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What do you mean? What would we do without 137 programs that turn the camera LED on so that you can use the Iphone as a flashlight?

The killer app would be the one that lets you use the Iphone as a fleshlight, though....

Pfft, I don't need no stinkin' app. That's what Steve Jobs made the headphone jack for.
 
If $100 Android tablets and the $200 Nook Color didn't destroy the market for the Fire, then the Fire isn't going to destroy the market for others that come after it.

Amazon isn't out to conquer the tablet market, any more than those newspapers who give tablets away free to longterm online subscribers.

Amazon's sole aim is to get more buyers of their services. Profit on the device sale itself is not the primary motive, unlike with Apple and other tablet sellers.

B&N is very similar, in that they don't really care how many Nooks they sell, as long as anyone who doesn't get one, does use their Nook app.

But Amazon is a completely different animal. The Kindle was a BIG selling product. Much more than the Nook.

They have already a distribution channel which is superior to many companies, they have built a great name to themselves in terms of costumer service, and above all, they have taken their time to come out with a tablet.

They first released the Kindle. It was a big hit. They continued evolving it and the consumers kept buying it. At this point, they were far from the tablet market, it was just a reading device.

Then they released their cloud service. Which, in my opinion, is superior to what Apple did with MobileMe. Let's accept it, they beat Apple at being the first in offering cloud services which are actually good enough to use. We are about to see how iCloud works, but even if it works OK, Amazon was there first.

And now they are releasing a tablet, which even tho it runs Android, I think it is very different from other tablets out there. This is the first real tablet out there which seems to be a "trend topic" because it is from Amazon, and the Android part is not even mentioned much. I wouldn't be surprised the majority of people don't even know Android is in there.

Time will tell if the user experience is good, but aside from the Samsung Galaxy, I haven't seen any other tablet get so much media coverage as the Kindle Fire. Except the iPad, of course. And the Galaxy has received media coverage because of its legal disputes with Apple, not because of the device itself.

Many times it has been said Apple is big because of the content. Samsung, Sony, Microsoft, etc. might come out with interesting ideas of tablets, but they don't have content. Amazon has content. They have music, books, movies, TV shows, magazines, etc. For the movies studios or the music studios, Amazon kind of seems like the ideal company to make a counterpart to Apple.

For the time Amazon has been in the hardware development section, I think they have done incredible things. To a lower scale, they did to the book industry what Apple did to the music industry. Since owning a Kindle, the amount of book I read has increased.

Don't get me wrong, I love my iPad. And I know I will always prefer it to any other tablet. I'm an Apple Fan. But I also own a Kindle, and use Amazon.com frequently. And I think Amazon could be the company which eventually grows out to be another story of success just like Apple is.
 
is the reduction in cost worth that much to you at purchase? for an extra $30 you can avoid the force-feed of the ads for the life of the unit.

i don't get it. budgets maybe?

You may have missed the 20 percent off select laptops from the special offers kindle....i dont even have a kindle and it saved me 200 dollars (enough to get two of them), thats why im getting the special offers one, simply because i can sell those coupons and it would cover the cost within a couple of months...
 
For a majority of iPad users - it's just an iTunes vending machine.

sadly the truth hurts... i got an ipad 2... only to find out that i use it mostly for games. LOL.....the ironic thing is that i never purchased anything on the app store untill i got an ipad 2 and started purchasing games....

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Two different discussions. Some people are insisting that Amazon is not being forthcoming about content delivery since it will "require" a $79 subscription for the streaming stuff + purchases. They base this on the fact that they assume the Fire will not be able to stream netflix, hulu, etc. But there's no evidence.

The iPad comes in both 3G and WiFi. I personally have the WiFi version - so this would be no different. And for many - no different.

Again - two separate discussions and both the iPad and Fire have different +s and -s.

yep.. i got the ipad 2 3g only to never use it...
 
Why would you even want all Androids apps? Heck, when i saw that they had 10000 i said to myself: Why so many?

The average user has like 10 apps, and many of these are shared with others. 80% of the users probably use way less than 20% of the apps. Sure, it might scare away one or two customers who really needs their niche fetish apps, but for the average consumer less is actually more.

Second, given the common root between this and Android, development and porting should be piss easy for dev's already invested in the ecosystem. You'd need to see extensive fragmentation before that will ever become an issue.
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wise wise wise..... so true man... i have 350 apps on my iphone... i use 5 on a daily basis.... the rest are for convenience... LOL

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Also this is a very good thread guys.... im impressed... i recently put my ipad on amazon to sale....wasnt using it enough to keep it... but now im debating if i should just get a kindle touch.... or keep the ipad 2.....i move around alot so im trying not to have to much money (in assets on me) lol....

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90% of what people do on tablets is email, web, games, and consume content, which is 100% of what the Fire does.

sick.. Lol you guys are making me rethink having an ipad .LOL for real...didnt realize how i dont use all the things that that ipad commercials say it can be used for... i have a computer so i dont watch movies on it.... and since its a mac all those things like pages etc... are already on my mac.1
 
The Significance of the Kindle Fire

I listen to several TWIT pod casts (MacBreak Weekly, Security Now, Windows Weekly, etc.). Today on Windows Weekly they were talking about the Kindle Fire, but only for a couple of minutes. That surprised me. I really think the Kindle Fire is a game changer and will siphon business away from the iPad. Both are media consumption devices with similar content ecosystems (app, books, movies, etc.), but once app development takes off for the Kindle I believe it will have the superior ecosystem. I think the days of Apple dominating the tablet market are coming to an end. Amazon will squeeze them on the lower end (media consumption) and Microsoft will squeeze them on the higher end (business and productivity). Apple will certainly be a major player, but it won't dominate the market. It'll be interesting to see how Apple responds.
 
How does Amazon do it? They're able to offer prices that makes me buy things I don't even want. Must resist urge....
 
She's right.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-2...iller-yes-its-the-price-stupid/?tag=rtcol;pop



Amazon isn't just in battle with Apple in the tablet space. Amazon is in full assault against several of its competitors including the battle of the e-Book reader space vs Barnes & Noble and online streaming vs Netflix. The battle with Netflix is an interesting one knowing how Netflix has spiraled and how the Hollywood Studios are the ones who really control the content and market.

It is estimated Amazon is losing about $50 for every Kindle Fire sold and then recouping it with services and their products. Kindle Fire really is a walking cash register for Amazon but it is no different than Google and Apple also supplying people with their content and services.

I only have a few questions with the Kindle Fire. The first one is when we are not around a Wi-Fi spot, how seamless and quick is it to download a movie and store them locally? And the other is really about the Amazon Silk browser. I need to see real world results and comparisons with that one.

Most people think $149-$249 is about right for a tablet price which is generally less than how they cost to make. Only two tablets intrigue me this year and they look almost the same. BlackBerry PlayBook or Kindle Fire. Will the PB have the same destiny as the TouchPad? Looks like it. Great OS, slow sales, no content. RIP RIM. I will be watching for any $99 fire sale and for sure won't miss out on it if it happens. A tablet that cost literally $250-$300 to make and we get it for $149-$199 is a good deal the more I think about it no matter if I never considered tablets an absolute necessity like phones and desktop computers.

When the big guns like Mossberg, Pogue, Baig all agree with her, its all over and Amazon will dominate the market. Apple had a good run but its over according to her and most reports I've read and heard on air. Really amazing how much the media loves this device over Apple devices.
 
the low prices... the buyer feels like hes getting a deal (which he is)

Not on groceries. They charge way more then you can buy at the local supermarket or Costco. However even though I pay maybe $.75/bottle more for a thing like body wash I'd rather do it on Amazon so I don't have to make a special trip to Target. I hate that place, with all the riffraff!
 
the low prices... the buyer feels like hes getting a deal (which he is)

They are on top of their game at enticing people with deals. I remember I went online to buy some earphones, and ended buying **** I didn't even need, because the deals were so so sweet.;)
 
but once app development takes off for the Kindle I believe it will have the superior ecosystem. I think the days of Apple dominating the tablet market are coming to an end.

I know people who bought the iPad2 just to have Skype, or play games.
I don't think you're going to have the same quality of apps on this as you are going to get on the iPad2.

It's a great product for amazons ecosystem. But I don't think it'll be the same with third party stuff.

And it's not taking anything away from the iPad until it's sold worldwide.
 
Ultimately, Kindle Fire will do very well with people who already have a good experience with the original Kindles and regularly do business with Amazon because of that initial product. (People like me.)

But, will it be attractive enough to those who have not owned a Kindle or buy media from Amazon's store instead of iTunes? That's where price will come in. Casual consumers, not tech-savvy people, will see price. (Or tech-savvy-but-poor people like me.)
 
This device is nowhere NEAR the iPad killer, and probably only going to sell because of the price. Reason: there probably isn't a way to store photos locally on the device and display them. Looking through all the photos and reviews of the Kindle Fire, I haven't seen any mention of the ability to store photos. This knocks out a HUGE market of people who's primary reason was to store photos. If somebody can prove otherwise with photographic proof, then I would love to see it.
 
I think I'm the only one that thinks this is an iPad killer. And by killer, I mean takes it's #1 spot as the market leader. As the Kindle Fire 2 and Fire 3 comes out, they will still be at that $199 price point. They will also get better and more feature packed. I don't think Apple will ever sell the iPad for less than $499. People love Amazon and it is one of the most visited sites on the internet, it will have the kindles on the homepage convincing visitors to buy it at all times.
 
I think I'm the only one that thinks this is an iPad killer. And by killer, I mean takes it's #1 spot as the market leader. As the Kindle Fire 2 and Fire 3 comes out, they will still be at that $199 price point. They will also get better and more feature packed. I don't think Apple will ever sell the iPad for less than $499. People love Amazon and it is one of the most visited sites on the internet, it will have the kindles on the homepage convincing visitors to buy it at all times.

You're not alone.
 
I think I'm the only one that thinks this is an iPad killer. And by killer, I mean takes it's #1 spot as the market leader. As the Kindle Fire 2 and Fire 3 comes out, they will still be at that $199 price point. They will also get better and more feature packed. I don't think Apple will ever sell the iPad for less than $499. People love Amazon and it is one of the most visited sites on the internet, it will have the kindles on the homepage convincing visitors to buy it at all times.

It will contend with iPad when it's launched worldwide (hint: never...).
 
I think I'm the only one that thinks this is an iPad killer. And by killer, I mean takes it's #1 spot as the market leader. As the Kindle Fire 2 and Fire 3 comes out, they will still be at that $199 price point. They will also get better and more feature packed. I don't think Apple will ever sell the iPad for less than $499. People love Amazon and it is one of the most visited sites on the internet, it will have the kindles on the homepage convincing visitors to buy it at all times.

I agree with you but I really don't want to discuss it with the "The Kindle Fire may not have a photo app - so it's useless" people.

We shall see what we shall see.
 
quote from Savor
"I only have a few questions with the Kindle Fire. The first one is when we are not around a Wi-Fi spot, how seamless and quick is it to download a movie and store them locally? And the other is really about the Amazon Silk browser. I need to see real world results and comparisons with that one."

when not around wifi it will not be downloading anything!

silk browser will not be that great.

Define great? It'll probably be top notch. More interestingly, however, is that its true worth comes once you move from wi-fi to 3g (and such). Generally, such a move equals slower speeds and more expensive data = silk makes more sense.

Wouldnt be surprised if we see a 3g version popping if this goes down well.... then again, it could be just about getting more data about us though.

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Fire does not have a 3G cell connection like some of the other Kindles, so it can only connect by wifi and, presumably though this has not been highlighted, USB cord.

I do agree with the article you quote. I think this slaughtered the other android tablets. Who is going to stay in this space? Keep in mind that this is just Amazon's first Fire. The next Fire is significantly better and possibly cheaper. Samsung, you don't want to fight a $200 tablet? How are you going to like Fire 2 which will be $175? How about Fire 3 which is $100? Yeah jump into this space and you can be like Dell and HP making increasingly cheaper and cheaper computers at less and less margin, except that one of them can always beat your best price because when they sell a device, they also sell $300 worth of content over the next couple of years. You can't beat that if you are Samsung, RIM or Sony.

Grrrr... Dont bundle Sony with Samsung and RIM. Sony have access to content. Its the 5th largest media conglomerate in the world for christs sake.
 
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