Same. If you have an Apple TV, you probably have an iOS device, which means you have access to Amazon video + Airplay = problem solved.
Non-issue in my house.
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Same. If you have an Apple TV, you probably have an iOS device, which means you have access to Amazon video + Airplay = problem solved.
Non-issue in my house.
Nice try. That's not same native iTunes Music app only available on iOS that I was referring to. But you knew that already.
Still, its an Apple Music service on Android. Still counts.... Your post said iTunes/Music. iOS doesn't have an iTunes Music app. It has an iTunes store and a Music app.
The iOS music app that natively syncs your iPhone, iPod, iPad to iTunes--better now? I'm well aware of the Apple Music streaming service app available cross-platform.
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Your original post was saying how Apple didn't have a service on Android, now you're making up exclusions arbitrarily....
If anything, the fact Apple had Apple music on Android is the perfect example, as Amazon could easily do the same with Prime Video on Apple TV, where it can only access Prime Video content, just like Amazon have for Xbox and iOS. Bezos had MASSIVELY contradicted himself.
Apple Music app on Android lets you access Music, but not buy it. Amazon Prime Video on iOS and Xbox lets you access Prime Video content but not buy video.
I just sent the following email to Jeff Bezos jeff(at)amazon(dot)com:
Dear Mr. Bezos,
I started shopping at Amazon in the 90’s. Up until recently, when friends asked me what my favorite department store was, I always answered “Amazon”. I do any shopping I can online and Amazon was a big part of that. To illustrate: My shopping total for 2015 at Amazon was $3570.23. I had already spent $1974.05 in the first four months of this year before resigning my Prime membership in April, so 2016 would have seen me spending in excess of $5000 at Amazon. But, regretfully, I have ceased all shopping at Amazon until Amazon decides to do the right thing and reverse its injudicious decision not to port the iOS Prime Video streaming app to AppleTV.
My family decided a couple of years ago to “cut the cord” on cable and just go with Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime. Between these there would be plenty of programming even if we did have to wait a year for CBS shows or a few years for HBO content. We started using a Roku. Roku proved itself unreliable since the remote failed twice and needed replacement. Rather than replace it a third time, we switched to the new AppleTV last November. We thought we would only have to wait a few weeks until Amazon ported its iOS app over to AppleTV. By April it seemed that Amazon had abandoned its customers who have chosen to use AppleTV, so I canceled Prime and ceased shopping on Amazon. Last week’s news about the silly stubborn game between Apple and Amazon only confirmed this.
Mr. Bezos, I would like to come back to Amazon when you can help your company to please put the customer first. I will not see my money going to a company that will hold back a very useful app that it could easily provide at nearly zero cost.
Although it costs me a little more hassle, I am now shopping and spending my money at places like Jet, Newegg, Rakuten, Boxed, etc. I am even finding some cheaper prices than Amazon!
Just do the right thing and port that Prime video streaming app over to AppleTV - after that I’ll “come home” to Amazon.
Regards,
Dear Mr. Bezos,
I started shopping at Amazon in the 90’s. Up until recently, when friends asked me what my favorite department store was, I always answered “Amazon”. I do any shopping I can online and Amazon was a big part of that. To illustrate: My shopping total for 2015 at Amazon was $3570.23. I had already spent $1974.05 in the first four months of this year before resigning my Prime membership in April, so 2016 would have seen me spending in excess of $5000 at Amazon. But, regretfully, I have ceased all shopping at Amazon until Amazon decides to do the right thing and reverse its injudicious decision not to port the iOS Prime Video streaming app to AppleTV.
My family decided a couple of years ago to “cut the cord” on cable and just go with Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime. Between these there would be plenty of programming even if we did have to wait a year for CBS shows or a few years for HBO content. We started using a Roku. Roku proved itself unreliable since the remote failed twice and needed replacement. Rather than replace it a third time, we switched to the new AppleTV last November. We thought we would only have to wait a few weeks until Amazon ported its iOS app over to AppleTV. By April it seemed that Amazon had abandoned its customers who have chosen to use AppleTV, so I canceled Prime and ceased shopping on Amazon. Last week’s news about the silly stubborn game between Apple and Amazon only confirmed this.
Mr. Bezos, I would like to come back to Amazon when you can help your company to please put the customer first. I will not see my money going to a company that will hold back a very useful app that it could easily provide at nearly zero cost.
Although it costs me a little more hassle, I am now shopping and spending my money at places like Jet, Newegg, Rakuten, Boxed, etc. I am even finding some cheaper prices than Amazon!
Just do the right thing and port that Prime video streaming app over to AppleTV - after that I’ll “come home” to Amazon.
Regards,
Nice.
Its just amusing that they are contradicting themselves and still people are defending them.
The defenders of Amazon still have not explained the logic of Amazon boycotting the Apple TV due to not being able to sell or rent films with potential for people to just buy from iTunes, when Amazon are content for an app on Xbox, which allows access to the free prime content, but no selling or renting films, with potential for people to just buy from Xbox Video.
Additionally, the 30% for subscriptions could be avoided by not letting the app take subscriptions. Also, Apple have demonstrated willingness to negotiate down to 15%, so again, its not necessarily 30% like people bang on about.
Or it could be argued that it's Amazon wanting to be special and not have to pay like everyone else that's stopping them. Could be either.
Amazon can easily get around the subscription issue by simply not allowing people to subscribe via the app. The iOS version doesn't have this ability, so we know this most likely isn't the issue here.
Amazon Prime Video app on the AppleTV should allow for renting and purchasing videos. Not just watching the free Prime content.
But we know Apple would want a cut of those in-app purchases, which is utter BS.
Apple is not involved in delivering the content in anyway, but their rules require in-app purchase be processed by Apple, not Amazon.
And this is most likely where the problem lies.
Amazon Prime Video app on the AppleTV should allow for renting and purchasing videos. Not just watching the free Prime content.
But we know Apple would want a cut of those in-app purchases, which is utter BS.
Apple is not involved in delivering the content in anyway, but their rules require in-app purchase be processed by Apple, not Amazon.
And this is most likely where the problem lies.
No one would bat an eyelid or lose a second of sleep if Amazon disappeared and shut down - sooner rather than later. Once Apple perfect and streamline their movie services and products, Amazon will be utterly irrelevant, and will revert to the basics of their box-shifting expertise and not much else (isn't that what they are, ANYWAY?)
Jeff Bozos.
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You forgot to include the multi-paragraph part where you describe how you hate how Amazon is inhumane to its employees, forcing them to work too hard until they are worn out from extreme exhaustion, and often forcing them to cut their lunch hours, work when they are sick, refusing them holidays, etc etc...
Jeff Bozos.
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You forgot to include the multi-paragraph part where you describe how you hate how Amazon is inhumane to its employees, forcing them to work too hard until they are worn out from extreme exhaustion, and often forcing them to cut their lunch hours, work when they are sick, refusing them holidays, etc etc...
The Xbox app doesn't allow for rental or purchases, Amazon seem fine with this. So why should the Apple TV app? The Xbox has a much larger audience than the Apple TV.
Makes for a better experience.
Fortunately my TV already comes with Amazon Video and I can rent or buy directly from there, so it doesn't matter to me if it comes to Apple TV or not.
But I can say it is a better user experience if you don't have to go go to another device to order a video.
That's probably what Amazon is looking to do.
Can't say that is the case here, but it make sense.
Saying it's a better experience is an opinion not a fact. Alot of people that have prime video only use it for the included content.
On the Xbox, people can buy other videos from the Xbox store an Amazon seem fine with that. Xbox has a bigger audience.
So why is it acceptable that the Apple TV can be treated different to you Amazon defenders? Where's the logic?
No analogy is perfect. In this case, Coca Cola is content. It would be stupid for Microsoft to provide a competitor with the platform to sell the same content they offer, without taking a cut. At the same time it would be stupid for Amazon to put a Prime-only app on the Xbox at a loss, only to make it easier for their customers to buy 'premium' content from Microsoft.
You don't need an MBA to get this.
The difference is that Xbox has a web browser. You can stay on the device, go to amazon.com and order up content to then watch in the Amazon app, rather than purchasing content from Microsoft. As with iOS devices, there's really no way to prevent that, so Amazon is willing to entice customers with the Prime loss-leader in order to get them to use their service to purchase or rent content.
Apple TV has no web browser, so purchasing or renting premium Amazon content to watch on a proposed hobbled ATV amazon app would require using a separate device for the transaction. That's too many barriers for amazon to take the loss on Prime, only to have customers use the hobbled Amazon app for Prime content and then take the easier route to iTunes for their premium content rentals and purchases.
You still don't need an MBA to get this.
Nowhere does it say on the Amazon app on the Xbox that you can buy or rent other content, so how would people know they could do that to watch on the app?
It takes less time to go into the Xbox Video so and buy it there, than mess around with a hindered browser on that device.
How is that not too many barriers already, but it is on the Apple TV??
Your point is massively flawed and doesn't support what you're saying.
You're arguing your point of view as fact, when really it's just another opinion.
You're obviously not a regular Amazon Prime video user.
Anyone who uses the app on ANY device with any regularity knows you simply go into your video library to see your purchased content.
That library is available on the XBOX app.
It would be convenient to be able to perform all actions within the app, including buying or renting videos. To argue otherwise would be obtuse.
I am using facts. Why is it not ok for an app on one device (Apple TV) to not have rental or purchases because there's too many barriers to purchase or rent and people would but from a storefront already on the device, but fine for another device (Xbox) which has just had many barriers, and its own storefront? That's a massive contradiction.
Also, have you tried using the browser on the Xbox? Its awful.
Also, as stated, nowhere on the app does it say about buying or renting to watch on it.
I'm not a regular user of Amazon Prime? Wow, then I'm imagining my subscription I've had for 3 years then.....
You really don't seem to want to acknowledge the answer to your questions, but just for sport I'll offer them up anyway.
As with anything in business, it's a numbers game. Putting down your ATV remote to get another device in order to make an Amazon purchase or rental is in fact a big deal. A huge reason for Amazon providing Prime video content is to get their customers proximate to premium content for rent or purchase. That's how loss-leaders work. O'Charlie's gives away pie on Wednesdays to get customers in the door on their traditionally slowest day, ordering entrees and drinks. If they did the math and found that they were spending more on pie than they were netting on increased Wednesday sales, there would be no more free pie.
If Amazon focus-grouped their video app to look at viewer conversions from free Prime content to paid purchases and rentals, their highest conversion rate would be on devices where rentals and purchases can be made within the same app. For devices like iPads and Xboxes where you have to switch to a browser to make amazon purchases and rentals, you would see some dropoff, but still see decent conversion numbers, because users are already interacting with the device. On the Amazon video app on iOS devices, if you search up paid content, it lets you tag the content and there's a "how do I watch this content?" link that explains about switching to the browser to make the transaction. I would be truly surprised if their Xbox app didn't have exactly the same thing.
For scenarios like the ATV, however, Amazon would see a huge drop-off in sales and rental conversions, because the user has to take their eyes off the screen, put down the remote, go to a computer or pull out a phone, turn it on, log in and whatever, make their transactions, put the computer or phone back down, pick up the remote and go back to the TV. Each additional step is a point where some number of users will disengage, get distracted or do something else, and with each additional step, the potential for revenue drops closer to and then below Amazon's costs for delivering 'free' Prime content.
This is exacerbated when the user has the option of skipping all those steps and simply using the remote already in their hand to switch from free Prime content in an Amazon app to paid premium content in iTunes, so the dropoff in Amazon's conversions is even greater.
So yeah, the browser on Xbox is quite probably terrible, but at least it's there, and potential digital content sales numbers for Xbox users is probably minuscule anyway, so the potential down-side for Amazon on the Xbox is also probably quite negligible. Not so with the Apple TV. Amazon is not going to use its loss-leader to drive customers to Apple, and Apple is not going to forgo its traditional cut of in-app sales just to also lose a percentage of their iTunes content revenue. On the ATV, because there's no browser, it's one of those options or the other, an it just isn't going to happen.
You realize there are more Xbox users than Apple TV, therefore a larger audience and, if anything, more of a loss than the Apple TV. If you think the Apple TV would have a bigger audience than Xbox 360/One, then you're massively overestimating the Apple TV.
Comparing the ability to buy/rent on the browser on iOS to the Xbox is absurd. With iOS you have a manageable keyboard. On the Xbox its ridiculous. On Xbox people will just buy/rent from Xbox video as its much quicker. You make a big point about people skipping steps on the Apple TV then downplay it for the Xbox, contradicting yourself.
Put it this way, it took me 20 minutes on the Xbox one to get to the browser, go to Amazon Prime, log on, find one thing to buy and that's not including doing the purchase. Using the browser on the Xbox is the same amount of steps, if not more steps than just getting another device out.
I found a guide video on YouTube from AMAZON THEMSELVES saying to buy from another device, which is exactly what you say they don't want people doing......
Those videos alone scupper your point, from the horses mouth. They're happy with it that way for Xbox and iOS. Both are bigger markets than the Apple TV.
Also, Xbox 360 has no browser installed by default.
Additionally, do you have any numbers for all those claims you make for 'dropoff' or 'conversions'? As it seems your point is heavily based on those.
But if you want to ignore those facts, then you win.
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For those that haven't seen it, Apple are dropping their cut of subscription fees to 15% from 30%, so those harping on about the 30% cut have half a point
Also, how its it that everyone has been banging on about Apple taking 30%, but ignored the fact that Google does the same, who are now also dropping to15% after Apple announced it......
Also, how its it that everyone has been banging on about Apple taking 30%, but ignored the fact that Google does the same, who are now also dropping to15% after Apple announced it......
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I don't know about you guys but the Amazon video player rocks on the iPad. It has PIP support, multitasking, and has information about characters, directors, and so forth on screen.
I'm still waiting for Netflix app to not stop playing when I multitask. The only unfortunate thing about Amazon video is that it has such a terrible library. It's like local library dvd collection.
I'm still waiting for Netflix app to not stop playing when I multitask. The only unfortunate thing about Amazon video is that it has such a terrible library. It's like local library dvd collection.