who still has a home phone these days? I know there are some, but really, it is very few people.
Its targeting the older generations I know my grandparents will love it they already send me messages via Alexa throughout the day the ability to make a receive calls will be used a lot. For $34 the 911 feature alone is worth it.
 
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Meh. For $99 you it may have better sound than their previous speakers but it's not going to be on the level of the HomePod.

I wouldn't even go as far as to call it direct competition. Then intentions of the two devices are much different.

Thanks, we certainly all appreciate your most professional opinion on something you haven’t even heard yet much less seen.
[doublepost=1506539156][/doublepost]One thing I must say about Amazon and their native products; with their competitive pricing and strong innovation, they’re at least driving up the competition which could only benefit the consumer.
 
Have not heard the HomePod yet, but I am not sure how a single woofer and tweeter can duplicate the sound field that Apple supposedly can produce. Granted I am still skeptical of Apple’s abilities, but I have been in rooms at sound labs where companies created impressive sound fields from a single device in a small location. If done properly, reflecting off of walls and such (as Apple claims they can do), can sound impressive. In the case of the demo, aim and timing was key for a good sound field.

Is it room filling concert sound? No, but, still sounded better than a single directed driver.
I remember walking into a Bose store once and they invited us to a little theater room in the back where we took our seats. They had a large screen TV on the wall with a horizontal sound bar under it and speakers all around the wall, covered by cloths to disguise their branding.

They played some demo clips showing off their surround sound system and how believable it sounded. Nothing special, mostly "yeah yeah we've got 5.1s at home, who cares."

A few minutes of boredom later, they came in and took off the cloths one by one. No speakers. Just soundbar.
 
Nice attempt.

Where is the Amazon Video for the AppleTV?
You suffer from NIA.

Not Invented by Apple.
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Thanks, we certainly all appreciate your most professional opinion on something you haven’t even heard yet much less seen.
[doublepost=1506539156][/doublepost]One thing I must say about Amazon and their native products; with their competitive pricing and strong innovation, they’re at least driving up the competition which could only benefit the consumer.
Most intelligent post I've read so far on this.
 
Laughing at the Echo connect, who still has a home phone these days? I know there are some, but really, it is very few people.

I cancelled my home phone service a decade ago, but it appears there are still tens of millions of people in the US alone that still have a home phone. Mostly folks over 40.
 
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Sticking with Apple on this category. I have an Echo but I am too deep in with Apple's Eco system that it makes sense to go with Apple's unreleased future speaker product.
 
I remember walking into a Bose store once and they invited us to a little theater room in the back where we took our seats. They had a large screen TV on the wall with a horizontal sound bar under it and speakers all around the wall, covered by cloths to disguise their branding.

They played some demo clips showing off their surround sound system and how believable it sounded. Nothing special, mostly "yeah yeah we've got 5.1s at home, who cares."

A few minutes of boredom later, they came in and took off the cloths one by one. No speakers. Just soundbar.
I have a Bose soundbar hooked up to my Echo dot the sound quality is amazing and its multi purpose.
 
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In five years all three pieces of gear mentioned here will be totally obsolete. I think more general audio capabilities will become defacto built in most construction. Like 120V AC, it will be a utility and vastly anonymous.
 
Is this a case of Apple being meticulous in launching a premium product or a slow and bloated company that takes months to release a speaker?
Apple have never been first to a product line, but when they do arrive, it's usually well thought out and a premium product. That premium however now also very much includes the price and eventually there will be a tipping point.
 
I remember walking into a Bose store once and they invited us to a little theater room in the back where we took our seats. They had a large screen TV on the wall with a horizontal sound bar under it and speakers all around the wall, covered by cloths to disguise their branding.

They played some demo clips showing off their surround sound system and how believable it sounded. Nothing special, mostly "yeah yeah we've got 5.1s at home, who cares."

A few minutes of boredom later, they came in and took off the cloths one by one. No speakers. Just soundbar.

Haha, I had the same demo but maybe a few years before soundbars got popular. Went into a room with these huge speakers, they played a demo, sounded loud and crisp and everyone was like "big deal, those speakers are huge" and then they removed the covers and they were actually TINY little satellites. Was pretty impressive at the time.
 
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At an event in Seattle this morning, Amazon unveiled its next-generation Amazon Echo speaker, which features a new smaller design and better sound than the original Echo to compete with products like Apple's upcoming HomePod.

Apple focused heavily on sound quality as a way to differentiate the HomePod from existing smart speakers like the Google Home and the Amazon Echo, with a 7 tweeter array, a 4-inch upward-facing woofer, and an A8 processor capable of advanced acoustic modeling and spatial awareness. Shortly after the HomePod was unveiled, rumors of a higher-end Echo surfaced.

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Amazon's new Echo, image via TechCrunch

Amazon's new Echo supports Dolby Audio and it has a dedicated woofer and tweeter, features Amazon says bring better sound. It also includes second-generation voice recognition capabilities, second-generation far-field microphone technology, and support for multi-room audio so several Echo devices can be used together.

The Echo is made from metal and is wrapped in a fabric shell, which can be swapped out with other shells for customization much like the Google Home. Amazon is offering six shells for the Echo.

Amazon plans to charge $99 for the new Echo, making it much more affordable than the HomePod, which will be priced at $349 when it launches in December. Pre-orders for the new Echo are available today.

There's also a new Echo Plus, with built-in Zigbee functionality for smart home hub functionality and all of the same improvements in the new Echo model. It's designed to work with a wide range of smart home products right out of the box, with over 100 partners signed up. Echo Plus is similar in design to the original Echo, while the new $99 Echo is smaller and shorter. Amazon is charging $149 for the Echo Plus, and it comes with a free Philips Hue bulb.

Echo Buttons, also new, are priced at $20 and are designed to allow Echo owners to play trivia games with the Echo, and the Echo Spot is a new Echo device that features a 2.5-inch circular display. It's a cross between an Echo and a smart alarm clock with a price tag of $130.

Along with the new Echo models, Amazon announced the $35 Echo Connect, a device that's designed to plug into a phone jack on one side and an Echo on the other, allowing the Echo to be used as a telephone able to accept calls from a person's standard home phone number. The Echo Connect is also available for pre-order today. Amazon Echo speakers are also gaining call functionality that will let them make phone calls to any number.

Article Link: Amazon Launches New $99 Echo Speaker With Better Sound and $149 Echo Plus Smart Home Hub
What an awful looking picture. Looks like a dingy kitchen from the 50s. And how come we can see clearly see the power cord for that weird coffee water pot thing but no cord on the Echo? Is it battery powered or are they hiding cable behind the Echo so that someone walking by table will trip on it?
 
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Apple have never been first to a product line, but when they do arrive, it's usually well thought out and a premium product. That premium however now also very much includes the price and eventually there will be a tipping point.

Sure...I get that. But June announcement of a HomePod that won't ship for 6 months? Is there some 3D sensor that is in short supply?

It just seems every well intentioned, well-thought out product (AirPods, x-Phone), is a manufacturing headache.
 
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There is no way that this will sound close to the audio quality of the HomePod, but you have to consider you can buy four of these for the same price as one HomePod (With the $50 3 pack discount)...
 
What an awful looking picture. Looks like a dingy kitchen from the 50s. And how come we can see clearly see the power cord for that weird coffee water pot thing but no cord on the Echo? Is it battery powered or are they hiding cable behind the Echo so that someone walking by table will trip on it?

LOL...my thoughts as well. It's like it's shot with an Apple QuickTake 100. :)
 
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Sure...I get that. But June announcement of a HomePod that won't ship for 6 months? Is there some 3D sensor that is in short supply?

It just seems every well intentioned, well-thought out product (AirPods, x-Phone), is a manufacturing headache.
Yeah I hear you, it's an interesting point. Another view is that perhaps they are just drip feeding products to max out revenues. By that I mean if you punt out three devices people might only buy one or two of them - by the time they are in a position to get the second/third device, it is perhaps considered old hat or competitors have caught up. Maybe a (very) slow and steady pipeline wins the race. Releasing news of future products keeps the customer hungry.

Of course, I could be confusing lethargy for strategy...
 
Echo Connect? Really betting on landlines taking over again, eh? Amazon is trying to find a product that no one wants... are they laundering mob money over there or something?

"Introducing the new Echo Connect, now with real-time rotary dialing and vinyl 45 playback!"

Laugh away. It's perfect for elderly parents, and in fact, my own wife who spends her time on our landline.

(During the last big Northeast blackout, we were about the only house on our road who still had phone service. Everyone else had cells and the cells ran out of power in a couple of days. People would sheepishly come by and ask to use our landline to call their parents to let them know they were okay. When Superstorm Sandy later hit, a lot of them had learned a lesson and were better prepared.)
 
Thanks, we certainly all appreciate your most professional opinion on something you haven’t even heard yet much less seen.
[doublepost=1506539156][/doublepost]One thing I must say about Amazon and their native products; with their competitive pricing and strong innovation, they’re at least driving up the competition which could only benefit the consumer.

I was at the Apple Keynote in San Jose and had a chance to check out the HomePod hands on.

You're really going to argue that something with just a single small woofer and a single tweeter is going to sound better than 7 tweeters and a high-excursion woofer in the HomePod? :rolleyes:
 
And who said the home pod was going against amazon echo?
If anything, with Airplay 2 with multi room audio support, its more Sonos that happens to have extra features like siri.
And not only did it take them so long... Apple is entering this market with a premium priced device. In fact... it's the most expensive home-automation-speaker-thing to date!

This isn't that unusual for Apple... but still.

I just read that you can get a 3-pack of Amazon Echo 2 for only $250. :eek:

It's gonna be another Alexa Christmas...
 
And if you're still using DSL... why in the name of all that is holy are you still using DSL?
Because that's all a lot of places can get.
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...and a new 4K HDR FireTV for $70, less than half of what Apple charges. Comes with a better remote, too!
And Atmos. Though I see no mention of Dolby Vision.
 
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So you're telling us that something you haven't heard sounds better than something else you haven't heard.

That's some real valuable insight right there.

I can tell you that having heard the HomePod after the Keynote, there's little technical possibility the much smaller Echo with a single small woofer and single tweeter setup will be able to come even into the neighborhood of matching it.

The HomePod was designed specifically to play music, with a powerful processor, beam forming, and much more. The Echo was designed to be a personal assistant first and foremost. The fact that it has somewhat better sound than other Echo devices doesn't mean it's on the same level as the HomePod.
 
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