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AMD Details Radeon Pro Graphics in New 15-inch MacBook Pro Models

JordanNZ said:
A GTX 1080 uses a hell of a lot more power than 35 watts!
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Requires a 250W PSU, which honestly isn't much at all and can be done in relatively thin laptops like the Razer Blade. The PSU in the MBP isn't even powerful enough to get the full potential of its own hardware. They've gimped their own hardware with their pursuit of thinness.
 
JordanNZ said:
A GTX 1080 uses a hell of a lot more power than 35 watts!
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Substitute the 8 for a 7 or 6. 1000-series is the term I should have used.

Regardless of if it's a 1080 or 1060, it still blows the heck out of the dogcrap AMD is shipping for creative work and rendering. I would rather hurt myself than wait for an OpenCL render over a CUDA render.
 
thecombatwombat said:
You seem (by the underline) to be trying to correct me by making my original point. I'm not saying they didn't choose to, of course they did. That's the whole point. The same basic range of parts have been on the market for decades, and they always make the same choice. There is no surprise here. They are not going to use a 75 watt GPU in a notebook.

Ranting about the particular parts out this year is no great revelation. The story this gen, as you pointed out, is much the same as last gen, and the gen before that, and before that, and . . . Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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Oh no, I was not correcting you, I was supporting and building off your comment. The underline is for emphasis. Their direction is clear, as you point out. It's a conscious, decade-long marketing strategy. The question is how far will they take it?
 
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You mean the 10 series GPUs that are some of the most power efficient GPUs to come out in maybe ever? Those ones? Yeah? Also, why is a more powerful GPU not related to being productive? Have you ever actually used a GPU for productivity before or are you just talking out of your nether region? There aren't any laptops with the 1080 getting 35 minutes of usage, which is a terribly exaggerated time frame that shows you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Honestly, the reasons some of you people are giving for defending this piss poor GPU is astounding. "Well, the crappy garbage can lowest common denominator bottom of the barrel GPU is for people that want to be productive" ... this unbelievable.


Exactly. Good grief. As an example, Adobe products will use however many CUDA cores you can throw at them.
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No, I have an Alienware with a 908M and an external GPU with a 1080 in it, I'm quite capable of understanding how they function, and what they do. Obviously, 35 minutes of usage is an overstatement, look at the battery size in the new MacBooks, they have been cut down by about 25%... my point was they aren't needed. I'm a web developer, and I edit videos and movies on the side as a hobby, I'm quite equipped to handle that. In the same breath though, it's not needed. you guys are failing to see the biggest tell here... Apple can get away with charging anything, if they thought a 1080 was viable, they would have stuck it in, and then told us it was a 1k add on, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PAID THAT, apple loves money, period. The 1080 isn't going into a MacBook that's smaller than a MacBook air, just not happening. Comparing the razer to the MacBook is not ideal, and can't be done. The 1080 may very well be the most efficient DESKTOP card that's been released, that's to be expected. It does not hold a candle to any of the other more mobile oriented. Not to mention, at idle, the 1080 is at 180W, that's the most efficient power to watt usage.. but it's still not ready for ULTRA portably's not by a long long long mile. your argument is futile.
 
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yillbs said:
No, I have an Alienware with a 908M and an external GPU with a 1080 in it, I'm quite capable of understanding how they function, and what they do. Obviously, 35 minutes of usage is an overstatement, look at the battery size in the new MacBooks, they have been cut down by about 25%... my point was they aren't needed. I'm a web developer, and I edit videos and movies on the side as a hobby, I'm quite equipped to handle that. In the same breath though, it's not needed. you guys are failing to see the biggest tell here... Apple can get away with charging anything, if they thought a 1080 was viable, they would have stuck it in, and then told us it was a 1k add on, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE PAID THAT, apple loves money, period. The 1080 isn't going into a MacBook that's smaller than a MacBook air, just not happening. Comparing the razer to the MacBook is not ideal, and can't be done. The 1080 may very well be the most efficient DESKTOP card that's been released, that's to be expected. It does not hold a candle to any of the other more mobile oriented. Not to mention, at idle, the 1080 is at 180W, that's the most efficient power to watt usage.. but it's still not ready for ULTRA portably's not by a long long long mile. your argument is futile.
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I literally have no idea what point you're trying to make. If you're well-equipped to respond, why are you coming to such ridiculous conclusions and assumptions about what people actually need? You don't speak for everyone's needs ... clearly.

but it's still not ready for ULTRA portably's not by a long long long mile. your argument is futile.
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Not ready how? It's in the Razer Blade. And the MacBook Pro is not an ultra portable, although they are trying their hardest to make it one ... probably to the point that they'll no longer be able to put a dGPU in it at all.

Honest question. What do you have against people that actually need more power? The more powerful GPU doesn't need to be a base option. But it SHOULD be an upgrade option for those that want it. If you want more battery, get a less power hungry card. You care more about power on the go? Get the upgrade. We shouldn't be limited by our options by not having any options at all. If you can't understand that, then I'm done with this conversation.
 
greglo said:
Oh no, I was not correcting you, I was supporting and building off your comment. The underline is for emphasis. Their direction is clear, as you point out. It's a conscious, decade-long marketing strategy. The question is how far will they take it?
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Ha, my apologies. Clearly my flame-war radar is in need of re-calibration.
 
This is some ********.
Why do we always have to have crap entry level GPUs in our Macs when there are notebooks that cost roughly the same with full blown high end graphics that are orders of magnitude faster? (This is somewhat mitigated by the inclusion of Thunderbolt 3)
Why can't I have four cores in a 13" MacBook? What if I don't care if I can "only" get 6hrs of battery life out of my compact quad core machine?
This new MacBook is anything but "Pro".
 
kevinkyoo said:
You... Do realize that companies can listen to customers, right? That's what's called an actual customer-company relationship. Company releases hardware, customer gives feedback. Company revises product, releases to customer, hoping that the current customers are satisfied, and new ones will come in because of existing customers' positive feedback, as well as the glowing reviews of the item in general.

I find it funny that it is during the release of these very strange Apple products (MacBook, and now the MacBook Pro) that you will always have these people say the same thing - "Apple doesn't owe you anything!" Well, unfortunately a lot of people rely on Apple's laptops and desktops for their workflow. And being nipped in the behind by these ridiculous premiums, very mediocre specs, and no desktops - I say that these people who use these computers for a living, DO have a right to be frustrated.

And how they vent their frustration, that's up to them. Calling/reaching out to Apple is one obvious, but it's clear after today that Apple doesn't really care about the actual pro market. So venting with other people who share the same sentiment is another option.

It's clear from your tag that you're new to this forum, and the idea of forums in general. If you're mad that people are complaining about the mediocre event, sorry.
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Seriously, if we want macOS, we're stuck with Apple hardware. Sorry for wanting better internals that meet our needs?
 
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But it SHOULD be an upgrade option for those that want it. If you want more battery, get a less power hungry card. You care more about power on the go? Get the upgrade. We shouldn't be limited by our options by not having any options at all. If you can't understand that, then I'm done with this conversation.
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Welcome to capitalism. You pays your money you takes your choice. Choice being the operative word.
 
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I have to admit, I'm a bit saddened. I was hoping that this machine would have been capable of doing VR work. But, Apples seems to not want to go down that road. I bought an iMac to replace my PC and have loved my iMac...I've got iPads, iPhones, AppleTVs, airport expresses/basestations, even an apple watch. But I don't think I'll be buying a MacBook Pro, as MUCH as I have been hoping to. Why couldn't they have gone with the nVidia 1080???

Guess I'll go look over at the Asus Zen site and see what kind of video card they offer.
 
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I'm sorry but this is truly pathetic. They only offer up to the 460 in even the top end MacBook Pro. Where's the 470 or even 480? You can spend nearly 5 grand after tax on the maxed out MacBook Pro and you're getting an AMD 460 and 16 GB of DDR3 RAM. Please tell me how Apple is not trying to rob everyone blind? Prices haven't been this absurd in a very long time.
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You're not getting a 460. You're getting a *mobile* 460! Even worse!
 
Queen6 said:
You are aware that you can set the KB to what ever colour you want including white, just a thought, nor am I in the market for one...

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At least two people pointed it out and I acknowledged it so, yes. I would really like to see the comments here if Apple put such a feature on a MacBook Pro "OMG Fire timmy! Coloured Keyboards! They've truly abandoned the professional. Watch straps. Courage. You're coloring it wrong" etc. etc.
 
iBighouse said:
I have to admit, I'm a bit saddened. I was hoping that this machine would have been capable of doing VR work. But, Apples seems to not want to go down that road. I bought an iMac to replace my PC and have loved my iMac...I've got iPads, iPhones, AppleTVs, airport expresses/basestations, even an apple watch. But I don't think I'll be buying a MacBook Pro, as MUCH as I have been hoping to. Why couldn't they have gone with the nVidia 1050???

Guess I'll go look over at the Asus Zen site and see what kind of video card they offer.
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The thing is though, even if the MacBook Pro had VR capable hardware, there is no VR platform that supports the Mac. Even if Apple had included some RX 480 or even a Fury equivalent, there'd still be no VR support unless you were running Windows - and at that point you should just buy or build a Windows machine (which is what I did).

Maybe if Apple had gone with the mobile 1080 or 1070 there'd be a realistic chance Valve or Oculus would bring VR to the macOS platform.
 
Feenician said:
That's a 4.5w processor, released in Q3 2016 (source: http://ark.intel.com/products/95441/Intel-Core-i7-7Y75-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz). The MacBook, the only machine it's suitable for was updated in April. Do you seriously expect Apple to roll out a new machine every time Intel manages to trundle out another barely different piece of silicon with the same IPC as the last one? Do you think that's a viable business strategy?
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And now that you've actually realized what I was talking about the entire time.......

It's not that difficult, the IC layout is largely the same so integration wouldn't have been very difficult for Apple to manage, and Kaby Lake does offer power savings and some other advancements such as improved graphics and higher clock speeds.

So yes, there have been improvements, even if they aren't the 2X improvements we yearn for from the Moore's Law days. I think the improvements in Kaby Lake did warrant its inclusion in a MacBook refresh.
 
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What's worse is there's also a 450 option.
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I don't even know what a 450 is! It's like they made an especially weak Polaris chip just for Apple!

Now honestly all Apple cares about on their laptops is the ability to support "Retina" resolution 5K/4K displays and to render in Final Cut adequately... so if this mobile 460 is anything like the RX 460, it may be a decent GPU. But it still means merely OK gaming. And no VR.
 
i dont get how you guys can compare macs to PC and even think about buying a pc after watching the disappointing mac event. like youre switching to an entirely new OS.
 
AxoNeuron said:
And now that you've actually realized what I was talking about the entire time.......

It's not that difficult, the IC layout is largely the same so integration wouldn't have been very difficult for Apple to manage, and Kaby Lake does offer power savings and some other advancements such as improved graphics and higher clock speeds.

So yes, there have been improvements, even if they aren't the 2X improvements we yearn for from the Moore's Law days. I think the improvements in Kaby Lake did warrant its inclusion in a MacBook refresh.
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They could have put the 15w in the low end rMBP (the MacBook Air in rMBP clothing) on this release cycle too but that definitely didn't make much sense with only Skylake being available to the higher end ones. They might update the MacBook to Kaby around April next year and my guess is that all the MacBook Pros will get Kaby at the same time late next year.

Apple are not desperate $40 per unit PC OEM's hoping to scrape another few units out with a "7TH GENERATION INTEL CORE PROCESSOR" poster at Best Buy as soon as they possibly can for differentiation. I am currently contracting at such a vendor and the the actual margins, not the ones they declare, are toe curling. They only stay in business by jamming the things with "trial" software.
 
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WestonHarvey1 said:
I don't even know what a 450 is! It's like they made an especially weak Polaris chip just for Apple!

Now honestly all Apple cares about on their laptops is the ability to support "Retina" resolution 5K/4K displays and to render in Final Cut adequately... so if this mobile 460 is anything like the RX 460, it may be a decent GPU. But it still means merely OK gaming. And no VR.
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It's Polaris 11.
I can't believe no one is focusing on how power efficient these chips are. It's quite impressive.
 
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