LOL @ the 8GB comment, the 8GB iPod Touch is the highest seller. Apparently space isn't a issue for most.
Teach them how to read? I would never allow my kids to watch 8 hours of video on anything. Not even my iPad.
The iPad forum of this site won't even allow discussions regarding the Fire and it's relation to future iPads (something they've never done with other competitors). It's odd because it seems this is may be the competitor that Apple fans have been egging on for so long. So now that it's here then why not evaluate/discuss it for what it is rather than find ways to criticize what it's not.
I've both recommended and turned people away friends from buying iPads because the iPad is a costly gadget that doesn't fit everyone's lifestyle or budget. I've also told many friends that the Touchpad isn't what they want even at $100 because price is only a part of what makes an intelligent purchase decision. The people I recommended iPads to love it, but the ones I dissuaded would probably be very happy with a $200 kindle fire because it's not only about apps and hype. Sometimes it's about the ecosystem and for many then Amazon offers exactly what they need.
I just watched the hands on video from Engadget and it appears that the screen does not rotate from vertical to horizontal, if thats the case it's a total fail.
I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't look like it will.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/3290/
This happens to be a Apple-centric website where people who are fans of Apple products frequent. If that bothers you go elsewhere.
Then they can show the two Fire owners getting buyer's remorse when they realize they have to pay nearly a hundred bucks a year each for Prime, they have a small number of apps to download, can't use apps that require an accelerometer, can't take pictures or video, can't Skype, can't surf the web without Wifi, can't do anything that requires more than two fingers for input, can't read it at the beach or in any bright sunlight (a former selling point of the Kindle), can't store more than 8GB worth of media (which sucks I'd you're gonna be out camping or somewhere without Wifi), and can't even turn the volume up or down without using the onscreen controls (which can be touchy on most touchscreen devices).
The iPad is great, but makes a horrible e-reader. The Kindle is all around superior for that function.
No camera and no microphone? Excuse me?
The iPad is great, but makes a horrible e-reader. The Kindle is all around superior for that function.
Kindle Fire will not sell 10 million units in a quarter, ever.
Haven't read through all the comments, so sorry if this has been repeated.
For those eyeing this for a real purchase, I want to inform you of some of the detailed specs behind this device. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to bash the Fire, I just wish to inform those who are expecting a real tablet, because the Fire is not one.
Amazon released this for a stopgate because it wasn't ready to release its "real" tablet. This is essentially a tweaked Blackberry Playbook running android 2.1, with half the memory and storage space. It was built and outsourced to the major ODM Quanta. Amazon's kindle team was busy with next gen kindles so they couldnt design their own tablet in time for the holiday season. So they outsourced it..
This is not a full fledged android tablet, like I said it running 2.1 and thats where it ends. It doesn't have the same functionality as a real android tablet. It's a complete closed garden wall experience, more so than iOS. You browse the web off of a compressed feed from amazon's SC2 servers. You don't connect to the web directly. That may be why browsing is faster, as Amazon's servers are caching the web and streaming it to you, leaving you tablet's hardware free to do whatever..Its running Amazon's custom silk browser. You get your movies and music from Amazon Prime and its video rental and cloud services. It is unknown if you can load content directly, locally (USB storage mode).
For those who know what this is, an e-reader with a few tablet like features (music/web/movies) and you still want to buy it, go ahead. Just know the real version will be out shortly next year.
For those expecting a tablet experience for $200, you're better off trying to find an HP Touchpad, because a full tablet this is not.
For those wanting to test it before you buy..go pick up a blackberry playbook..Because thats what the fire is..cept using an old version of android w/ half the ram.
source 1
source 2
Man, you people can't grab a concept if it had velcro on it. I never said the Fire was not a great product or that Amazon would not sell tons of them. I said the Fire is not a direct competitor to the iPad anymore than, say a Chevy is to a BMW. Both companies sell tons of product but they don't share demographics.
It's quite likely that the Fire and iPad will coexist just fine.
- if the OS isn't 'buggy'
- if the battery life is relatively accurate
- if SILK actually does improve the mobile browsing experience
Then the FIRE will be a formidable competitor. The price point, plus a brand name that I imagine most people trust more than even HP, RIM, Samsung etc.. and actually associate with media content, all make for killer reasons to buy one.
On paper this is the first tablet i've seen that actually stands a chance of beating the iPad. And if and when they announce a 3G version for $279, I think the iPad will really start to lose market dominance to the potential casual user.
But, will 8GB be enough? I'd say so for my parents, but people who travel a lot? and like to keep 1-2 seasons and 2-3 movies? and is 7" big enough to really enjoy a film or browse a webpage comfortably? Amazon won't be able to improve on those specs without losing that sweet spot of $200, which i'm assuming they're doing at a loss, and because they only have 8GB of flash memory?
I guess the iPad will still be the best tablet for someone who truly benefits from a tablet, but the Fire will nicely fill that gap between the iPod Touch and the iPad.
I am an Apple fan-boy, but truth be told I didn't really like how nobody could come close to toppling the iPad, it's like the bully of the playground, not even the BIG companies with excessive resources could muster any level of fear. Is the iPad truly cutting edge? is technology moving as fast as it really could? as long as the general public believe whatever Apple comes out with is as good as it gets, then there is less chance for competitors to shine, and less reason for Apple to really pull out the big guns and invest even more of their profit into R&D etc.. I admit i certainly have Apple Tunnel Vision, I barely even bother checking out what competitors have to offer, but kudos to Amazon for announcing a product that will hopefully really rustle some feathers, and if anything drive Apple to make the iPad 3 (and iPad Mini?) really, really cool, and really affordable.. $499 for 16gb Wifi.. just always felt that little bit too expensive... hint, hint.
It's one of those things where you just have to try it. And not just noodle with it for 2 minutes in an Apple store and say "I've experienced it". Removing keyboard and mouse out of the equation and making things happen with a finger or two is simply a completely different way of computing. Your post conveys that you just haven't spent much time with an iPad.... I don't understand the people who love the iPad. I acknowledge them. They can buy what they want. Buy I am not them. I don't understand them. I walk into a store and see a $399 laptop and think to myself, "why would someone buy an iPad." I just don't get it...
How much per year do iPad owners spend on iTunes content? Remember you don't have to buy Prime membership to use the Fire. You can still stream all your Netflix, Hulu, Youtube content through this. You are a typical iFanboy hating on the competition.
I am in the opposition on this one. I have tried three Kindle's and just can't read on them. I read at least one hour a day on the iPad.
Remember the "Mac vs PC" ads? Don't see those running for a while. I guess Windows 7 being such a phenomenal hit quashed that. It just seems to me that Apple has aimed for the "douchebag" segment until recently.
It's one of those things where you just have to try it. And not just noodle with it for 2 minutes in an Apple store and say "I've experienced it". Removing keyboard and mouse out of the equation and making things happen with a finger or two is simply a completely different way of computing. Your post conveys that you just haven't spent much time with an iPad.
Do eBay and The Marketplace count for iPads once the new model comes out?If you think the Kindle line-up is well priced now, just wait until all these "impulse" purchases show up on garage sales next spring.
At Amazon's price point, I believe the iPad and Kindle Fire can co-exist very peacefully. Apple got out of the low-cost game a long time ago.
Apple is good at building premium products and a premium price. Amazon is good at building simple products at a very competitive price.
Image
So, if estimates are correct that Amazon is losing up to $50 per device, what are they getting out of this product that they couldn't get by giving $50 per device to Samsung in exchange for app placement? It has to be about the data collection, right?