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why are people comparing the iPad to the Kindle Fire? They're at two completely different price points.

$199 vs $499.

thats a 300 dollar difference.

btw, that Amazon Silk Browser feature looks killer.
 
I just checked out this video from Amazon talking about Amazon Silk browser. While I think Silk is cool and probably similar to some of things that Opera Mini is doing on mobile, they lose all credibility when they open with "browsers have been built more or less the same way for 15 or 20 years".

I'm sure the guys at Mozilla, Opera, and WebKit all take exception to that. Browser architecture has changed drastically since its inception 15 to 20 years ago. Heck, the first browsers I used in college in 1992/1993 (about 19 to 20 years ago) were radically different than what we have today. And the Opera guys are probably a bit miffed at Amazon for trying to lay claim to the innovation of using the cloud to offload tasks from the device (heck even the Skyfire and iSwifter guys should be upset at them).


I wonder how the pre fetch is going to interact with pay per view like the New York Times. Sounds like some crazy combination of the old AOL proxy system and Opera Mini. So much internet content is now personalised and customised I would be a little worried about what could go wrong if they get too aggressive with their optimisations.
 
From what I've read, the Fire doesn't connect to the Android App Market, it only connects to Amazon's limited market.

It also appears from the commercial (not sure if it's been confirmed or not yet) not to even have an accelerometer built in, as the lady in the ad has to hit an onscreen button to flip the image.

Has anyone found out if it has the rumored two-finger-only multitouch? That would also limit a lot of what this thing can do.

It runs an ancient version of Android.

It looks attractive and I'm sure will sell well, but with some of the basic things that make an iPad an iPad, I fail to see how this is true competition. It seems to be set up to dominate the Nook, not the iPad.
 
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Sorry if someone asked this earlier, but what does this have to do "Mac Rumors?"

It's competition.

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That being said. Wasn't it kindle that always said it was lightweight and did its job as a book reader?

Guess they found out that people want more than just a book reader.

People bash apple then they end up following them.
 
As an owner of the iPad 2, the availability of apps for the Kindle will depend on the user base.

At this low a price, it will surely hit critical mass to sway developers. Amazon already has the cloud storage, books, movies, and music. It has enough on offer to make the tablet interesting.

The lack of app will be taken care off by time. Critical Mass is what is needed.
Lack of apps?
It uses the Amazon Apps store, so there's already plenty of apps available for it.
Remember... it's Android. Android 2.1 to be exact.
This means it will be rooted and have side loading the day it's released.

The devs on XDA should have it running Gingerbread in pretty short order.
 
I Would love to see an iFixit tear down of this device to get a rough estimate of what this thing cost to make. Pretty sure Amazon is selling this at a loss.
 
I placed my pre-order.

This is the perfect sized device for viewing content while traveling on subway, etc. The ipad is just a bit too big. Plus with the price point it's a no brainer.

I'm not reading thhrough all this multipage apple fan boy dribble
 
Lack of apps?
It uses the Amazon Apps store, so there's already plenty of apps available for it.
Remember... it's Android. Android 2.1 to be exact.
This means it will be rooted and have side loading the day it's released.

Amazon never mentioned hard drive size here. It's a far stretch but a possibility that this device has no HD in place of amazons cloud services.
 
Lack of apps?
It uses the Amazon Apps store, so there's already plenty of apps available for it.
Remember... it's Android. Android 2.1 to be exact.
This means it will be rooted and have side loading the day it's released.

I am talking about the same degree of enthusiasm that developers have on the iPad. Sure, Amazon App Store has a good number of apps, but this time there could be real developer interest aka developers creating apps for the Kindle Fire to reach Apple App Store momentum.

All it needs is a user base. Which will happen after Christmas. Then the 10' Fire will be announced.
 
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How is this that much different than the Nook Color? I know the hardware is updated but I don't see how groundbreaking this is vs. the Nook?
 
I wonder how the pre fetch is going to interact with pay per view like the New York Times. Sounds like some crazy combination of the old AOL proxy system and Opera Mini. So much internet content is now personalised and customised I would be a little worried about what could go wrong if they get too aggressive with their optimisations.

The same way we've been doing it... forever really. An HTTP request/response always contains a Date field in the response (I think it's called Last-Modified), indicating the timestamp of the last content update. So as a proxy server, by this timestamp, you can evaluate if your cached content is up to date for serving or if you need to fetch the newer content and cache it.

And since you can use the HEAD directive instead of the GET directive to only fetch the headers for a certain request, you can check this timestamp by only doing a couple of bytes of transmission rather than retransmitting the content all the time.

Then there's the Pragma: No-cache directive that can be inserted into paywall and dynamically personalized content to prevent caching of it.
 
The price point is more complimentary to owning a computer because the Kindle fire seems to be geared towards content consumption ONLY. So, it's not meant to create content that computers can make. Once again, let me say that the iPad is designed to be a device that replaces a computer. It does everything that an average computer user would want to do. For those of us who actually need a little power, we have our macbook pros/iMacs/Mac Pros. ........................................

The iPad is not a computer replacement at all. It's way too limited in every respect. It could be a computer replacement but the lack of a file system, the lack of printing capabilities, the lack of USB access (or any other open interface to connect devices) and many other limtations mean it is not a computer replacement. This is not about CPU power. It's about general usability for average productivity tasks that I could do on my Mac IIsi 15 years ago. The entire concept of the iPad is to be different than a classic computer.

iPad's are great for consuming media. The kindle is in that sense a more radical version of the iPad because it's cheap enough for the mass market and even more limtied as a computer.

I'm seriously considering to replace my planned upgrade to the iPad3 with a Kindle (plus a 11"MBA) unless the iPad 3/iOS5 becomes a lot more like a computer.
 
Sorry if someone asked this earlier, but what does this have to do "Mac Rumors?"

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Amazon never mentioned hard drive size here. It's a far stretch but a possibility that this device has no HD in place of amazons cloud services.

It has 8 GB of internal storage.

http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Color-...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1321411382&pf_rd_i=507846

On-device Storage 8GB internal. That's enough for 80 apps, plus either 10 movies or 800 songs or 6,000 books.

This one is funny :

System Requirements None, because it's wireless and doesn't require a computer.
 
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It has 8GB internal storage.
What wasn't mentioned on the tech specs was how much ram it has.


It has 512MB. Also it doesn't seem to have anything else but a power button.

From Engadget :

What it won't have, though, is the number of physical inputs. It'll make do with just a power button and nothing more -- if you want to turn down the volume you'll need to dive into the status bar. Whether or not that proves to be an annoyance in the long-run remains to be seen, but we're thinking it will be.

Software performance seems quite smart at this point, switching tasks and apps in rapid fire during the demo we were given. We were only shown a brief glimpse of the new Silk browser, but we must say the thing appears to deliver on its promises. The dual-core 1GHz, TI OMAP processor certainly seems adequate, too, even if it is only paired with 512MB of memory. It also has 8GB of storage on tap -- a bit light these days, but with all your content synced online, in theory there's no need for more. In theory.
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