Shame, especially since the iPod touch can do it at about the same price point (not to mention the iPod classic and previous nanos that were even cheaper than $199). Does a feature like that really add much to the cost?
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Amazon Set to Unveil $199 'Kindle Fire' Tablet
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Shame, especially since the iPod touch can do it at about the same price point (not to mention the iPod classic and previous nanos that were even cheaper than $199). Does a feature like that really add much to the cost?
probably not, but amazon does not care, remember the fire is a handheld amazon portal FIRST, a limited feature tablet second.
that seems more like a problem with how magazines are designed, than the 7" screen per se. Look at the work done with Mag+, something like that could easily be done to fit the 7" experience too.
(iphone apps arent very sexy on ipads. same reason.)
True, but video output is a feature that adds value to the portal (video streaming) aspect.
I disagree.
Apple for instance don't want you to know all the specs of the iPad 2. But they are willing to tell you it does everything you want to much better then the iPad 1. There is no mass spec-promotion for the iPad. Only mass "how much this iPad is better then the last iPad" promotion.
But the competition does compete and promote their tablet specs in detail.
And who is better? Apple or the competition? I'll let the tablet sales answer that one.
And Amazon with the Fire is also following Apple's path here. Advertising what you can do with the product heavily. And what specs it has only a little.
How much RAM does the Fire have?
What is the speed on the dual core CPU in the Fire?
Is the Fire CPU Arm?
All very basic stuff Amazon does not want to tell us.
The competition failed cause no proper content eco system. And they performed horribly at what they were supposed to do. Regardless of the specs. If one of the competition tablet makers forget max specs and just made a tablet where everything they said should work on it actually did work really well. You'd be surprised at how many more sales they'd get. It doesn't matter how goods the specs are. If the content runs like a dog on it, no one will buy it.
And that's what the competition forgets.
Yes their core business is the best specs. But people want their content to work regardless of specs.
Do you mean "Machine Learning" here? I'm not sure. Cause if you do that has nothing to do with Amazon Cloud. And it does affect the user with more bandwidth being used. The user might not notice it but it's there.
But I'm a little lost at what you are referring to here.
KF has capacitive screens, so does pretty much everyone else (e.g. some exceptions in the budget segment, and stylus driven devices).
You, sir, fail.
p.s. metal != quality.
Remember when the original Kindle debuted at $400 back in November of 2007? Components have really come down in the last 4 years! 
Remember when the original Kindle debuted at $400 back in November of 2007? Components have really come down in the last 4 years!
What's your point (with the eyeroll). That Amazon saw that they entered the market at a price point they needed to adjust and then pretty quickly made that adjustment to get their product into people's hands?
One would call that smart marketing and business. Actually - most would.
Who cares what app store you access, as long as apps are available? I have an Android device (as well multiple iOS devices) and have never used Google's Android Market. I have no interest in dealing with Google for apps. The "version" of the app is not different. Yep, so there may be a tiny subset of users who might need to re-purchase a few apps.
Going back to my original comment, which was about how the Fire is not "more locked down than an iPad", I think it is wonderful that there might be competing app stores. Far better for the consumer than Apple's closed and locked down ecosystem. If Amazon starts selling millions of these, Google may have to rethink some of their Market and license approaches.
Remember when the original Kindle debuted at $400 back in November of 2007? Components have really come down in the last 4 years!
Remember when the original iPhone debuted at $600 back in June 2007? Components have really come down in less than 2 months!
Why would you even want all Androids apps? Heck, when i saw that they had 10000 i said to myself: Why so many?
The average user has like 10 apps, and many of these are shared with others. 80% of the users probably use way less than 20% of the apps. Sure, it might scare away one or two customers who really needs their niche fetish apps, but for the average consumer less is actually more.
Second, given the common root between this and Android, development and porting should be piss easy for dev's already invested in the ecosystem. You'd need to see extensive fragmentation before that will ever become an issue.
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perhaps they just dont want DOJ come knocking?
Anyway, what you fail to realize is that they - by providing the hardware - will be able to give the user a richer experience anyway, beating competition simply by offering a better solution. That way they can not only hold on to existing customers, they can also convert those using other services as they get to test out and see what Amazon is offering. Very simple.
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And why would Amazon just stop if this turns out to be a great success and they can connect with content owners in europe etc? Things like these usually happen step-by-step - and yes, that is also true for Apple.
p.s. i live in Sweden and unless its gonna be really ****** outside of the states im picking it up when i swing by HI this winter. Ill probably get a touch too. Cheap cheap!
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real answer is, he doesn't know. only time will give us an answer. theres no technical reason why it shouldnt be able to do it as far as i can see from the limited specs given.
(edit: ok, i could've been clearer that OEMs in my post referred to "the other tablet makers". Still quite evident that im not talking about apple)
BECAUSE ITS THE PRIMARY WAY FOR THEM TO BE DIFFERENT.
if 20 dudes are selling vanilla ice-cream, all looking the same, guess what theyll start pitching? ingredients. same thing here really.
**** man, did you even read the post?
Neither, per se. I'll let pc sales answer that one.
Yeah, Apple created everything... we know that.
Next time, read what i say. If you dont understand it, please dont comment.
That was your last point 4, right? (Yes, obviously).
1) It has everything to do with amazons cloud. the whole browser is powered by amazons cloud.
2) No, your bandwidth isnt changed by anything that happens on Amazons cloud. Its preloaded in the cloud. You know... far from your device. Remote. On Mars. What do i need to write to make you understand what the cloud is, and that it doesnt affect your device?
Basically this is what happens. You walk in to a store. I walk up asking you what you're looking for. A shirt you say. Fine, try this out. I hand you the shirt and point you to the fitting room. While you're in there trying the shirt on, smart as i am i realize that you might want a tie with that shirt. After all, you have a history of buying ties on a regular basis. As you walk out, and i say -- excellent, sir. I ask, how 'bout a new silk tie? It'll match that shirt of yours perfectly!
Now, tell me where the hell in this scenario you (the client) is affected by me (the server) pre-fetching (pre-loading) things, that you (the client) might want?
I apologize for the harsh tone, but i've been jumping airports all day, and i have a hard time cooping with people that dont even try to listen.
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its says explicitly how to acquire them: "...are available to stream or download, purchase or rent".
You pay for them... stunning concept, huh? =)
Really, you should've said: I didnt understand. Apple is not a hardware producer. Second, they have an entire OS to themselves; Apple is differentiated by default.
Which perhaps would be relevant if you understood what you were commenting.
BECAUSE ITS THE PRIMARY WAY FOR THEM TO BE DIFFERENT.
if 20 dudes are selling vanilla ice-cream, all looking the same, guess what theyll start pitching? ingredients. same thing here really.
**** man, did you even read the post?
Neither, per se. I'll let pc sales answer that one.
Yeah, Apple created everything... we know that.
Next time, read what i say. If you dont understand it, please dont comment.
That was your last point 4, right? (Yes, obviously).
1) It has everything to do with amazons cloud. the whole browser is powered by amazons cloud.
2) No, your bandwidth isnt changed by anything that happens on Amazons cloud. Its preloaded in the cloud. You know... far from your device. Remote. On Mars. What do i need to write to make you understand what the cloud is, and that it doesnt affect your device?
Basically this is what happens. You walk in to a store. I walk up asking you what you're looking for. A shirt you say. Fine, try this out. I hand you the shirt and point you to the fitting room. While you're in there trying the shirt on, smart as i am i realize that you might want a tie with that shirt. After all, you have a history of buying ties on a regular basis. As you walk out, and i say -- excellent, sir. I ask, how 'bout a new silk tie? It'll match that shirt of yours perfectly!
Now, tell me where the hell in this scenario you (the client) is affected by me (the server) pre-fetching (pre-loading) things, that you (the client) might want?
I apologize for the harsh tone, but i've been jumping airports all day, and i have a hard time cooping with people that dont even try to listen.
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its says explicitly how to acquire them: "...are available to stream or download, purchase or rent".
You pay for them... stunning concept, huh? =)
No, but it does AirPlay!
I Jest... couldn't resist, but oh- wouldn't that just stick a needle in someone's craw
It will be disappointing if Amazon won't allow Netflix & Hulu apps on their Appstore. I can still watch those through my iPad 2.
I know what OEM means. I knew exactly what you were referring to there.
I did understand exactly. Apple are a hardware vendor. It does not matter that Foxconn factories make the iPads and Samaung and others supply the parts.
And the OS is part of the eco system people want when they buy the iPad. A big selling point.
I did all apart from the bottom part which I sort of got cause it was not exactly clear but I tried my best.
Watch the language thanks. Not needed.
I did read your post. And took the time to comment on it. Just like you read mine and took the time to comment on it.
And to use your analogy. Ice cream is supposed to be cold. But only 1-2 of the ice cream sellers are selling ice-cream that is actually working (Ie cold ice cream). The rest are selling not working ice cream (ie molten warm slush).
Get the tablets to work well first. Then pitch the specs 2nd. That's why all the competitors failed. The Fire though looks like it's trying to avoid the competitors mistakes.
You do know the iPad with iOS 5 and the Fire are PCs.
And Apple is winning the PC sales. Highest profits from PC sales. The competition forget it's not all about number of sales. It's about the most cash. Apple just worked out in the Non-tablet PC market how to make more money from selling less numbers of PCs.
Apple created nothing. We both know this. Apple just took what already exists and re-engineered it and sold the results for billions. Apple used this non tech spec way to sell the tablets and it worked. Not the first to do it but the first to do it successfully on a mass scale. And Amazon is doing the same.
I did understand. So I commented.
I agree with you here. But the issue of it pre-downloading and caching to the device still exists.
I will tell you. because it's lumping everyone into the same boat. X% of people followed this link after visiting this page so we'll pre download it and cache it for you. But what if you don't want to visit that pre-cached link? Then it's wasted bandwidth.
This is like the store telling me which tie to buy with my shirt I chose. And I am forced to pay for it. Even if I don't like it or use it. The comparison being the pre-downloaded and cached data uses bandwidth. Which costs money. So even if you don't visit the link. The kilobytes or whatever used to pre-download can not be gotten back. Not everyone will have the same internet browsing habits. So it's visit the pre-downloaded and cached link or have the bandwidth used and wasted.[/quote]
Thank you for the apology. And it is accepted.
And yes I also have a hard time with people who refuse to listen. But since you and I did read and try to understand each other's posts, that's not an issue right.
It does not say how you stream or download, purchase or rent them. Because you can do all of these things with Amazon Prime and it's Amazon Instant Video service.
I just assumed you stream or download, purchase or rent them all from Amazon Prime and it's Amazon Instant Video service. Maybe I'm wrong. And is there other ways to get the content on the kindle? I would assume so but they didn't say. And the average joe would as likely think along the same lines.
Not according to Bobby Singer (Supernatural):
Bobby: I asked for a computer.
Sam: It is a computer.
Bobby: No, a computer has buttons.
That's the clincher though. Amazon isn't allowing Android market, but their offerings are growing leaps and bounds. They're just careful to omit things that threaten their building an echo system like video apps, music apps, other book apps, etc. Of what they are offering though, the price is often less than the Android market. It might not be a huge difference, but it all adds up. Apple can brag about the number of available apps, but at a point the Apple App store gets to feeling like a flea market/thrift store. There's tons of stuff inside, but you could spend hours sifting through it all to only find a few winners. Amazon seems so far to be sorting out garabge and only going after decent apps.
I wonder if the rumor of Netflix splitting off to merge with Amazon is true. that would be killer.
They were going to watch sales of the 7" reportedly. Personally, I could care less about anything it's missing hardware wise. No one actually uses those features. Face Time? I played with it once or twice, but like the majority of people, I'm not down the video chat. (Which is why in 20 years it's never taken off.) Bluetooth/3G are more glaring omissions IMO. With Amazon, I think the issue is they set a precedent with the Kindle for FREE 3G service, and they obviously can't do that with the Fire line. They need to prove the device, and then offer it to mobile carriers who have turned cold to most tablets because of poor sales. (Except the iPad.)
Not true at all, IMO. Amazon has an amazing echo system that tends to be CHEAPER for content that Apple. Where Apple was better was integration of their system. Amazon did great with Kindle books, not this gives them a platform for integration of ALL their content, which require you to visit Amazon.com before, use clunky webs apps, etc. If I could have a simpler, one click sync way for music, I would NEVER buy music from iTunes. I won't penny pinch 10 cents a track because it's too inconvenient to run around the world for a dime, but when Amazon sells an entire album at half iTunes price, oh yeah.
What does competing with the iPad really come down to though? The iPad is at the end of the day, a content device. Can you get office-eque apps? Yeah. Photo editing? You bet cha. Movie editing? OH yeah.... but when someone actually tries to do those things on a tablet, they find the limitation of a tablet. Tablets can offer a great interface and a way of interacting with your work, but that's also the draw back. All those things I mentioned are often a multitasking affair, things better suited for a full blown pc. So I wouldn't say it's not a competitor to the iPad.
90% of what people do on tablets is email, web, games, and consume content, which is 100% of what the Fire does.
Nobody cares about the Kindle Fiire and there are 1100 posts to prove it.
LTD is a butt-humping homo from Canada who wants to suck Steve Jobs decrepid cock.
LTD is a butt-humping homo from Canada who wants to suck Steve Jobs decrepid cock.
Hmm. Plex is available on the Amazon App Store. So is Rdio. So is Slacker. So is.
Netflix and Hulu (two biggies) don't appear. But that's not written in stone for the future...
If you did, why spend an entire post talking about what Apple can do - when i was putting forward an argument why "OEMs" (as in "the other tablet makers") couldnt do the same -- and why speccs is "all they have" (while, as shown, not entirely true... but still).
No, you didnt. Apple sells you the Apple experience. Samsung sells you the Android experience in a Samsung shell. For obvious reason, Samsung has to place its primary focus on the shell (i.e. the thing that makes there product different). This oft-times means speccs.
A selling point others cannot make (as they share OS). Hence, they have to focus on speccs. Its "all" they have.
please try to stick with the analogy here, instead of going away somewhere entirely different. at least until you understand the main argument here. It doesnt even matter if the rest are all selling "not working ice cream". Theres still a bunch (20-1) guys selling it. And they have to differentiate their product offering visavi the other 18 "not working ice cream"-makers. Hence, focus on "ingredients" as differentiating factor.
Working or not, they are still in competition with each other, and as such they need to show how their products are better (than the other "non-working"-vendors).
Useless nitpicking.
No, MSFT is.
Good for them, but i doubt MSFT has any complaints having +90% of the market. (And, they are beating Apple in profit-revenue ratio.
Its hardly rocket science that high-margins exist in the premium segments. Second, lack of competition on the software side means they dont have to worry as much about margin-pressure as result of competition (upside of having a monopoly).
And it worked because they, as stated, have exclusive rights to the apple sphere. Had they not, chances are they would have to push other features harder (such as speccs), and also experience margin-pressure (something they have experience of already, with the shortlived licensing of OS x)
These things are like Business 101.
If you did understand you wouldnt keep arguing. You would understand that while Apple is doing great not marketing speccs, others may not have the same luxory.
Sigh. Its pre-loading on the cloud. The cloud is off-loading the client, not overloading it. This hooks in to the whole Browser idea, where the server (cloud) always does muscle-work while browsing, meaning that LESS data has to be pushed to the device (leading to a) less data usage b) higher speeds).
(1) You say "go to Macrumors". (2) Server reads page*, rewrites it to save on data, (3) sends it to you. (4) Smart as it is, it also pre-reads the top thread, and "older posts" page; i.e. it performs the (2), but never does the (3). No caching is happening client-side, its all server-side. And, the key reason for why this makes sense in first place is what happens in (2). Without (2) there would be some minor benefits still, but not as much. Also, pre-reading means that the client - if it asks for "the right stuff" - doesnt have to wait for server to read and rewrite (making the browsing even faster).
* actually (2) is: If page is pre-read, go to (3) - else, read page and rewrite.
For Amazon, yes. For you, no. See above. There is no (3) happening. That happens when you ask for data. Only then. You will never - ever - download anything you didnt ask for to your device. Not one single bit.
No. You are not forced to pay for it. Jesus Christ. What store forces you to buy something? If you dont buy it, i wasted time fetching the tie (if you dont click on expected links, Amazon pre-loaded all for nothing). You waste nothing. Nothing at all. Heck, the only flaw in the analogy here is that you're actually bothered by me asking you about the tie. Amazon doesnt ask. It just has it behind its back, waiting for you to ask (and if you do, you get it instantly - you dont have to wait for me to get it... if you dont, no problem).
Amazon prime is a service that gets you access to x content (and various services). That is one way to get access to content. Other ways are traditional buying/leasing. So, how would you get it? Well, you enter their store on the device and buy/lease it.
I really dont get your question here. How many ways could you "download, purchase or rent"?
You dont. Amazon prime is an option. Traditional consumption another.
Agreed, those are the biggies and I'm fully expecting those apps to be there Nov 15th..
i just hope they would do the unexpected and use Sweden as a test-market for europe (we're commonly used that way, as we have proven to have kick-ass taste and are techie by nature).
right now, everyone is trying to do their p.o.s. reader and yeah... end result is just awful. swedes love to read, and if anyone can straighten out this mess its someone like amazon.
second wet dream, unlimited access to amazon content for a fixed fee. id gladly pay a couple of hundred us per year for that. then again, i'm not average joe when it comes to consumption, so go figure :- )
...that said, i think im gonna buy a fire and a touch anyway. i hardly read swedish books anyway, and, if i wanted to get something from the library its probably compatible anyway.
I used to buy most of my music from iTunes but I have to say Amazon is the place to go for deals. Every month they have 100 $5 albums and new release deal of the day for $3.99. Just picked up the Kills Blood Pressures as one of the $5 monthly specials--plus they tweeted a $2 off coupon.
Here it is if you're interested:
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I make it a point to buy music on Amazon unless I really want the digital booklet and it's only on iTunes. I hate that these digital booklets are iTunes-exclusive!
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