Plutonius
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It's for marketing the videos. They sell them as first half / second half to make more money.
Tilpots
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Not a fan of a 2+ month break. That's just too long.
You guys are bring up interesting things about if Rick was there or who wakes up first. Real tension there! Both characters can't share this group together for much longer. I hope a real choice is made by the group to choose which theory of thought wins, and not some random event that decides it...
As a father, I feel for that kid at the final moment. He's terrified and young. That's such a spot they'll be in. Nicely done by the writers.
You guys are bring up interesting things about if Rick was there or who wakes up first. Real tension there! Both characters can't share this group together for much longer. I hope a real choice is made by the group to choose which theory of thought wins, and not some random event that decides it...
As a father, I feel for that kid at the final moment. He's terrified and young. That's such a spot they'll be in. Nicely done by the writers.
mscriv
macrumors 601
I don't think the Carol/Morgan philosophy debate is fuzzy at all. Carol has proven that she is open to outsiders and additions to their group when people show that they are equally working towards survival. Additionally, the person must show a willingness to work towards what's best for the group. This means people who are willing to kill or abuse innocents have given up their right to live because they have crossed the line of self interests vs. group interests. Second chances are possible depending upon the intent and consequences related to the misstep. For example, look at Father Gabriel. He has made some unwise choices, decisions that were both self destructive and dangerous to others. However, he has never intentionally set out to murder or slaughter innocent people in the group. Carol has no use for him, but she is not actively wanting to kill him. He has been a liability, but not an opposing force or enemy that needs to be taken out.
Morgan's position is borderline pacifism in that he only wants to take violent/aggressive action in self defense and is refusing to use lethal means under any circumstances. This attitude was fine when he was by himself as his choices only affected him. However, in a group, letting a proven "enemy" (who is intent on killing or abusing you) live only allows them a second opportunity to come after you again or a future opportunity to do harm to someone else.
I don't really see a debate here when we are talking about zombie apocalypse survival ethics. Morgan can keep his "all life is precious" mentality if he wants to go back to being a nomadic loner. He's going to have to give up that view if he wants to live with a group in community.
Morgan's position is borderline pacifism in that he only wants to take violent/aggressive action in self defense and is refusing to use lethal means under any circumstances. This attitude was fine when he was by himself as his choices only affected him. However, in a group, letting a proven "enemy" (who is intent on killing or abusing you) live only allows them a second opportunity to come after you again or a future opportunity to do harm to someone else.
I don't really see a debate here when we are talking about zombie apocalypse survival ethics. Morgan can keep his "all life is precious" mentality if he wants to go back to being a nomadic loner. He's going to have to give up that view if he wants to live with a group in community.
Mac'nCheese
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I never believed that the entire town was surrounded by walkers. Walkers aren't smart enough to spread out. They are a herd and would stay together. Another confusing part was when Rick and the group was running away from the herd, they seemed to then get cut off by other walkers. Did these walkers, walk around a different block with a plan to cut them off?
mscriv
macrumors 601
Agreed. The speed of the walker's saturation of the town was the only part of the episode that I thought was a little frustrating. We've seen how large groups of walkers generally pack and bottle neck when they try to enter through a small space. The tower seemed to take out a few panels of the fence, but the fallen building itself would still be an obstacle to getting through. My thinking was that their entry into the town would be much more slow than they made it. Yes, they would certainly come in and I have no trouble believing that they would spread out as they explore the town, but the whole wall crash and then walkers are immediately on our heels in mass was too much for me. I think the folks who were standing there watching what was happening would have easily had time to get into a house before the undead were upon them.
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CaptMarvel
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AlliFlowers
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Carl is becoming a larger part of the story, and taking on some real adult situations. BUT...if he doesn't get a haircut soon I'm going to scream!
I've gone over the top. I went shopping on Clear Wednesday (that'd be the day before Thanksgiving), and purchased a katana with a pink handle. But I'm ready for the zombie apocalypse!
I've gone over the top. I went shopping on Clear Wednesday (that'd be the day before Thanksgiving), and purchased a katana with a pink handle. But I'm ready for the zombie apocalypse!
Spoilers in my post.
Great mid-season finale! This is as good as Season 1 IMO.
I agree. Morgan regained the desire to live though his dead friend and Akido. However he has allowed his value of preserving life (when possible) to get into the way of survival morality with clearly a dangerous individual who has no issue with murdering for his own advantage. However Carol was off base because what she did, attacking Morgan also put them at risk, enabling the bad guy. My biggest objection to character choices was when the girls turned over their guns to him. That was completely contrary to good judgement. With the guns, all 6 of them could have easily ended up dead at his hand.
Great mid-season finale! This is as good as Season 1 IMO.
I agree. Morgan regained the desire to live though his dead friend and Akido. However he has allowed his value of preserving life (when possible) to get into the way of survival morality with clearly a dangerous individual who has no issue with murdering for his own advantage. However Carol was off base because what she did, attacking Morgan also put them at risk, enabling the bad guy. My biggest objection to character choices was when the girls turned over their guns to him. That was completely contrary to good judgement. With the guns, all 6 of them could have easily ended up dead at his hand.
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CaptMarvel
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rhett7660
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Mac'nCheese
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You are talking about a character that when two walkers were coming at him he just froze and had to be saved after already having his "I need to step up and be brave" episode last season.
Tilpots
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I think you guys are taking Carol's side a bit too quickly. What's seperating her from the Governor's or Negan's of the world if she kills indiscriminately? Carol not only murdered a member of the group, she was banned for it, then murdered little "Look at the Flowers" Lizzy. Desperate measures for desperate times, but there's a pattern here. Didn't she miser her husband, too?
In America today, we're much more closely aligned with Morgan's philosophy. He's striving for justice and rehabilitation, things a society needs to survive. I think this is the struggle the writers are trying to portray and I find it very fascinating.
Not saying either is right or wrong for the times they're living, just a very interesting argument...
Now, look at the flowers... 😀😀😀
In America today, we're much more closely aligned with Morgan's philosophy. He's striving for justice and rehabilitation, things a society needs to survive. I think this is the struggle the writers are trying to portray and I find it very fascinating.
Not saying either is right or wrong for the times they're living, just a very interesting argument...
Now, look at the flowers... 😀😀😀
Sounds like the implication there was to have them drop their weapons (and as part of it the desire to take the guns in particular).
CaptMarvel
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I thought maybe, just maybe Eugene would have another act of heroism. I mean it was just not too long he finally grew a pair on the supplies run when Tara sustained her head injury, but I guess they evaporated. Sure the Wolf may be more intimidating than a walker but even outside the garage, someone saved his hide again while he's standing there like a deer in headlights. At this rate, he won't last much longer.
Don't worry though, he makes it to the end of season 6, or at least the second to last episode 😱
Well, the Wolf did have a hostage, even the most heroic would generally hesitate to do something and often comply not to risk killing or damaging a hostage.
I agreed with Carol's rational but not her method or her timing due to what was going on in the compound. Her priorities were screwed up. Morgan put too much emphasis on "life" knowing the personal change he had made, thinking he could instill this with the Wolf, a long process with no guarantee of success. However he put their nurse in jeopardy by allowing her into his cell alone. Ultimate blame goes on Carol who put them in the most risk, more so than Morgan ever did.
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balamw
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Eugene is a key community member in the upcoming volumes of the comic book. I hope he survives!
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CaptMarvel
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Did you also agree with her rational of the ill at the prison?
I know Carol cares for the group, but her methods are most extreme yet are they required? Could it be a case of her protecting her best interests and making them as the groups? I don't think Carol is that cynical, but sometimes I wonder.
Don't get me wrong, what Morgan did is risky BUT is it that risky because the Alexandrians are a weak and untrained people or because of the brutality the Wolves? Rick's people alone can handle the Wolves (or at least we assume they would) but now they have to protect the Alexandrians.
If anything, for saving Rick and crew at Terminus, this is her Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card. But I don't think Carol can keep being judge, jury and sherriff.
Even after arriving at Alexandria, it seemed as if Michonne was starting to have a different mindset that gun ho Rick.
Morgan & Michonne + Rick + Carol love story, happily together forever the end?! 😱 Ha.
It might have been pragmatic, but it was harsh and she should of met with the others and reached consensus before taking matters into her own hands.
CaptMarvel
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To all of the zombie loving cronies in this thread...
1) I miss you guys and gals...February isn't too far off! 😱 I can't wait to resume our weekly discussions!
2) Happy Holidays to each and every one of you TWD/FTWD/zombie lovers out there. May you and your families be blessed during this holiday season!
1) I miss you guys and gals...February isn't too far off! 😱 I can't wait to resume our weekly discussions!
2) Happy Holidays to each and every one of you TWD/FTWD/zombie lovers out there. May you and your families be blessed during this holiday season!
rhett7660
macrumors G5
Are sugar plum zombies dancing in your head? 😀 Merry Christmas!
Hahaha.... Love the picture and how fitting!