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Teach them how to read? I would never allow my kids to watch 8 hours of video on anything. Not even my iPad.

The kids can also look out the window...it's called real life and the graphics are stunning and in HD.
 
The iPad forum of this site won't even allow discussions regarding the Fire and it's relation to future iPads (something they've never done with other competitors). It's odd because it seems this is may be the competitor that Apple fans have been egging on for so long. So now that it's here then why not evaluate/discuss it for what it is rather than find ways to criticize what it's not.


I've both recommended and turned people away friends from buying iPads because the iPad is a costly gadget that doesn't fit everyone's lifestyle or budget. I've also told many friends that the Touchpad isn't what they want even at $100 because price is only a part of what makes an intelligent purchase decision. The people I recommended iPads to love it, but the ones I dissuaded would probably be very happy with a $200 kindle fire because it's not only about apps and hype. Sometimes it's about the ecosystem and for many then Amazon offers exactly what they need.

Maybe you should go amazon rumors.com :D
 
Get over it

This happens to be a Apple-centric website where people who are fans of Apple products frequent. If that bothers you go elsewhere.

If the fact that others don't believe in binary terms as you do bothers you, don't agree. But don't you dare tell me to go elsewhere!

The fact that I've been in technology since before the IBM PC and am heavily invested in Apple technologies, Windows technologies and Amazon technologies gives me the right to offer my opinions, perspectives and perceptions of topics [unnecessary language removed].

Like I said, get over it. And your "go elsewhere" snipe is so reminiscent of the old "America--Love It Or Leave It" hateful trollop from the old "pinko commie" days.
 
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Then they can show the two Fire owners getting buyer's remorse when they realize they have to pay nearly a hundred bucks a year each for Prime, they have a small number of apps to download, can't use apps that require an accelerometer, can't take pictures or video, can't Skype, can't surf the web without Wifi, can't do anything that requires more than two fingers for input, can't read it at the beach or in any bright sunlight (a former selling point of the Kindle), can't store more than 8GB worth of media (which sucks I'd you're gonna be out camping or somewhere without Wifi), and can't even turn the volume up or down without using the onscreen controls (which can be touchy on most touchscreen devices).

You must have not read many peoples posts or are just not going to accept the fact that there is a LARGE market for a device like this. And those in that market are the people who don't care about any of the things you are going to bash this device for it not being able to do. Once again, for $200, lots of people are going to buy this for an email, web surfing, and maybe some reading device. A lot.

This is similar to the way I don't understand the people who love the iPad. I acknowledge them. They can buy what they want. Buy I am not them. I don't understand them. I walk into a store and see a $399 laptop and think to myself, "why would someone buy an iPad." I just don't get it. I don't want to type on a touch keyboard. I don't want to buy a stand for something, when I can buy a laptop that folds open and is its own stand. But I don't talk trash on people who like iPads. At least, I do my best not to. Sometimes it is very hard with the posts I read when I visit these forums.
 
The iPad is great, but makes a horrible e-reader. The Kindle is all around superior for that function.

As mentioned below, I'm not talking about the Fire.
 
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No camera and no microphone? Excuse me?

My $400 g1 iPad has no 3G, Camera or Microphone and it works just fine. There simply is no use for those features for me and few million others.

If this runs TouchOSC then i'll buy one.

It is very easy to say that if it runs Angry Birds it will be a HUGE hit in xmas.
 
Haven't read through all the comments, so sorry if this has been repeated.


For those eyeing this for a real purchase, I want to inform you of some of the detailed specs behind this device. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to bash the Fire, I just wish to inform those who are expecting a real tablet, because the Fire is not one.


Amazon released this for a stopgate because it wasn't ready to release its "real" tablet. This is essentially a tweaked Blackberry Playbook running android 2.1, with half the memory and storage space. It was built and outsourced to the major ODM Quanta. Amazon's kindle team was busy with next gen kindles so they couldnt design their own tablet in time for the holiday season. So they outsourced it..

This is not a full fledged android tablet, like I said it running 2.1 and thats where it ends. It doesn't have the same functionality as a real android tablet. It's a complete closed garden wall experience, more so than iOS. You browse the web off of a compressed feed from amazon's SC2 servers. You don't connect to the web directly. That may be why browsing is faster, as Amazon's servers are caching the web and streaming it to you, leaving you tablet's hardware free to do whatever..Its running Amazon's custom silk browser. You get your movies and music from Amazon Prime and its video rental and cloud services. It is unknown if you can load content directly, locally (USB storage mode).


For those who know what this is, an e-reader with a few tablet like features (music/web/movies) and you still want to buy it, go ahead. Just know the real version will be out shortly next year.

For those expecting a tablet experience for $200, you're better off trying to find an HP Touchpad, because a full tablet this is not.



For those wanting to test it before you buy..go pick up a blackberry playbook..Because thats what the fire is..cept using an old version of android w/ half the ram.

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Tenks, excellent post.

It is what it is......
 
Man, you people can't grab a concept if it had velcro on it. I never said the Fire was not a great product or that Amazon would not sell tons of them. I said the Fire is not a direct competitor to the iPad anymore than, say a Chevy is to a BMW. Both companies sell tons of product but they don't share demographics.

It's quite likely that the Fire and iPad will coexist just fine.

thing is, in a world where there was only BMW, Chevy (or ford) is in fact a competitor. I, a customer who would never see myself buying the ipad, is actually considering ordering 2 of them + a 79 kindle to my hotel next trip to the states. I am hardly the only one -- and, more importantly, many will ask: why should i pay 599 instead of 199 if i wont use any of the added features anyway...
 
The Kindle Fire will sell incredibly well. Tens and millions of people visit Amazon.com everyday, the Fire will be on the homepage.
 
- if the OS isn't 'buggy'
- if the battery life is relatively accurate
- if SILK actually does improve the mobile browsing experience

Then the FIRE will be a formidable competitor. The price point, plus a brand name that I imagine most people trust more than even HP, RIM, Samsung etc.. and actually associate with media content, all make for killer reasons to buy one.

On paper this is the first tablet i've seen that actually stands a chance of beating the iPad. And if and when they announce a 3G version for $279, I think the iPad will really start to lose market dominance to the potential casual user.

But, will 8GB be enough? I'd say so for my parents, but people who travel a lot? and like to keep 1-2 seasons and 2-3 movies? and is 7" big enough to really enjoy a film or browse a webpage comfortably? Amazon won't be able to improve on those specs without losing that sweet spot of $200, which i'm assuming they're doing at a loss, and because they only have 8GB of flash memory?

I guess the iPad will still be the best tablet for someone who truly benefits from a tablet, but the Fire will nicely fill that gap between the iPod Touch and the iPad.

I am an Apple fan-boy, but truth be told I didn't really like how nobody could come close to toppling the iPad, it's like the bully of the playground, not even the BIG companies with excessive resources could muster any level of fear. Is the iPad truly cutting edge? is technology moving as fast as it really could? as long as the general public believe whatever Apple comes out with is as good as it gets, then there is less chance for competitors to shine, and less reason for Apple to really pull out the big guns and invest even more of their profit into R&D etc.. I admit i certainly have Apple Tunnel Vision, I barely even bother checking out what competitors have to offer, but kudos to Amazon for announcing a product that will hopefully really rustle some feathers, and if anything drive Apple to make the iPad 3 (and iPad Mini?) really, really cool, and really affordable.. $499 for 16gb Wifi.. just always felt that little bit too expensive... hint, hint.

when you think of 8gb, you have to remember that you have a full blown - unlimited - cloud storage at your disposal. For 96% of the customers, i'd say that is more than enough --- and, its not like you wont be able to find a wifi connection to swap your materials in 96% of the countries (youd want to visit) in the world.
 
... I don't understand the people who love the iPad. I acknowledge them. They can buy what they want. Buy I am not them. I don't understand them. I walk into a store and see a $399 laptop and think to myself, "why would someone buy an iPad." I just don't get it...
It's one of those things where you just have to try it. And not just noodle with it for 2 minutes in an Apple store and say "I've experienced it". Removing keyboard and mouse out of the equation and making things happen with a finger or two is simply a completely different way of computing. Your post conveys that you just haven't spent much time with an iPad.
 
Its good enough at that price

I have used a few non iPad tablets and the touch response time is not as good as the iPad for gaming but if this one is better it will be a good tablet to recommend for people that don't have or want an iPad.

If it takes sales away from Apple it will be a good thing to get Apple to lower the prices on ios devises instead of finding ways to make them go up every year. They had to create a cheaper Apple TV and macbook air and mac mini. Now is a good time for them to build a better cheaper iPad. To me its one of those devises you need more than one of around the house if you have kids.

And I am glad the Kindle is a good competitor because any post pc device that does all a PC can do (for the basic user) means one less PC sold. Their creating their own destruction with these devices. The better tablets get the less you need a PC at all.
 
How much per year do iPad owners spend on iTunes content? Remember you don't have to buy Prime membership to use the Fire. You can still stream all your Netflix, Hulu, Youtube content through this. You are a typical iFanboy hating on the competition.

Oh, the Netflix and Hulu Plus content you also have to pay over a hundred bucks a year for? There is no reoccurring fee to use iTunes or the App Store. You buy what you want when you want it (or get all free apps if you so choose), and it doesn't go away when you stop paying.
 
If you like saving more money, go with Amazon.

If you like losing more money, go with Apple.


^^ I don't mean that last statement to be derogatory. There are many consumers who want more quality will gladly pay more. But at the same time, those sheep will blindly buy anything with the Apple logo stamped on it. Apple is only one that is popular enough to price gouge their consumers. They did this with the first iPod for $500. Or the first iPhone for $600 with contract. Or the first cheapest iPad for $500.

Think about it. Amazon is probably LOSING money for every hardware sold. Apple makes money for every hardware sold. When Sony was losing $200 for each PS3 sold back in 2006, people thought they were so greedy for selling it for $600. When the iPhone only cost like $180 to make, people salivate it even with a $700 non-contract price-tag.

While some competitors might look greedy, it becomes "high quality" (while being made in China) to Apple and their zealots. Double standard.
 
I am in the opposition on this one. I have tried three Kindle's and just can't read on them. I read at least one hour a day on the iPad.

you do know, however, that theres plenty research done on e-ink stating that readability of an e-ink devices is comparable (sometimes even better) than reading a book. Studies that have taken both subjective opinion and eye-movement scanning as data capturing methods. Quite honestly, the ipad is the inferior choice here (esp. ipad 1).
 
Remember the "Mac vs PC" ads? Don't see those running for a while. I guess Windows 7 being such a phenomenal hit quashed that. It just seems to me that Apple has aimed for the "douchebag" segment until recently.

Additionally, I think Apple is playing much friendlier with Microsoft recently since they have both viewed Google as a common enemy and Apple likes the effort by Microsoft to make Office for Mac as mac-like as possible and as compatible with the windows version of Office as possible. MS Office for Mac really makes that decision to buy a Mac much easier for lots of folks.

I suspect once Windows 8 hits the market, things will change a bit since Windows 8 has the potential of putting Microsoft front-and-center as Apple's #1 competitor again. When these two companies go head to head they have rarely play nice.
 
It's one of those things where you just have to try it. And not just noodle with it for 2 minutes in an Apple store and say "I've experienced it". Removing keyboard and mouse out of the equation and making things happen with a finger or two is simply a completely different way of computing. Your post conveys that you just haven't spent much time with an iPad.

It's not for everyone. I find a keyboard and mouse both more comfortable and easy to use. Everytime I use a tablet, I'm reminded of why I love my MacBook Air so much.

At the price I got the TouchPad and the price of this Fire ? Makes sense for people like me who just want a sort of throwaway device for a quick fix. An iPad is out of the question, no way can I justify the kind of money it costs for what I would end up doing with it.
 
So, if estimates are correct that Amazon is losing up to $50 per device, what are they getting out of this product that they couldn't get by giving $50 per device to Samsung in exchange for app placement? It has to be about the data collection, right?
 
At Amazon's price point, I believe the iPad and Kindle Fire can co-exist very peacefully. Apple got out of the low-cost game a long time ago.

Apple is good at building premium products and a premium price. Amazon is good at building simple products at a very competitive price.

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Amazon isn't really in the market of building simple products considering the Kindle is their only product, ever.
But this is kind of Amazing that Amazon is able to do this. Let's wait for the hands on but the video demonstration looks very good for a $200 device.

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So, if estimates are correct that Amazon is losing up to $50 per device, what are they getting out of this product that they couldn't get by giving $50 per device to Samsung in exchange for app placement? It has to be about the data collection, right?

Uh, they are getting Samsung not building a crappy device with their own software. Amazon needs more control than just having a Kindle App bundled with a Galaxy Tab.

Let's also see how many of these devices Amazon can actually make. It isn't an iPad competitor if it comes out in November and they can only make 100,000 a month.
 
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