AMD Details Radeon Pro Graphics in New 15-inch MacBook Pro Models

[yillbs]

Non existent Kaby lake processors...?

Apparently you are less informed than you think. Intel DOES have Kaby lake processors on the market right now and they would have been perfect for the MacBook line.

So please, go away with your snide and ignorant remarks.

Dude,... are you kidding lol You think the non-mobile variants of a CPU that doesn't exist would be perfect for apple?

 

[Rockadile]

Dude, Apple failed me.

This was such a hard decision because of the fact that I prefer macOS, but I can't support what I see as gouging. If I could easily install macOS on a custom built machine, holy crap would that be heaven. Wouldn't you love that? The most powerful components running with macOS.

I would begrudgingly be spending $3000 on a computer that doesn't even excite me. I don't doubt that I would enjoy using the new MBP, but the asking price is too much compared to what you get in terms of power, which I need and want. Like yeah, I do want to play games on my machine aside from the development and creative work I do.

Apple is the one that's forced me to leave macOS and it sucks so much.

My cMP and GTX 980 is nice. Yeah someone like you should go that route.

 

[\-V-/]

He read it. Clearly you didn't understand it. "Since there are third-world countries... we shouldn't have nice things"... really? That was the point?
Wow.

Did YOU even read what you wrote?

 

[Floris]

I am wondering why Apple hasn't been able to strike a deal with nVidia, which seems to be working pretty well with Microsoft products lately. Smells #exclusive

 

[Steve.P.JobsFan]

No GTX 1000 series? Wow, that SUCKS.

Razer's new Blade Pro is almost in similar pricing territory, while having DESKTOP-grade GPUs (GTX 1080) and CPUs (i7-6700HQ, IIRC) in them.

I love Apple, but I really don't like paying big bucks and getting outdated hardware. We have moved on to better graphics and DDR4. I'll give them a pass on not shipping Kaby Lake silicon as I don't think Intel is even shipping MBP suitable chips until 2017. Don't even get me started on the FaceTime camera. It isn't 12" MacBook bad, but 1080p should be standard in 2016.

 

[Idolum]

Mac OS can actually manage it's ram usage quite well.

Yes - and OS X does it with virtual memory (hard drive).

 

[greyosx]

You don't buy a MacBook for " raw power " you buy it for finesse. you do have the latest and greatest technology. It's an ultrabook with a dedicated GPU, 16GB of ram, and the latest generation Quad-core I7.. what more do you want from an ultrabook?

When I bought a MBP in 2010, it wasn't an ultrabook. I want a device that lives up to the Pro name. I don't want a professional device that sacrifices performance for thinner and lighter.

Edit: If I felt the new MBP was priced appropriately, I wouldn't have an issue. But $3K is too much for what I want out of it.

Presumably now that Apple failed you and you will by an awesome 8lb Razer you will stop hanging around here complaining about it, right?

Jesus, you are so sad. Do you think creative professionals haven't been forced to leave Apple because of their underpowered hardware? And no way, I plan on building my own desktop PC once I can cancel my MBP order but the Razer does look nice and powerful for a laptop.

 

[\-V-/]

I agree with this:

So you agree with something stupid? Gotcha.

 

[yillbs]

No GTX 1000 series? Wow, that SUCKS.

Razer's new Blade Pro is something like $1000 LESS, while having DESKTOP-grade GPUs (GTX 1080) and CPUs (i7-6700HQ, IIRC) in them.

I love Apple, but I really don't like paying $1000 more for an Apple logo and getting outdated hardware. We have moved on to better graphics and DDR4. Don't even get me started on the FaceTime camera. It isn't 12" MacBook bad, but 1080p should be standard in 2016.

you buy a razer to game, you buy a mac to be productive. What games would you be wanting to crank out on your 1080 in a mac, enlighten me. you want 10 hours of battery, and you want a GPU that would literally allow you about 35 minutes of usage. But again, what games are going to take advantage of this CPU on a mac.

 

[Ilhan The Man]

So you agree with something stupid? Gotcha.

Calling something stupid isn't an argument.

 

[yillbs]

When I bought a MBP in 2010, it wasn't an ultrabook. I want a device that lives up to the Pro name. I don't want a professional device that sacrifices performance for thinner and lighter.


Jesus, you are so sad. Do you think creative professionals haven't been forced to leave Apple because of their underpowered hardware? And no way, I plan on building my own desktop PC once I can cancel my MBP order but the Razer does look nice and powerful for a laptop.

you answered your own question man :\ , you don't want what it's become..... so go buy something you do :\

 

[\-V-/]

Calling something stupid isn't an argument.

I already responded to it. You pointing at it and saying you agree isn't an argument either. And I also welcome you to my ignore list.

 

[AxoNeuron]

Dude,... are you kidding lol You think the non-mobile variants of a CPU that doesn't exist would be perfect for apple?

You do realize that these supposedly "non-existent" processors are already powering Dell XPS 13 laptops? It's called the i7-7y75 and it would have been great for a MacBook.

How about before vomitting out another post you do a few seconds of googling?

 

[Ilhan The Man]

I think that in a free market economy, no company owes you anything. You don't have to buy anything. If you're locked in, that's your own fault. Stop complaining and take some responsibility for creating your own happiness. Whining on a forum isn't helping you and your life or anyone else in theirs.

 

[Feenician]

Non existent Kaby lake processors...?

Apparently you are less informed than you think. Intel DOES have Kaby lake processors on the market right now and they would have been perfect for the MacBook line. Notice, I said MacBooks, not MacBook Pro's. Got any reading comprehension?

So please, go away with your snide and ignorant remarks.

You'll still be here years from now whinging about Apple and Macs that your apparently don't want.

 

[kevinkyoo]

You do realize that these supposedly "non-existent" processors are already powering Dell XPS 13 laptops? It's called the i7-7y75 and it would have been great for a MacBook.

How about before vomitting out another post you do a few seconds of googling?

Please don't bother commenting on any of his posts. He thinks that an integrated graphics card is good enough for the MBP, and thinks that a $200 price hike is justified to go from a 455 to a 460.

 

[Steve.P.JobsFan]

you buy a razer to game, you buy a mac to be productive. What games would you be wanting to crank out on your 1080 in a mac, enlighten me. you want 10 hours of battery, and you want a GPU that would literally allow you about 35 minutes of usage. But again, what games are going to take advantage of this CPU on a mac.

I didn't say gaming. There are people who buy Razer computers and use them for everything BUT gaming. I own a Razer mouse... I haven't touched Steam in two years. You can buy a product and not be its target market, ya'know.

My point is compute power. GTX 1080 blows these AMD cards out to the next galaxy and consume similar amounts of power. NVIDIA has been flat-out killing AMD in graphics for quite some time now.

What about Adobe users? They can't use CUDA cores to render their work now, they're forced to use OpenCL on AMD cards and wait for eons compared to a GTX card.

 

[JordanNZ]

You do realize that these supposedly "non-existent" processors are already powering Dell XPS 13 laptops? It's called the i7-7y75 and it would have been great for a MacBook.

How about before vomitting out another post you do a few seconds of googling?

Wrong range of processors... will be slower than what apple is using now.

 

[\-V-/]

you buy a razer to game, you buy a mac to be productive. What games would you be wanting to crank out on your 1080 in a mac, enlighten me. you want 10 hours of battery, and you want a GPU that would literally allow you about 35 minutes of usage. But again, what games are going to take advantage of this CPU on a mac.

You mean the 10 series GPUs that are some of the most power efficient GPUs to come out in maybe ever? Those ones? Yeah? Also why is a more powerful GPU not related to being productive? Have you ever actually used a GPU for productivity before or are you just talking out of your nether region? There aren't any laptops with the 1080 getting 35 minutes of usage, which is a terribly exaggerated time frame that shows you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Honestly the reasons some of you people are giving for defending this piss poor GPU is astounding. "Well the crappy garbage can lowest common denominator bottom of the barrel GPU is for people that want to be productive" ... this unbelievable.

I didn't say gaming. There are people who buy Razer computers and use them for everything BUT gaming.

Exactly. Good grief. As an example, Adobe products will use however many CUDA cores you can throw at them.

 

[kevinkyoo]

I didn't say gaming. There are people who buy Razer computers and use them for everything BUT gaming. I own a Razer mouse... I haven't touched Steam in two years.

My point is compute power. GTX 1080 blows these AMD cards out to the next galaxy and consume similar amounts of power. NVIDIA has been flat-out killing AMD in graphics for quite some time now.

What about Adobe users? They can't use CUDA cores to render their work now, they're forced to use OpenCL on AMD cards and wait for eons compared to a GTX card.

Yup. Have a 1080 on my PC and love the rendering times. Tried my friend's 480 and tried to render the same video... Nope.

 

[thecombatwombat]

You seem (by the underline) to be trying to correct me by making my original point. I'm not saying they didn't choose to, of course they did. That's the whole point. The same basic range of parts have been on the market for decades, and they always make the same choice. There is no surprise here. They are not going to use a 75 watt GPU in a notebook.

Ranting about the particular parts out this year is no great revelation. The story this gen, as you pointed out, is much the same as last gen, and the gen before that, and before that, and . . . Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Yet the old MBP was not able to even draw sufficient power to run the CPU and GPU at full power.

The 85-watt power adaptor is hardly adequate and limits the consumption to around 90 watts – which means that the MacBook cannot maintain the maximum clock for the CPU and the GPU simultaneously, even when the temperatures are very low — http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Mid-2015-Review.144402.0.html
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Apple chose to put in an insufficient power supply on their pro laptop, even though an increase of 5-10 watts would have been sufficient. No one expects [or should] a 1080m in a 15 inch laptop. But we are getting a GPU which is comparable to a 965m, when thin 14 inch laptops like Aorus X3, AERO 14, GS40, and a few others were using a 970m last year. Now they use the 1060 which gives 2x-3x more performance than that, which is already faster than the 965m/460.

But even that misses the point. If Apple could put a magical 1060 in and still make it thin and cool, but need 5-10 more watts, they would not choose to do so. They choose to "depower" the hardware in favour of thinness.

 

[JordanNZ]

I didn't say gaming. There are people who buy Razer computers and use them for everything BUT gaming. I own a Razer mouse... I haven't touched Steam in two years. You can buy a product and not be its target market, ya'know.

My point is compute power. GTX 1080 blows these AMD cards out to the next galaxy and consume similar amounts of power. NVIDIA has been flat-out killing AMD in graphics for quite some time now.

What about Adobe users? They can't use CUDA cores to render their work now, they're forced to use OpenCL on AMD cards and wait for eons compared to a GTX card.

A GTX 1080 uses a hell of a lot more power than 35 watts!

 

[Feenician]

You do realize that these supposedly "non-existent" processors are already powering Dell XPS 13 laptops? It's called the i7-7y75 and it would have been great for a MacBook.

How about before vomitting out another post you do a few seconds of googling?

That's a 4.5w processor, released in Q3 2016 (source: http://ark.intel.com/products/95441/Intel-Core-i7-7Y75-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz). The MacBook, the only machine it's suitable for was updated in April. Do you seriously expect Apple to roll out a new machine every time Intel manages to trundle out another barely different piece of silicon with the same IPC as the last one? Do you think that's a viable business strategy?

 

[greyosx]

you answered your own question man :\ , you don't want what it's become..... so go buy something you do :\

What? I never asked a question? And I specifically said I was going to be building a custom desktop. I want to continue using macOS but Apple isn't giving me any good options to stick around. The continued use of macOS is literally the reason I ordered the new Macbook Pro earlier today which I'm now going to cancel when I can because I can't accept that price for what I'm getting.

 

[kevinkyoo]

I think that in a free market economy, no company owes you anything. You don't have to buy anything. If you're locked in, that's your own fault. Stop complaining and take some responsibility for creating your own happiness. Whining on a forum isn't helping you and your life or anyone else in theirs.

You... Do realize that companies can listen to customers, right? That's what's called an actual customer-company relationship. Company releases hardware, customer gives feedback. Company revises product, releases to customer, hoping that the current customers are satisfied, and new ones will come in because of existing customers' positive feedback, as well as the glowing reviews of the item in general.

I find it funny that it is during the release of these very strange Apple products (MacBook, and now the MacBook Pro) that you will always have these people say the same thing - "Apple doesn't owe you anything!" Well, unfortunately a lot of people rely on Apple's laptops and desktops for their workflow. And being nipped in the behind by these ridiculous premiums, very mediocre specs, and no desktops - I say that these people who use these computers for a living, DO have a right to be frustrated.

And how they vent their frustration, that's up to them. Calling/reaching out to Apple is one obvious, but it's clear after today that Apple doesn't really care about the actual pro market. So venting with other people who share the same sentiment is another option.

It's clear from your tag that you're new to this forum, and the idea of forums in general. If you're mad that people are complaining about the mediocre event, sorry.